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Laidler Jamison Tuohy
Gibbs Henderson Scotland
Yarran Carazzo Simpson
Garlett Waite Armfield
Walker Mitchell Betts
Kruezer Judd Murphy
Robinson Bootsma Hampson Menzel
I would think the 17 bolded players would be certain first 22 players if fit and in form.
The other 5 i am hoping to be best 22 players.
And there are another 15 odd players who can do their level best to make the best 22.
I think 3 groups of players hold the key to us being a top 4 team.
Jamison, Walker and Garlett need to recapture their 2011 form when they were at times in AA calculations.
Kruezer, Henderson and especially Yarran have the scope to be A Graders in the Ruck, KPD and Runner.
One of Mitchell, Watson, McCarthy and Casboult need to jump into prominence. Especially fingers crossed for Mitchell.
Gibbs Henderson Scotland
Yarran Carazzo Simpson
Garlett Waite Armfield
Walker Mitchell Betts
Kruezer Judd Murphy
Robinson Bootsma Hampson Menzel
I would think the 17 bolded players would be certain first 22 players if fit and in form.
The other 5 i am hoping to be best 22 players.
And there are another 15 odd players who can do their level best to make the best 22.
I think 3 groups of players hold the key to us being a top 4 team.
Jamison, Walker and Garlett need to recapture their 2011 form when they were at times in AA calculations.
Kruezer, Henderson and especially Yarran have the scope to be A Graders in the Ruck, KPD and Runner.
One of Mitchell, Watson, McCarthy and Casboult need to jump into prominence. Especially fingers crossed for Mitchell.
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No Duigs?
No. I can't find a place for him in the 22. He will be one of those depth players that should play games throughout the year but i query him at Top 4 AFL level. Kinda like Puopolo.
I really rate him as a strong presence among the group though.
Out : Fevola
In : Duigan
was a light bulb moment for CFC.
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Gonna look sort of cooky if he gets the captaincy.
I'm not surprised at all that he's in the Leadership Group.
In 2013 style AFL , Duigan is a valuable Club leader , role model and motivator.
Doesn't mean he'll be in the Best 22 though. imo
Agree with your assesment of Duigan TerryWallet .
Also think your side is pretty close to the mark , 1 question though ??
Malthouse has stated he thinks Kruezer is the best mobile ruckman in the game , given this we can expect Kruezer to ruck say 80% of the game ??
Can we in the modern game afford to have Hampson on the pine ?? taking into account his marking in the forward line thus far hasnt set the world on fire ??
Well, we haven't got any Dean Cox like options available.
With Waite at CHF and Kruezer in the Ruck, we need to make a decision to play either 1 or 2 of Hampson, Warnock, Casboult, Rowe, McCarthy or Mitchell in the 22.
IMO, i would have Mitchell at FF and Hampson as 2nd Ruck/Tall Forward/Bench Sitter.
If Mitchell isn't up to it , then the decision becomes decidely different with the other options being able to Ruck and thus making Hampson's spot in jeopardy.
So many options. None of them perfect. None of them terrible.
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I'd Like Mitchell to string at least 7-8 games in a row in the VFL before he is considered for senior selection.
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I'm a bit on the fence re: Mitchell, at the moment.
There is absolutely no need to rush him into senior football. Clearly he has a heap of talent, and clearly we all have high hopes for him but the reality is he's still young and has suffered a heap of injuries throughout his short career. The most important thing is to get games to him but it doesn't have to be at senior level. I'd be more than comfortable with him starting off at VFL level, stringing some games together, getting his confidence up and really putting forward a case for senior selection as the season progresses.
I think we're in a position where we don't necessarily have to rush Luke. If we're at full fitness or close to it, we do have options in the tall forward department. Mitchell is of course one of these options but at the moment he's not my preferred option and would be behind Waite, Hampson and Casboult as key forwards, with perhaps one or two more in competition with him as well.
Having said all that it would be foolish to rule him out. We know that historically Mick likes going into games with a reasonably tall lineup, and we also know that Mick isn't afraid to play the kids if he deems them to be up to the challenge. So if Squidda stays injury free this preseason (touch wood) and really makes an effort on the track then it's not completely out of the question that we'll see him in the senior side even early in the year.
