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How many games did he play last season?
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14... which is more than i thought
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Seriously. I'm concerned my 23 year old brain can't remember a single performance of his.
He was brilliant against Geelong.Seriously. I'm concerned my 23 year old brain can't remember a single performance of his.
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Haha you sound like meSeriously. I'm concerned my 23 year old brain can't remember a single performance of his.
This! So much this! Everyone is banging on about Judd retiring yet guys like this, Hodge in particular who seems to miss with injuries every year, it never comes up. Age is just a number, if Carrazzo goes well he will likely keep going. Never seen any good come for teams who discard players because they are the wrong side of 30.
We will pick our best side each week, we will pick the side that is more likely to win each week, if these young guys want a game then they have to earn it and play better than the older guys.
TBH I don't think too many of our young recruits will play, at least early on.
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As an opposition supporter who's watched many Carlton games over the years, I can tell you right now Carlton are so much better when Carrazzo is in the team and playing well. He's had a horrible run with injury over the last three years. If he's fit in 2015 he will give the Blues more depth threw the midfield as well as that ball winning ability that's been lacking lately.
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I personally think that Carazzo when fit is a key player. But with all the injuries he has had in the past few years, particularly calf injuries, there had understandably been frustration by some people and they have written him off. Calf injury= old mans injury. Coupled with the big chunk of change being handed over for very little output, and you can see why some have given up on him.
I havent. I think he has some more footy in him just like Judd. Lets give them the benefit of the doubt and both these players if they can keep fit could play in 2016 as well.
I havent. I think he has some more footy in him just like Judd. Lets give them the benefit of the doubt and both these players if they can keep fit could play in 2016 as well.
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As soon as I hit post I was like "what am I talking about, he won't even be playing"
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As soon as I hit post I was like "what am I talking about, he won't even be playing"
Patrick McGinnity played 10 games for them last year in 2014, so I guess it's not too much of a stretch to suggest Lucas might appear at senior level.
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Just on the Carrazzo discussion, I see him as clearly best 22 if we want to have a greater chance at winning games. However, he should be used sparingly as this has to be the year we develop and give a lot of game time to our young boys. Cripps, Graham, Boekhorst ect all need to be given ample game time if this club wants to progress over the next few years.
Carrazzo has been an awesome leader and servant of the club but the time is now to blood in all this quality youth.
Carrazzo has been an awesome leader and servant of the club but the time is now to blood in all this quality youth.
Hasn't that theory been strongly disproven by now? Melbourne and now St Kilda went down that road and they're still firmly stuck on the bottom of the ladder.
While on the other hand clubs at the top are generally clubs that make their young players earn there spot, forcing them to be ready to go before they get selected.
Make the young players earn a spot in the team. Don't give it to them before they are ready when there's a hardened player ready to go.
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There's a balance. Those teams played virtually a whole team of young players. We want to blood in 5 or 6 at a time while surrounding them with experience. Curnow now performs the Carrazzo role well. Carrazzo to play about 10 games this year in my opinion.
Curnow is a defensive link player. Carrazzo is a defensive inside midfielder. They play different roles and would be replaced by different players.
Carrazzo plays on the inside but as a tagger. So he plays as a tagger on the J Selwood type midfielder.
Curnow is more your running outside type tagger. Matches up well on B Hill type player.
I think it's going to come down to match ups. I'm not sure if given a full list to pick from if both will be in the side rd1 but I wouldn't be surprised either.
Curnow is more your running outside type tagger. Matches up well on B Hill type player.
I think it's going to come down to match ups. I'm not sure if given a full list to pick from if both will be in the side rd1 but I wouldn't be surprised either.
Best 22 who have only played/trained under Malthouse (well.... mostly!):
FB: Smith - Jaksch - Fields(r)
HB: Buckley - Giles - Docherty
C: Viojo-Rainbow - Whiley - Thomas
HF: Menzel - Holman - Walsh(r)
F: Gowers(r) - Foster - Boekhorst
Fol: Wood(r) - Cripps - Graham
Int: Sheehan(r) - Dick - Johnson(r) - Byrne(r) (sub)
FB: Smith - Jaksch - Fields(r)
HB: Buckley - Giles - Docherty
C: Viojo-Rainbow - Whiley - Thomas
HF: Menzel - Holman - Walsh(r)
F: Gowers(r) - Foster - Boekhorst
Fol: Wood(r) - Cripps - Graham
Int: Sheehan(r) - Dick - Johnson(r) - Byrne(r) (sub)
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If you tweak it to be played/trained at Carlton under Malthouse...the only one who doesnt fit that criteria from your squad is Buckley.
