Best 22 for 2014

[Obese Arachnid]

B Toovey, Brown, Williams,
HB Seedsman, Keefe, Macaffer,
C O'brien, Swan, Young,
HF Sidebottom, Cloke, Fasolo
FF White, Reid, Elliot
Fol: Grundy, Pendlebury, Beams
Int: Ball, Sinclair, Thomas, Scharenberg

and the good news is.. I can't fit in... Goldsack, Maxwell, Clarke, Lynch, Adams, Dwyer, Kennedy, Martin, Broomhead, Witts, Oxley, Freeman, Blair, Frost, Karnezis... etc etc... we have some amazing depth!!!

Nice avatar change. You could've gone with anything but you have been consistent with your first avatar & stuck with your principles. DNA!!!!!!

 

[Billy#25]

Which 22

SEN

Williams Brown O'Brien
Seedsman Keeffe Toovey

Grundy Pendlebury Beams
Thomas Sidebottom Adams

Swan Reid Fasolo
White Cloke Elliott

Blair Ball Dwyer Scharenberg

RES

Armstrong Frost Maxwell
Broomhead Oxley Langdon

Witts Macaffer Karnezis
Young Goldsack Sinclair

Freeman Marsh Mooney
Kennedy Lynch Martin

Clarke Hudson Ramsay Yagmoor

That reserves team has one hell of a fast half forward line!!

 

[sd26]

Could someone get me our average age for the list? Just curious to see how young we are.

As of today: Years Months

Quinten Lynch 30 10
Nick Maxwell 30 06
Dane Swan 29 09
Luke Ball 29 07
Clinton Young 27 10
Sam Dwyer 27 03
Heritier O'Brien 27 01
Travis Cloke 26 09
Alan Toovey 26 09
Tyson Goldsack 26 07
Martin Clarke 26 01
Scott Pendlebury 25 11
Jesse White 25 11
Brent Macaffer 25 09
Nathan Brown 24 11
Ben Reid 24 07
Tony Armstrong 24 02
Dayne Beams 23 10
Lachlan Keeffe 23 08
Jarryd Blair 23 08
Ben Sinclair 22 02
Josh Thomas 22 02
Paul Seedsman 21 11
Steele Sidebottom 21 11
Patrick Karnezis 21 08
Alex Fasolo 21 06
Jamie Elliott 21 04
Jarrod Witts 21 03
Adam Oxley 21 01
Marley Williams 20 05
Taylor Adams 20 03
Ben Kennedy 19 09
Tim Broomhead 19 09
Brodie Grundy 19 08
Tom Langdon 19 06
Jackson Ramsay 19 01
Nathan Freeman 18 06
Matthew Scharenberg 18 03
John Marsh 18 02

Average Age 23 07

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Sidebottom older than Seedsman, Thomas, Sinclair... Surely?

It has to be wrong. Beams couldn't be two years older than Steele, surely? They were drafted in the same year.

 

[Baird]

Steele is 22 and 11

 

[Medders123]

B: Marley Williams, Nathan Brown, Alan Toovey
HB: Matt Scharenberg, Lachlan Keeffe, Paul Seedsman
C: Harry O’Brien, Luke Ball, Dane Swan
HF: Jesse White, Travis Cloke, Steele Sidebottom
F: Jamie Elliott, Ben Reid, Alex Fasolo
FOLL: Brodie Grundy, Scott Pendlebury, Dayne Beams
INT: Josh Thomas, Taylor Adams, Brent Macaffer, Clinton Young

EMG: Tyson Goldsack, Sam Dwyer, Jarryd Blair (all of which are unlucky)

 

[Raveneyes]

Ok let me at it!