My preference would be, like you, for Luke to start at VFL level and really work his way into the senior side but there is certainly merit to the idea of him wearing Navy Blue significantly earlier on in the season than perhaps we'd prefer.
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People at my work are all talking about how exciting it is that Christmas is just around the corner... (They are all losers and I hate them all), but as much as I enjoy Christmas (and time away from work
) all I can do is think that come Christmas Day, there will be 94 days to go before we hit the park to play the Tigers on March 28.
Our list finally looks like it is piecing together the way that our recruiters would want it too look.
Menzel, Temay, and Graham all look like outstanding prospects. And I am a huge fan of adding Cachia back onto our list.
A few key things went our way last season. Although we were decimated by injury, we were able to unearth some gems along the way. Gems that each and every premiership team must have to succeed.
Bell, McInness, Casboult, Bootsma, Mitchell, McCarthy and Dale entered the fold. All look promising after short stints and they will only be better for the experience.
McLean took charge and showed the reason why he was brought to our club. He is brutal at the way he goes after that football and a real leader out in the field. Some teams didn't pay him the respect he deserved and he carved them up.
Players that I believe also improved this year were Watson, Armfield, Yarran, White and even Gibbs. Even a gradual improvement come the start of 2013, and it will be hard for MM to leave any of these out of the team. I was never a fan of White until the end of this year and had him pegged to be delisted, but in those last 5 games of the year, to me he showed that he has the want and desire to make it.
I am excited at the prospect of having players such as Laidler, Kruezer, Murphy, Carrazzo, Judd, Duigan, Jamison, Waite, Henderson, McInness to name a few, playing more than what they did last year.
The big improvement I am really hoping to see is with Lucas. Injured and slayed by many. The kid has talent to burn. Get him fit and play him from round 1, no if's nor but's... Confidence is a big thing with this kid and if given the chance, he will show us why he was a number 12 draft pick a few years on. I would like to see him played on the wing or in a more attacking position tbh.
In a nutshell. Off Season is hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But we have huge upside after being dealt the hand we were in 2012.
) all I can do is think that come Christmas Day, there will be 94 days to go before we hit the park to play the Tigers on March 28.Our list finally looks like it is piecing together the way that our recruiters would want it too look.
Menzel, Temay, and Graham all look like outstanding prospects. And I am a huge fan of adding Cachia back onto our list.
A few key things went our way last season. Although we were decimated by injury, we were able to unearth some gems along the way. Gems that each and every premiership team must have to succeed.
Bell, McInness, Casboult, Bootsma, Mitchell, McCarthy and Dale entered the fold. All look promising after short stints and they will only be better for the experience.
McLean took charge and showed the reason why he was brought to our club. He is brutal at the way he goes after that football and a real leader out in the field. Some teams didn't pay him the respect he deserved and he carved them up.
Players that I believe also improved this year were Watson, Armfield, Yarran, White and even Gibbs. Even a gradual improvement come the start of 2013, and it will be hard for MM to leave any of these out of the team. I was never a fan of White until the end of this year and had him pegged to be delisted, but in those last 5 games of the year, to me he showed that he has the want and desire to make it.
I am excited at the prospect of having players such as Laidler, Kruezer, Murphy, Carrazzo, Judd, Duigan, Jamison, Waite, Henderson, McInness to name a few, playing more than what they did last year.
The big improvement I am really hoping to see is with Lucas. Injured and slayed by many. The kid has talent to burn. Get him fit and play him from round 1, no if's nor but's... Confidence is a big thing with this kid and if given the chance, he will show us why he was a number 12 draft pick a few years on. I would like to see him played on the wing or in a more attacking position tbh.
In a nutshell. Off Season is hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But we have huge upside after being dealt the hand we were in 2012.
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Mitchell definitely needs the game time in the Ants before he can make any sort of serious claim to being a best 22 player. Give him a couple of games in the seniors towards the end of the season, but get him playing in a string of games for the Ants and it will do him the world of good.
After all his shoulder issues the last couple of years, I wasnt really expecting too much from him before 2014.