Looks more like he plays deep in the pocket if you ask me.
Included Buckley because despite being recruited in Ratts' last year, he didn't debut until Malthouse was coach and has now been 'under' MM longer than Ratts.
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Ok long post warning:
I have been struck by the idea that our Best 22 is best predicted not by individual performances but by the requirements of game plan and team composition. So I will in this potentially lengthy post attempt to establish what are game plan is, what that requires of each position, and which players seem at this point in time most likely to fill the requirements.
The Game Plan:
We are the longest kicking team in the league, with a low disposal count. Malthouse clearly favours playing the boundary line and a tall set up. The ultimate game plan then would seem to be as follows.
Defensive Mindset -
All players are defenders first. The target is to deny the opposition opportunity. Midfielders must run hard to cover opponents, and adopt a safety first mindset to forward forays. Dashing and daring high-risk plays are discouraged, although not forbidden, if the opportunity arises.
Stoppages -
Malthouse has never emphasised a strong ruck dominance as central, and this will countinue. Ruckmen will be more highly valued for contribution around the ground then for winning hit outs. We will concede hitouts won and advantage, for preference of a stronger defensive midfield set-up and defensive coverage. Winning clearances is less important then winning the hard ball and contests. Expect a tackle heavy team.
Long-Kicking -
Play out of the backline will trend towards long kicks to contests. We have recruited this way, and will almost certainly select this way. The aim will be to cover large sections of ground in short disposal chains. Kick to defensive 50 boundary, kick to mid wing boundary, kick to offensive 50 boundary. This will require a strong marking presence out of both tall and smaller players. Link players will be encourage to sit defensive side of packs, create space then kick to position over players.
Tall Set Up -
Three talls forward, three talls back, tall link players. We are going to emphasise winning the aerial contests in a big way. Long-kicking will require players who can win the ball in the air or neutralise it. This does not necessarily mean we will be aiming to dominate the forward 50 space with big-marking players, but the ball will be coming in via long kicks not short ones.
Fast Half-Forwards -
Our smaller forwards will be essentially midfielders. They will be pushing well up the ground as part of the defensive mindset. Their role once the ball hits the arc will be to create a large swathe of offensive options and to pull the defenders around. Think about it like the Collingwood midfield in 2010. Lots of goalkickers amongst the mids. This is because they will push out from the boundary into space and share the ball to better options. Crumbing small forwards and stay at home forwards will be heavily de-emphasised. Everyone pushes up and then back hard into the 50 to overwhelm defenders with multiple players to cover.
The Position:
Back Pockets:
Taller players, strong in the air with a good turn of pace, but not necessarily lightning. Key focus here will be on covering their own man and killing aerial balls. One will likely be more "third tall" than the other Options: Simon White, Andrew Walker, Dillon Viojo-Rainbow, Zach Tuohy, Ciaran Sheehan
Full Back/CHB:
Strong aerially, stoppers primarily. Preference for long kicking, disciplined defensive play. Both KPD are here to kill the air ball to give time for the defensive midfield swarm to form. Ideally will not have to deal too much with long leads as pressure up the ground should mean that there will be more high balls, then low ones. Options: Michael Jamison, Sam Rowe, Lachlan Henderson, Simon White, Kristian Jaksch, Matthew Watson
Half Back Flanks:
Quasi-midfielders. Hard runners with long-kicking and high end defensive pressure. The "midfield swarm" defensive play will focus on these players stacking on the pressure. Bad kicking here will cripple the whole strategy so only our most reliable kicks get places. Options Chris Yarran, Kade Simpson, Sam Docherty, Dale Thomas, Andrew Walker, Ciaran Sheehan, Dylan Buckley, Zach Tuohy.
