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Bendigo FL discussion 2023

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Saintsone said:
Good on Birchip. They wouldn’t have a team if they didn’t pay players. Not sure what people expect them to do. A footy club is the life of the town so they need to do whatever it takes to keep it alive.
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Not having a crack at all, just highlighting how, I’m my opinion, Bendigo based sides are more bound to the constraints of the salary cap. The lure of more money, relaxed environment and playing a lower level is what sees so many good players heading out to district leagues.
 
Trent the flight Steward said:
Where do the majority of ex afl players go forrest? Metro or amateurs as they've got more points and Money, and where do young guys go for work or uni melbourne, why travel 5 hours a week when you can get paid more and not travel?
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Prior to the points system, many were ending up in the EDFL or at Deer Park etc.
Those clubs may be able to work around the cap but they can't fudge the points system and they're no longer landing the numbers of Ex-AFL players that they once were.
Clubs like Uni Blues & Bundoora are getting some decent names but so too are Wangaratta and Yarrawonga.
 

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Trent the flight Steward said:
Where do the majority of ex afl players go forrest? Metro or amateurs as they've got more points and Money, and where do young guys go for work or uni melbourne, why travel 5 hours a week when you can get paid more and not travel?
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Yeah I get that part, my question is more are any Bendigo clubs actually attracting these players in a meaningful way, but can’t fit them in, or are they just not interested in leaving the city?
Saintsone said:
A footy club is the life of the town so they need to do whatever it takes to keep it alive.
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I think this is becoming a huge misnomer. Certainly used to be the case but as the world changes more and more there are less and less people in the country who give a rats about local footy.

silver55 said:
Not having a crack at all, just highlighting how, I’m my opinion, Bendigo based sides are more bound to the constraints of the salary cap. The lure of more money, relaxed environment and playing a lower level is what sees so many good players heading out to district leagues.
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I don’t agree cash is a huge issue. I know what the top clubs in Bendigo were paying 10 years ago and if they are now in line with the cap they have had to cut by more than 50%. There is no way that has happened.
I’d confidently have everyone in the league over the cap in some amount, bar Castlemaine, Maryborough and maybe Kangaroo Flat.
I still maintain the key reason good players go to district leagues is because it’s easier and there is no incentive to play the higher standard.
 
mjhen3 said:
One issue all country leagues need to push back on is the player points allocations to metro clubs.

Most country leagues have a graded points system whereby the wooden spooner is allocated the maximum 46 (or thereabouts) and it’s a decreasing sliding scale from there with the premier around 38 points.

In the city every club has the maximum 46 points regardless of what division they play in, their league and their ladder position from the season prior.

It means each and every metro club has a structural advantage in recruiting from country clubs.

It’s hard enough to get contend with the population shift from the country to the city as kids finish school and go to uni or chase work. It’s considerably harder to get these kids to travel back when every club in Melbourne has extra points to use trying to recruit them.

If the same system was adopted state wide it’d mean a lot of metro clubs would be one or two new recruits short in their points budgets. Extrapolate those numbers out across every league in Melbourne and all of a sudden there’s a hell of a lot more players travelling home of a weekend to play at their original clubs.
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Nail on the head - all well and good to have a scaled points system in your comp but all leagues should be on the same playing field with the PPS at a minimum, premiers in regional comps have 8-10 less points than those in metro comps.

Our kids go to Melb for uni & get offered more money to play in metro comps than what we can offer and that's without having to travel back on top of it. Once you lose one out of a group of mates coming back from the city, you're likely to lose at least one more with him. We lose a couple of 1 point players and have to replace them with a 3 point player and all of a sudden we're pushing the points cap or replacing them with guys who just aren't up to it and the standard of the comp suffers. Understand some people think that the last point is what is supposed to happen - that you're meant to replace these guys with other locals and you drop down the ladder for a bit and it evens your competition up a little but in this scenario country footy just gets worse compared to metro footy.
 
The issues around points and salary caps and getting around them along with the increasing advantages to metropolitan leagues is best personified by the following,

  • former high profile AFL players ending up in the Amateurs with all sorts of incentives including scholarships for their children, jobs, cars and house renovations.
  • the recent signing of Luke Dunstan straight off the AFL list at Melbourne to South Belgrave FNC in the division one of the Eastern league. This is not even the top division and at a club that lost 1 game for the season, the grand final. What he is receiving is a very nice package.
  • the mass movement of a coach and his merry band of followers from Powelltown in the Outer East FNL (after winning the premiership) to Coldstream in the Eastern league with all sorts of incentives offered. 1 player will have played at 3 clubs in the previous 12 months due to following the money and incentives on offer.