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I think that the starting line up will be Waite at CHF pushing up the ground like he loves to do then turning back and running onto the ball and driving it forward with either Casboult or Rowe at FF with Hampson in the pocket.
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Keep the bloke who was 4th in the league for contested marks in his debut season.
Straightened us up a treat did big Levi.
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He certainly did straighten us up.....before sending us wayward once more once he got the ball.
Levi looked fantastic during his stint in the senior side at the back end of season 2012, and showed that he's certainly got a few weapons up his sleeve that could help him become a really solid AFL footballer. However, there's no doubt that his kicking is a huge weakness and it's something that could really hold him back if it isn't fixed up. As it stands I don't think he's a certain starter in the senior side in 2013, primarily because of the issues he has with his kicking.
If we go into round 1 against Richmond with two tall forwards then I think he misses out. Obviously Waite is ahead of him, and then I'd have Hampson as the other tall. Obviously Hammer isn't as good as Levi in terms of his marking but he's a better kick and he's significantly better in the ruck.
However, if we decide to approach that game with 3 talls in the forward line, a setup which Mick has traditionally favoured, then another spot opens up for Levi and I think he'd certainly be the front-runner to fill that position. As it stands currently he's certainly well ahead of our two other main options in Mitchell and Rowe, and I don't think a solid preseason showing from either of them would be near enough to push ahead of Levi.
The other option would be to bring Warnock in and play Kreuzer predominantly as a forward (has to be in consideration in light of Wiley's comments yesterday) which would probably squeeze Levi out of the side, but I would hope that option is a distinct last as Warnock for mine just doesn't show anywhere near enough around the ground and Kreuzer, whilst he's certainly dangerous as a floating ruckman in the forward line, hasn't shown he can play as a key forward for extended periods of time.
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Don't want Levi in the side until he sorts out his kicking or we have no choice due to injuries... its just too damn frustrating.
MM should tell him ... as soon as he sorts his kicking out u r in my best 22 ... give him something to work on!
I just could not handle losing a tight final because his efforts for the day were 0 goals 5 behinds and 2 out of bounds!
It would also show the rest of the squad that weaknesses will not be tolerated ... especially kicking!
MM should tell him ... as soon as he sorts his kicking out u r in my best 22 ... give him something to work on!
I just could not handle losing a tight final because his efforts for the day were 0 goals 5 behinds and 2 out of bounds!
It would also show the rest of the squad that weaknesses will not be tolerated ... especially kicking!
Wonder if there could be possible new roles. Bit of a long shot but these are a few possible ones.
Walker - defender on good players only or winger.
Judd - half back/wing.
Yarran - half forward/onball
Duigan - defensive winger/onball.
Touhy - onball
White - midfield.
Joseph - offensive onballer
Bell - Back/forward, Tagger
Mitchell - CHB
McCarthy - Forward
Rowe - CHB
Armfield - Tagger
Walker - defender on good players only or winger.
Judd - half back/wing.
Yarran - half forward/onball
Duigan - defensive winger/onball.
Touhy - onball
White - midfield.
Joseph - offensive onballer
Bell - Back/forward, Tagger
Mitchell - CHB
McCarthy - Forward
Rowe - CHB
Armfield - Tagger
Football is about getting the winning score on the board.
A forward has to be able to kick the ball thru the big sticks reliably.
I remember watching Brad Miller for the Tigers the last couple years. He would continually present and mark really well. But he would more than likely miss the goal.
It is team deflating.
Jordan Lisle kicked the ball terribly for the Hawks one day at the G. He didn't last long at the Hawks. Ironically, more bad goalkicking helped the Hawks lose this years flag.
I can't see Levi, as good a mark as he is, improving that kicking enough to be a reliable AFL player. He COULD be that diamond in the rough like David Cloke or Stewie Loewe but the odds are against him. Those 2 seemed to be able to iron will the ball thru the goals somehow.
Do you want the ball in Levi's hands at an important stage of an important match?
A forward has to be able to kick the ball thru the big sticks reliably.
I remember watching Brad Miller for the Tigers the last couple years. He would continually present and mark really well. But he would more than likely miss the goal.