Wings:
Taller midfielders. Strong hands, long kicking. This is the mid phase of the transition up the field, these players will be some of the highest up the ground during the "swarm". Hard runners are preferred as they will also be part of the diverse forward options. Options Dale Thomas, Kade Simpson Andrejs Everitt, Troy Menzel, Sam Docherty, Blaine Boekhurst, Billy Gowers, Bryce Gibbs
Midfielders:
High pressure hard ball winners. Defensive side needs to be strong. A mixture of clearance winners and hard runners. These players will obviously be working hard on winning the ball, but will do so with the defensive side front of the mind, restricting options being better than running forward of the play. Options: Marc Murphy, Bryce Gibbs, Chris Judd, Dale Thomas, Andrew Carazzo Patrick Cripps, Nick Graham, Mark Whiley, Ed Curnow, Tom Bell, Bradley Walsh.
Half-Forwards:
There are essentially no smaller players deeper than this. These players are quasi-midfielders as well, they need to push hard up the ground into the swarm, and then cut back quickly to create options. This is where speed will be crucial as part of the team. Line-breaking pace from these players will mean that when the ball hits the 50 there are lots of options. Options: Blaine Boekhurst, Chris Yarran, Chris Judd, Kade Simpson, Marc Murphy, Troy Menzel, Sam Docherty, Clem Smith, Jason Tutt, Dylan Buckley, Andrew Carazzo, David Ellard.
Forward Pockets:
Taller players, or players who play tall. Key role here will be the last link in the long-kicking chain to the 50. Ideally they will push hard up the ground and be a loose part of the "swarm", albeit hanging around as marking options for the rebound primarily. Options: Liam Jones, Kristian Jaksch, Simon White, Matthew Watson, Andrejs Everitt, Troy Menzel, Andrew Walker
Full Forward/CHF:
Key role is marking option on the wing and then the forward 50 arc. Goal kicking is not a priority. Strong running and leading patterns will be a must, contested marking is also important. Options: Lachlan Henderson, Levi Casboult, Liam Jones, Matthew Kreuzer
Ruck:
Competitive in hitouts but not a priority. MUST be a link option on the wings and be able to push forward as part of the diverse goal-kicking options. Strong running performance will be important. Options: Matthew Kreuzer, Levi Casboult, Cameron Wood, Robert Warnock
Best 22:
BP: Simon White, Micheal Jamison, Andrew Walker
HB: Chris Yarran, Sam Rowe, Kade Simpson
C: Andrejs Everitt, Bryce Gibbs, Dale Thomas
HF: Blaine Boekhurst, Lachlan Henderson, Sam Docherty
F: Liam Jones, Levi Casboult, Troy Menzel
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Marc Murphy, Chris Judd
I/C: Andrew Carazzo, Ed Curnow, Dylan Buckley
S: David Ellard
I have been struck by the idea that our Best 22 is best predicted not by individual performances but by the requirements of game plan and team composition. So I will in this potentially lengthy post attempt to establish what are game plan is, what that requires of each position, and which players seem at this point in time most likely to fill the requirements.
The Game Plan:
We are the longest kicking team in the league, with a low disposal count. Malthouse clearly favours playing the boundary line and a tall set up. The ultimate game plan then would seem to be as follows.
Defensive Mindset -
All players are defenders first. The target is to deny the opposition opportunity. Midfielders must run hard to cover opponents, and adopt a safety first mindset to forward forays. Dashing and daring high-risk plays are discouraged, although not forbidden, if the opportunity arises.
Stoppages -
Malthouse has never emphasised a strong ruck dominance as central, and this will countinue. Ruckmen will be more highly valued for contribution around the ground then for winning hit outs. We will concede hitouts won and advantage, for preference of a stronger defensive midfield set-up and defensive coverage. Winning clearances is less important then winning the hard ball and contests. Expect a tackle heavy team.
Long-Kicking -
Play out of the backline will trend towards long kicks to contests. We have recruited this way, and will almost certainly select this way. The aim will be to cover large sections of ground in short disposal chains. Kick to defensive 50 boundary, kick to mid wing boundary, kick to offensive 50 boundary. This will require a strong marking presence out of both tall and smaller players. Link players will be encourage to sit defensive side of packs, create space then kick to position over players.
Tall Set Up -
Three talls forward, three talls back, tall link players. We are going to emphasise winning the aerial contests in a big way. Long-kicking will require players who can win the ball in the air or neutralise it. This does not necessarily mean we will be aiming to dominate the forward 50 space with big-marking players, but the ball will be coming in via long kicks not short ones.
