Prediction Best 22 for 2020

[avishka5]

Nah dont think so,we are trying to improve our midfield,taking shuey out and leaving redden and sheed in there isnt improving it.
We need to get more dynamic and taking shuey out wouldnt help.
We have the forwards to fill the rioli role(obviously not as well)

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I think you miss the key part where i said "bit" .

Kelly will improve our midfield but you still need to keep the balance right to a degree. We also need to remember that boots will be 30 next year and with kelly/Yeo/Sheed we don't need to him to be as contested/clearance focused as he is atm.

 

[avishka5]

I think Redden being eased out of the side isn't the worst thing. He's down as one of the least damaging mids in the comp this year, and even though that isn't exactly his role, I think we could benefit from more dynamism in the middle.

Isn't kelly/Yeo/Shuey not enough Dynamism. My earlier post didn't suggest Boots completely more out of the middle but for him to spend a bit more time running through HFF. Bit like Dusty/Danger being placed at FF.

Kelly allows us the flexibility to use Shuey in a more dangerous fashion. Our best footy comes when we cut the oppo with elite ball movement and Shuey possess that in spades but due to his current role, it doesn't shine out as often as it should.

 

[mattyc75]

I think you miss the key part where i said "bit" .

Kelly will improve our midfield but you still need to keep the balance right to a degree. We also need to remember that boots will be 30 next year and with kelly/Yeo/Sheed we don't need to him to be as contested/clearance focused as he is atm.

To be honest shueys partnership with naitanui makes him invaluable at centre bounces.would rather leave the forward spot to a forward.playing a midfielder in the forward line hasnt worked that well for us in the past

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[dodgie]

To be honest shueys partnership with naitanui makes him invaluable at centre bounces.would rather leave the forward spot to a forward.playing a midfielder in the forward line hasnt worked that well for us in the past

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To be fair the midfielders we played in the forward line in the past were the likes of Masten, Hutchings etc, not the quality of Shuey.

 

[RookiePick]

To be fair the midfielders we played in the forward line in the past were the likes of Masten, Hutchings etc, not the quality of Shuey.

Gaz Ablett was savage off the HFF for much of the year. I can see what you are getting at but I think Shuey has another year or two providing far more at the coal face.

It is more about Shuey and Yeo getting a decent chop out and us not getting smashed at the contest than needing to transition out IMO.

 

[mattyc75]

To be fair the midfielders we played in the forward line in the past were the likes of Masten, Hutchings etc, not the quality of Shuey.

Do we want to lose that quality?

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[flamingEMBERS]

Gaz Ablett was savage off the HFF for much of the year. I can see what you are getting at but I think Shuey has another year or two providing far more at the coal face.

It is more about Shuey and Yeo getting a decent chop out and us not getting smashed at the contest than needing to transition out IMO.

But playing Shuey off the Hff for majority of games allows us to keep him fresh for later in the year and push some of the younger hff/mid types through there too.

 

[Kwality]

But playing Shuey off the Hff for majority of games allows us to keep him fresh for later in the year and push some of the younger hff/mid types through there too.

Centre square without Shuey would be crazy.

 

[BeornJ]

I can see both Shuey and Kelly spending significant time in the HFF to allow us to play another midfielder. Having those contested ball winners in the forward line will help our post clearance ground ball gets.

Under this scenario, this is how I would see the best 22 line up:


FB Sheppard Barrass Hurn
HB Duggan McGovern Jetta
C Redden Sheed Gaff
HF Kelly Darling Cripps
FF Ryan Kennedy Allen
R NN Yeo Shuey
INT Hickey Nelson Petruccelle Extra Mid


Extra Mid From: Venables, Brayshaw, Ainsworth, O'Neill

Taggers: Nelson and Hutchings


Nelson has been excellent in stopping roles. His scalps include Tippa, Oliver ( for a quarter) and Ablett.

If he is tagging in the midfield I would bring in Cole, Rotham or Watson

 

[random260]

Honestly venables is either mid or bust.

Both Cameron and petch has shown more HFF skills than him. We are playing venables only on the hope he can turn glimpse of mid skills into full time mid.

No more either mid or bust. Petch and Cameron have gone past him in hff role.

 

[Lynch takes a mark]

FB: Jetta, Barrass, Sheppard
HB: Hurn, Gov, Yeo
C: Nelson, Kelly, Gaff
HF: Ryan, Darling, Waterman
FF: Cameron, Kennedy, Cripps
R: Naitanui, Shuey, Sheed
I: Redden, Duggan, Petruccelle, Allen

Forward line rotation

Talls: Kennedy, Darling, Allen, Waterman, Naitanui
Smalls: Ryan, Cameron, Cripps, Petruccelle, Kelly, Shuey, Yeo

Midfield/wing/stoppage Rotation

Nelson, Kelly, Gaff, Redden, Yeo, Shuey, Naitanui, Allen, Ryan, Petruccelle

Back line rotation:

Yeo, Hurn, Barrass, Shep, Gov, Duggan, Nelson

Emerging: Brander (Utility - Defender focus IMO), Venables (despite being a premiership player, midfield), Allen (Forward/Ruck), Cameron (Forward), Petch (Forward/Wing), Waterman (Forward)

Fallen out of the 25 - Cole, Vardy, Hickey, Hutch, Ah Chee

Six players under 22 that need significant game time, four players over 30 in 2020 from the best 22. Going to be difficult to find the balance (particularly midfield) between those who are role players and those who are impact players.