It is team deflating.
Jordan Lisle kicked the ball terribly for the Hawks one day at the G. He didn't last long at the Hawks. Ironically, more bad goalkicking helped the Hawks lose this years flag.
I can't see Levi, as good a mark as he is, improving that kicking enough to be a reliable AFL player. He COULD be that diamond in the rough like David Cloke or Stewie Loewe but the odds are against him. Those 2 seemed to be able to iron will the ball thru the goals somehow.
Do you want the ball in Levi's hands at an important stage of an important match?
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Has shown over time that he has the ability to be dangerous wherever he plays. Personally I prefer him primarily around the forward line with stints pushing up through the middle of the ground. Did well on Milne in round 22 as a defender but that was a meaningless game so I wouldn't be taking too much from it. Might be an option depending on how Menzel fares early on.
Have mentioned before that I see merit in him playing on a wing. Can't see him at half back but half forward would be an option for periods during games.
Playing in the midfield has always been the long-term goal for Yaz. Whether that happens in 2013 remains to be seen but it will at some stage. Pushing him to half back was just stage 1 of that re-development. Likely won't be lining up at half forward unless we really need to mix things up but the way he plays he'll be in that area quite often regardless.
Doesn't have the speed by foot or mind to manage that and he's not clean below his knees which all counts against him. Medium defender is his go, perhaps with the occasional stint as a defensive forward
Certainly an option and one I wouldn't mind seeing but I think he's probably more likely to take over from Yarran at half back, allowing Yaz to push further up the ground.
The club has in the past alluded to his running game which hasn't been seen largely due to injuries - both to himself and also key personnel in the back half. The idea has some merit but not sure he's suited to be a permanent midfielder. More likely running defender who can push through the midfield at times.
Needs to recreate himself because he's not a small defender. Also not damaging enough offensively as a tagger so this might be his go.
Spent time as a defender at junior level so he could fill a defensive role at AFL level. Knows how to take a grab so could be a dangerous forward, and he already has tagged at times so that's not really a new role. Prefer him to be a hunter through the midfield with the ability to push deep at either end and have a real impact rather than limiting him to one specific role.
Not sure why we'd bother.
Played a fair chunk of last year as a forward and spent time in that position as a junior so that's not a new role.
Not sure why we'd bother.
He is already a tagger, and an excellent one at that. That's not a new role.
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Walker is pretty good in all positions, Personally I recon he will switch between the full forward type role and the high up half forward (extra midfielder). As a defender he has to be played on good quality dangerous forwards. Would like to see him and Steve Johnson head to head, things like this, otherwise he gets tagged by a defensive forward. His best games in defence were on players that drew the footy and brought him to the contest like a game on Hawkins a few years back and Milne in the last game where as his worst games as a back were on nobodies who tagged him and didn't draw the footy.
Can see Judd on a wing and I always wanted us to play him here when he was getting a hard tag or generally struggling. Also gets him away from the crash and bash of the center work which is more physically demanding. Perhaps stints at half back as well to break hard tags, get him running off a weaker forward, I don't like the idea of him having to stop a player as defending and spoiling are a weakness in his game.
Yarran is strong through the legs, core and shoulders which is a requirement of a center man and has heaps of skill, pace and goal sence and with Judd and Murphy drawing the attention of the taggers, he could well get under the guard of the oppositon. Agree that half back was stage one of a move to this area. I recon he could also be a player who plays on the really good forwards who draw the footy and bring him to the contest in the future too. He's actually a good stopper and has defensive smarts. Malthouse's defend first mindset might see him play on better opponants which I would like to see. Players who will take him to the footy and really utilise his defencive abilities. Again, like with the idea of Walker going back, the way to keep the ball out of your good attacking defenders hands and make them look inconsistant is to play them on the poorer players who don't draw the footy, which is something we have been guilty of.
Duigan may not have the ball handling to be a midfielder but as a strong bodied, hard at the ball inside onballer, maybe he has something. His pace is not an issue, plenty of midfielders slower than him. But I think his role is down back but he might have more to him. The more physical, big strong bodies in the center the better.