Fast Half-Forwards -
Our smaller forwards will be essentially midfielders. They will be pushing well up the ground as part of the defensive mindset. Their role once the ball hits the arc will be to create a large swathe of offensive options and to pull the defenders around. Think about it like the Collingwood midfield in 2010. Lots of goalkickers amongst the mids. This is because they will push out from the boundary into space and share the ball to better options. Crumbing small forwards and stay at home forwards will be heavily de-emphasised. Everyone pushes up and then back hard into the 50 to overwhelm defenders with multiple players to cover.
The Position:
Back Pockets:
Taller players, strong in the air with a good turn of pace, but not necessarily lightning. Key focus here will be on covering their own man and killing aerial balls. One will likely be more "third tall" than the other Options: Simon White, Andrew Walker, Dillon Viojo-Rainbow, Zach Tuohy, Ciaran Sheehan
Full Back/CHB:
Strong aerially, stoppers primarily. Preference for long kicking, disciplined defensive play. Both KPD are here to kill the air ball to give time for the defensive midfield swarm to form. Ideally will not have to deal too much with long leads as pressure up the ground should mean that there will be more high balls, then low ones. Options: Michael Jamison, Sam Rowe, Lachlan Henderson, Simon White, Kristian Jaksch, Matthew Watson
Half Back Flanks:
Quasi-midfielders. Hard runners with long-kicking and high end defensive pressure. The "midfield swarm" defensive play will focus on these players stacking on the pressure. Bad kicking here will cripple the whole strategy so only our most reliable kicks get places. Options Chris Yarran, Kade Simpson, Sam Docherty, Dale Thomas, Andrew Walker, Ciaran Sheehan, Dylan Buckley, Zach Tuohy.
Wings:
Taller midfielders. Strong hands, long kicking. This is the mid phase of the transition up the field, these players will be some of the highest up the ground during the "swarm". Hard runners are preferred as they will also be part of the diverse forward options. Options Dale Thomas, Kade Simpson Andrejs Everitt, Troy Menzel, Sam Docherty, Blaine Boekhurst, Billy Gowers, Bryce Gibbs
Midfielders:
High pressure hard ball winners. Defensive side needs to be strong. A mixture of clearance winners and hard runners. These players will obviously be working hard on winning the ball, but will do so with the defensive side front of the mind, restricting options being better than running forward of the play. Options: Marc Murphy, Bryce Gibbs, Chris Judd, Dale Thomas, Andrew Carazzo Patrick Cripps, Nick Graham, Mark Whiley, Ed Curnow, Tom Bell, Bradley Walsh.
Half-Forwards:
There are essentially no smaller players deeper than this. These players are quasi-midfielders as well, they need to push hard up the ground into the swarm, and then cut back quickly to create options. This is where speed will be crucial as part of the team. Line-breaking pace from these players will mean that when the ball hits the 50 there are lots of options. Options: Blaine Boekhurst, Chris Yarran, Chris Judd, Kade Simpson, Marc Murphy, Troy Menzel, Sam Docherty, Clem Smith, Jason Tutt, Dylan Buckley, Andrew Carazzo, David Ellard.
Forward Pockets:
Taller players, or players who play tall. Key role here will be the last link in the long-kicking chain to the 50. Ideally they will push hard up the ground and be a loose part of the "swarm", albeit hanging around as marking options for the rebound primarily. Options: Liam Jones, Kristian Jaksch, Simon White, Matthew Watson, Andrejs Everitt, Troy Menzel, Andrew Walker
Full Forward/CHF:
Key role is marking option on the wing and then the forward 50 arc. Goal kicking is not a priority. Strong running and leading patterns will be a must, contested marking is also important. Options: Lachlan Henderson, Levi Casboult, Liam Jones, Matthew Kreuzer
Ruck:
Competitive in hitouts but not a priority. MUST be a link option on the wings and be able to push forward as part of the diverse goal-kicking options. Strong running performance will be important. Options: Matthew Kreuzer, Levi Casboult, Cameron Wood, Robert Warnock
Best 22:
BP: Simon White, Micheal Jamison, Andrew Walker
HB: Chris Yarran, Sam Rowe, Kade Simpson
C: Andrejs Everitt, Bryce Gibbs, Dale Thomas
HF: Blaine Boekhurst, Lachlan Henderson, Sam Docherty
F: Liam Jones, Levi Casboult, Troy Menzel
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Marc Murphy, Chris Judd
I/C: Andrew Carazzo, Ed Curnow, Dylan Buckley
S: David Ellard
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