B: Williams, N.Brown, Toovey
HB: Maxwell, Keeffe, Seedsman
C: Young, Swan, O'Brien
HF: Fasolo, Reid, Sidebottom
F: White, Cloke, Elliott
R: Grundy, Pendlebury (C), Beams (VC)
Int: Adams, Ball, Macaffer
Sub: Dwyer
Emerg: J.Thomas, Goldsack, Blair

My general thoughts:
BACKS
* Maxwell WILL start round one.
* Scharenburg WILL BE ELITE, but will not be best 22 until mid-year, will probably take Maxwell's place
* Reid to start forward. Keeffe, Brown and Scharenburg will form the nucleus of defense in 2014
* Armstrong to pressure Seedsman & Williams for spots
* Would love to see Ramsay do well this year
* Oxley in front of Langdon and Frost
MIDS
* Can't fit J.Thomas in, same type as Ball, Adams etc. Great battle for inside mid positions! Can I pick a best 23?
* Would expect Freeman & Broomhead to play 5-10 senior games each, minimum
* Would expect natural improvement from Ben Kennedy, but not best 22 at this stage
* Martin will be promoted at some stage
* Witts should be in front of Lynch for FWD/2nd RUCK spot
* Hudson 3rd or 4th ruck now, great back-up
FORWARDS
* Karnezis & Sinclair to compete for small forward/rotating mid spots
* Marsh a wildcard, but senior footy in 2014 would surprise
* Lynch is depth now. Best appears behind him, but can still perform a role

Mooney, Clarke & Yagmoor have others passing by them, and new recruits moving in. This could signal the end for them this year. Would love to see these guys have big seasons.

Of course I could be wrong, but thats my 2 cents and 15 minutes.

 

[sd26]

Steele is 22 and 11

Probably right I got this from the club website which has his DOB 22.01.92.

 

[surfer1]

Our Youngest 22

Seedsman Frost Broomhead
Williams Oxley Scharenberg

Grundy Kennedy Thomas
Adams Freeman Karnezis

Elliott Marsh Fasolo
Witts Moore Mooney

Ramsay Langdon Kelly Yagmoor

Scary young what is the average ages, maybe 22

 

[surfer1]

Best 22
Back M Scharenberg N Brown A Toovey
HBack S Sidebottom B Reid M Williams
Centre D Beams J Thomas T Adams
HForward N Freeman J White L Ball
Forward A Fasolo T Cloke J Elliot
Following: B Grundy S Pendlebery D Swan

Interchange P Seedsman, C Young, H Obrien, P Karnesis,

Depth T Broomhead, J Blair, S Dwyer, B Kennedy, K Martin, T Goldsack, B Macaffer, N Maxwell, J Ramsay, B Sinclair
Losses: D Thomas, H Shaw, J Paine

Gains: M Scharenberg, N Freeman, P Karnesis, T Adams, J White

Are you forgetting Keefe?

 

[doodles98]

Nice avatar change. You could've gone with anything but you have been consistent with your first avatar & stuck with your principles. DNA!!!!!!

ssshhh... it's a selfie

 

[Lethal06]

Impossible to fit everyone in. Other than 2010, I can't remember us having depth of this quality at any stage in past 25-30 years.

FB Williams Brown Toovey
HB Reid Keefe Sidebottom
C Adams Beams O'Brien
HF Swan White Fasolo
FF Blair Cloke Elliott
R Grundy Pendles (C) Ball (VC)
INT J.Thomas Young Karnezis Seedsman
EMERG Dwyer Macaffer Goldsack

DEPTH Maxwell Lynch Witts Hudson Armstrong Oxley Martin Broomhead Kennedy Scharenberg Freeman Langdon Marsh Ramsay Mooney Yagmoor

Ball-magnets and damaging players on every line. Perhaps a little slow, which might increase chances for Freeman, Marsh, etc. Fast & precise ball movement more important than outright foot-speed, IMO.

I have two lingering concerns:
1. Who takes the kick-ins? My preference is probably Seedsman but is he really a defender and is he a lock in starting 22?
2. What happens if Grundy cops an early season-ending injury. None of White, Hudson, Witts or Lynch is up to the task of rucking all season. Grundy is nearly our most important player after just a handful of games.