Touhy is a skillful player with a long kick and good goal sence and has the strong body to play on the ball. Remember him playing a good game against st kilda on the ball in the last round of 2011 and was looking forward to see him play there in 2012 but it never happened. Likes to hit the footy with momentum and has a real crack as well as having developed poise and evasive skills. I recon onball could well be his best position and if played there, would develop into a very good player.
White's attacking game as a backman is good but shit he leaks some goals. Maybe that is because he's played key position too often but I'm not convinced by his defensive game. He's supposed to be around 190cm which is tall midfielder type, has solid skills, is a good runner and a strong body. Could he follow the path of Kouta who was a half back at about the same size and go into the midfield and hurt the opposition with his skill, running ability, size and marking? Aparently was a midfielder as a junior, it's an unknown. I wouldn't be type casting him by looks and stamping him as a tall back. Perhaps a good nab cup/VFL expirement here.
AJ was played in a position he can't play and that's backline. Doesn't have the defensive smarts or tricks, often gets wrong sided by his opponant and got far too many goals kicked on him. He's a midfielder and that's it. What role we look to play him in the midfield remain's to be seen.
If Mitchell is playing some VFL, then stints at half back might be good for his game and development.
Armfield was pretty much 50/50 tagger and forward last year, I am talking about starting in the center a little more often and releasing Carrazzo to be a little more offensive at times. Just a little change on what types Army tags rathen than a change of role,
Can see Judd on a wing and I always wanted us to play him here when he was getting a hard tag or generally struggling. Also gets him away from the crash and bash of the center work which is more physically demanding. Perhaps stints at half back as well to break hard tags, get him running off a weaker forward, I don't like the idea of him having to stop a player as defending and spoiling are a weakness in his game.
Yarran is strong through the legs, core and shoulders which is a requirement of a center man and has heaps of skill, pace and goal sence and with Judd and Murphy drawing the attention of the taggers, he could well get under the guard of the oppositon. Agree that half back was stage one of a move to this area. I recon he could also be a player who plays on the really good forwards who draw the footy and bring him to the contest in the future too. He's actually a good stopper and has defensive smarts. Malthouse's defend first mindset might see him play on better opponants which I would like to see. Players who will take him to the footy and really utilise his defencive abilities. Again, like with the idea of Walker going back, the way to keep the ball out of your good attacking defenders hands and make them look inconsistant is to play them on the poorer players who don't draw the footy, which is something we have been guilty of.
Duigan may not have the ball handling to be a midfielder but as a strong bodied, hard at the ball inside onballer, maybe he has something. His pace is not an issue, plenty of midfielders slower than him. But I think his role is down back but he might have more to him. The more physical, big strong bodies in the center the better.
Touhy is a skillful player with a long kick and good goal sence and has the strong body to play on the ball. Remember him playing a good game against st kilda on the ball in the last round of 2011 and was looking forward to see him play there in 2012 but it never happened. Likes to hit the footy with momentum and has a real crack as well as having developed poise and evasive skills. I recon onball could well be his best position and if played there, would develop into a very good player.
White's attacking game as a backman is good but shit he leaks some goals. Maybe that is because he's played key position too often but I'm not convinced by his defensive game. He's supposed to be around 190cm which is tall midfielder type, has solid skills, is a good runner and a strong body. Could he follow the path of Kouta who was a half back at about the same size and go into the midfield and hurt the opposition with his skill, running ability, size and marking? Aparently was a midfielder as a junior, it's an unknown. I wouldn't be type casting him by looks and stamping him as a tall back. Perhaps a good nab cup/VFL expirement here.
AJ was played in a position he can't play and that's backline. Doesn't have the defensive smarts or tricks, often gets wrong sided by his opponant and got far too many goals kicked on him. He's a midfielder and that's it. What role we look to play him in the midfield remain's to be seen.
If Mitchell is playing some VFL, then stints at half back might be good for his game and development.
Armfield was pretty much 50/50 tagger and forward last year, I am talking about starting in the center a little more often and releasing Carrazzo to be a little more offensive at times. Just a little change on what types Army tags rathen than a change of role,
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