The system is broken and avoided through offering all sorts of perks and incentives. Players get well looked after, don’t return to their original country clubs and can stay close to home with better remuneration than what their original club can offer.
 
Forest St End said:
Is that by choice or necessity?
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By choice, have been told by people there that they have enough cash sitting around to go well over but don’t want to run the risk or create an an environment that is driven by money. I see both sides, you want blokes to be at the club becuase they love the colours but at the same time it seems spending big is the quicker way to success. Although I highly doubt square spent overs this season, they are a great club
 
South have no money, they have no following







I did see princeton in the wartnmbool district league, played the Whole season, no payments, missed finals by a point, yet by doing this, the club might survive longer by building the community behind it
 
I don't think Christian Carter's sees his termination as 'well handled' as some of the comments on this forum have indicated.

According to the Advertiser Carter was told of the decision while on a holiday, so not face to face, and his comments in the Addy were:

'I'm especially disappointed with the fact that they (Golden Square FNC) were unable to give me any feedback on why the decision was made".

Staying on the subject of Square, the same article covers players who have resigned and also new recruits, but mentions Joel Brett and Liam Duguid are contemplating their future with the club. Square would be very keen to keep Brett in particular. He was their finals match winner and would be very difficult to replace.

Stats you have an ear to the ground in these circles. Are you aware of a club seriously chasing Brett? Also I notice no announcements about Andy Collins going to Bridgewater have been forthcoming. I wonder if he is considering a final year at Sandhurst and having once last crack at a premiership with them, or possibly just retiring. Again are you aware of any whispers as to his future?
 
Trent the flight Steward said:
South have no money, they have no following







I did see princeton in the wartnmbool district league, played the Whole season, no payments, missed finals by a point, yet by doing this, the club might survive longer by building the community behind it
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Princetown folded over 25 years ago. Didn’t end well for them due to dwindling population and no way of recruiting other players once the current players left.
 
silver55 said:
By choice, have been told by people there that they have enough cash sitting around to go well over but don’t want to run the risk or create an an environment that is driven by money. I see both sides, you want blokes to be at the club becuase they love the colours but at the same time it seems spending big is the quicker way to success. Although I highly doubt square spent overs this season, they are a great club
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Did they pay players in the last round?
 

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Trent the flight Steward said:
If I was carter I'd be bitterly disappointed, but I'd also would have seen the writing on the wall, after been asked to reapply for the position, should have been handled better, why make a guy reapply, show him a bit of dignity, especially with he's playing record at square
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I’ll defend Square on this one because it is basically exactly the same scenario as Castlemaine last year. (Minus the premiership).

It’s a lot like a divorce, the only people who really know the truth of the relationship are the two in it and what it appears from outside can be far from the case.

Golden Square is in a difficult position because for whatever flaws the bloke has he is still a person who has a great history with the club and therefore they don’t want to trash him in public and will never tell the truth.

The outgoing coach on the other hand is hurt and embarrassed and has more freedom to speak his version of events.

Much like a divorce I look at it as there must be reasons for this to take place and I’m sure it wasn’t done lightly, but as outsiders we will never really know why.
 
AlburyE said:
I don't think Christian Carter's sees his termination as 'well handled' as some of the comments on this forum have indicated.

According to the Advertiser Carter was told of the decision while on a holiday, so not face to face, and his comments in the Addy were:

'I'm especially disappointed with the fact that they (Golden Square FNC) were unable to give me any feedback on why the decision was made".

Staying on the subject of Square, the same article covers players who have resigned and also new recruits, but mentions Joel Brett and Liam Duguid are contemplating their future with the club. Square would be very keen to keep Brett in particular. He was their finals match winner and would be very difficult to replace.

Stats you have an ear to the ground in these circles. Are you aware of a club seriously chasing Brett? Also I notice no announcements about Andy Collins going to Bridgewater have been forthcoming. I wonder if he is considering a final year at Sandhurst and having once last crack at a premiership with them, or possibly just retiring. Again are you aware of any whispers as to his future?
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Brett and Dugid are thinking of returning to Shep Bears
 

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