We have a genuine Top-4 side there, if we can minimise the LTI's.

 

[TheWing121]

I will have a crack at this.

Best 22 (1st Round)
B: Williams Brown Toovey
HB: Seedsman Keefe Maxwell
C: O'Brien Swan Sidebottom
HF: Beams Reid White
F: Fasolo Cloke Elliot
R: Grundy Pendles Ball
Int: Adams, Blair, J Thomas, Goldsack or Maccaffer

By round 10
Forced Out: Maxwell, Blair
Maybe Forced Out: Seedsman, Goldsack, Caff & J Thomas

 

[Lefthanded]

Slightly different approach rather than pigeon holing some players in a position when they might play several and actual best 22 will depend on who we are playing.

19 guys when fit pretty much pick themselves for me:
FB:Williams, Brown, Toovey
HB: Scharenberg, Keeffe, Young
C: O'Brien, Ball, ?
HF: White, Cloke, Beams
FF: Elliott, Reid, ?
Rucks: Grundy, Pendlebury, Swan
Inter: Sidebottom, Adams, Macaffer, ?

* Scharenberg, Reid provide flexibility to go forward or back
* Young may be better suited to a wing
* I want Cloke 40+ from goal when kicking and he's got the endurance
* White can play HFF or FP or swap with Reid for FF to run opposition defenders ragged, and keep them away from Cloke
* Macaffer as tagger or defensive forward role
* With 4 taller players down back & 3 up fwd there's probably only room for one of Seedsman, Goldsack, Oxley & Maxwell to come in although I suspect Maxwell to be the only one who lacks run.

16 guys fighting for the remaining 3 spots and providing depth for injuries
J Thomas - midfield depth and some scope up forward
Blair, Kennedy, Fasolo, Dwyer fighting for Fwd Pocket / midfield depth
Seedsman - an option for wing or hbf
Goldsack - provides good flexibility, prefer him as defensive fwd but can be wing or hbf
Sinclair - will get games in backline when 3rd smaller player required / extra pace
Maxwell - option for hbf, extra leadership
Oxley - similar to Goldsack but probably prefer down back sharing kick ins with Scharenberg
Lynch - 2nd or 3rd tall fwd plus back up ruck role sees Lynch mainly fighting for a spot against White
Witts - my preferred option as 1st ruck if Grundy not available or needs a rest, keep developing his FF potential
Broomhead, Karenzis, Freeman, Langdon - slightly unknown quantities for me due to my lack of knowledge & their lack of exposed senior form

Leaving Clarke, Frost, Yagmoor, Ramsay, Martin, Mooney, Hudson, Armstrong, Marsh as depth / needing further development.

 

[THATSGOLD]

As of today: Years Months

Quinten Lynch 30 10
Nick Maxwell 30 06
Dane Swan 29 09
Luke Ball 29 07
Clinton Young 27 10
Sam Dwyer 27 03
Heritier O'Brien 27 01
Travis Cloke 26 09
Alan Toovey 26 09
Tyson Goldsack 26 07
Martin Clarke 26 01
Scott Pendlebury 25 11
Jesse White 25 11
Brent Macaffer 25 09
Nathan Brown 24 11
Ben Reid 24 07
Tony Armstrong 24 02
Dayne Beams 23 10
Lachlan Keeffe 23 08
Jarryd Blair 23 08
Ben Sinclair 22 02
Josh Thomas 22 02
Paul Seedsman 21 11
Steele Sidebottom 21 11
Patrick Karnezis 21 08
Alex Fasolo 21 06
Jamie Elliott 21 04
Jarrod Witts 21 03
Adam Oxley 21 01
Marley Williams 20 05
Taylor Adams 20 03
Ben Kennedy 19 09
Tim Broomhead 19 09
Brodie Grundy 19 08
Tom Langdon 19 06
Jackson Ramsay 19 01
Nathan Freeman 18 06
Matthew Scharenberg 18 03
John Marsh 18 02

Average Age 23 07

Swans nearly 30 that is depressing.

 

[Hinequarters]

Swans nearly 30 that is depressing.

But the bulk of the quality starts with Cloke at 26yrs and under, good times a coming

 

[Sub_Zero]

B: Williams - Keeffe - Toovey
HB: Scharenberg - Brown - Seedsman
C: O'Brien - Swan - Beams
HF: Fasolo - Reid - Sidebottom
F: Elliott - Cloke - White
R: Grundy - Ball - Pendlebury
Bench: Adams, Macaffer, Thomas, Freeman

 

[Jonno94]

B: Toovey Brown Williams
HB: Scharenberg Reid Sidebottom
C: Ball Beams O'Brien
HF: Adams White Broomhead
F: Fasolo Cloke Elliott

FOL: Grundy Pendlebury Swan
BENCH: Kennedy Thomas Seedsman SUB: Freeman

The height of our forward line might be a problem.

 

[Shaneprice97]

B: Toovey Brown Williams
HB: Scharenberg Reid Sidebottom
C: Ball Beams O'Brien
HF: Adams White Broomhead
F: Fasolo Cloke Elliott

FOL: Grundy Pendlebury Swan
BENCH: Kennedy Thomas Seedsman SUB: Freeman

The height of our forward line might be a problem.

we would have the same problem we had for most of this year. We need 2 key forwards and a fwd/ruck, not a key forward and a fwd/ruck. 2011 we had cloke and dawes as key forward and leigh brown as fwd/ruck.
It will work with reids versatility, if we need him to go back, he goes back. He might only play one full year in the fwd line? And he may go down back and become the chb of the competition again. But until we have a another key fwd as good as him he will need to stay fwd imo.

It will be hard for some to cope him in being at chf but imagine to gun fwds both getting around 60 goals? How amazing would that be?

What also would be awesome is making a huge play for Lachlan Henderson from the blues, hes pretty much another ben reid and the same age, they could swap from chb to chf threw games and can both finish with over 30 goals, and carltons only decent key position player would be ours.

 

[loki04]

It has to be wrong. Beams couldn't be two years older than Steele, surely? They were drafted in the same year.

Steele was extremely bottom aged only just snuck in and Beams was at the other end of the spectrum.

 

[Chilli Con Incarnate]

Round 1.

B - Maxwell Brown Toovey
HB - Williams Keeffe Seedsman
C - O'Brien Swan Beams
HF - Fasolo Cloke Sidebottom
F - Elliott Reid White
R - Grundy Ball Pendlebury
INT - Adams Macaffer Blair Thomas

Barring injury and any massive form shifts, I think this is the most realistic looking lineup.

 

[iGNITER]

Barring injury and any massive form shifts, I think this is the most realistic looking lineup.

Yeah, really wanted to get Goldsack in there as well.
Probably have him emergency with Dwyer and Young at this stage.
But Young does offer bit off a wing and im sure he was recruited for a reason, just needs to get on the park.

 

[TheWoodsOf72]

Ok let me at it!
Mooney, Clarke & Yagmoor have others passing by them, and new recruits moving in. This could signal the end for them this year. Would love to see these guys have big seasons.
Of course I could be wrong, but thats my 2 cents and 15 minutes.

Do you think that both Young and O'Brien are fixed on the wings (non-negotiable) or could others challenge their position e.g. Seedsman?

 

[Raveneyes]

Do you think that both Young and O'Brien are fixed on the wings (non-negotiable) or could others challenge their position e.g. Seedsman?

I think that most positions these days, especially the midfield, have many players rotated through there. Young and O'Brien should spend a lot of time there, but by no means they will be fixed.

Seedsman is definitely one that will move between HBF and wing.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Do you think that both Young and O'Brien are fixed on the wings (non-negotiable) or could others challenge their position e.g. Seedsman?

If anything Seedsman should get first crack instead of Young. He just has better natural gifts and played well this season. Young will get in eventually if fit but is by no means a walk up start.