Back line is an issue, not because of the quality but the lack of midfield support putting extra pressure, if the team is going to lift then we need to be able to shift the opposition more effectively than we did in 2019. Too often we got held up with the kick down the line at attacking right half forward and struggled to maintain territory. Shifting the opposition structure is a huge amount of work with the kicking and risk taking to pull it off but it leaves opportunities for diagonal kicks instead of kicking over the mark.

IMO I would rather Yeo playing a wing/utility role than mid so I've put him at HB. I think he breaks off half back better than most, can lose his opponent in a run on to the HF line and can be a relieving mark from kick outs with some loose ball mongrel added in to the contests.

Nelson is too easily hit with HTB for a back line role but is about as competitive as I've ever seen somebody, I would love for him to get a preseason under the belt and take on a stopping role through the midfield where he could throw his frame around the stoppages. He already plays a sacrificial role, disposal numbers aren't a factor for him, wanting to break peoples souls is. I think having Duggan in the team will get the best out of him, could see him as a Selwood type stopper for a solid 100 games from now on.

 

[Ok Boomer]

B Sheppard, Barrass, Nelson
HB Jetta, McGovern, Hurn
W Gaff, Yeo, Kelly
HF Venables, Darling, Cripps
FF Ryan, Kennedy, Cameron
RR Naitanui, Shuey, Sheed
I Redden, Duggan, Petruccelle, Allen

EMG Hickey, Cole, Hutchings, Brander, Schofield (if kept)

The three main provisos here being Venables having a full preseason, Rioli copping a ban and the recruitment of Kelly.

One thing of concern is how old our rebounding half backs are with not much back up in the WAFL. Watson is 50/50 whether he makes it or not and there is not much else.

 

[WereFlyingHigh4]

B Sheppard, Barrass, Nelson
HB Jetta, McGovern, Hurn
W Gaff, Yeo, Kelly
HF Venables, Darling, Cripps
FF Ryan, Kennedy, Cameron
RR Naitanui, Shuey, Sheed
I Redden, Duggan, Petruccelle, Allen

EMG Hickey, Cole, Hutchings, Brander, Schofield (if kept)

The three main provisos here being Venables having a full preseason, Rioli copping a ban and the recruitment of Kelly.

One thing of concern is how old our rebounding half backs are with not much back up in the WAFL. Watson is 50/50 whether he makes it or not and there is not much else.

I would've thought Cole and Rotham, along with Watson is pretty good half back depth. Rotham could have a breakout year next year with the way he's been tracking. Midfield depth is far more worrying for me.

 

[Ok Boomer]

I would've thought Cole and Rotham, along with Watson is pretty good half back depth. Rotham could have a breakout year next year with the way he's been tracking. Midfield depth is far more worrying for me.

They are, but none of them aside from Watson are your rebounding types.

Cole is better than what he showed in 2019, and I love the potential Rotham has, but I still see a gap there if Hurn or Jetta get injured/get older.

Agree on the midfield depth though, which has been an issue for years. Our five core midfielders have too much load to carry at times.

 

[Max zero]

Not sure we can have NN as solo ruck yet. I know the goal is to have Allen as a chop out but NNs body is just too unreliable at the moment.

 

[beatlesmith]

Not sure we can have NN as solo ruck yet. I know the goal is to have Allen as a chop out but NNs body is just too unreliable at the moment.

Agreed - and tenderising Allen in the ruck for 30-40% of a game is not going to be sustainable.
I'd like to see Bailey Williams get a few games as Naitanui's understudy by the end of 2020. In theory it should be a more complimentary partnership than Naitanui/Hickey or Naitanui/Allen.
Another alternative is to use a combination of players to support NN. I'm thinking along the lines of Darling taking forward 50 ruck contests, Allen taking centre square contests and Barrass/Scho taking defensive 50 contests when NN is on the bench. Trickier to figure out but it would allow us to play one less tall.

 

[WillieNillie]

I can't understand the lack of Schofield or Rotham in defence. We can't let Barass play last man in defence again, he sucks at it. I'd still play Schofield next year and go with

FB: Hurn, Schofield, Sheppard
HB: Jetta, McGovern, Barass
C: Gaff, Yeo, Sheed
HF: Petrucelle, Darling, Cripps
FF: Allen, Kennedy, Ryan
R: Naitanui, Kelly, Shuey
I/C: Duggan, Nelson, Redden, Waterman

 

[ioppolo]

Has Schofield signed a new contract yet? I hope they give him one soon

 

[Ghossein]

FB Swift Swift Swift
HB Swift Swift Swift
C Swift Swift Swift
HF Swift Swift Swift
FF Swift Swift Swift
Fol Swift Swift Swift
int Swift Swift Swift

 

[Worstplayerever]

FB Swift Swift Swift
HB Swift Swift Swift
C Swift Swift Swift
HF Swift Swift Swift
FF Swift Swift Swift
Fol Swift Swift Swift
int Swift Swift Swift

I was a big fan of Tom. Some of the things he did was amazing. Shame he quit. Would of loved to have seen him play on.

 

[Worstplayerever]

FB Sheppard Barrass jetta
HB Hurn McGovern Duggan
C Gaff Kelly Scofield
HF Allen Darling Sheed
FF Ryan Kennedy Cripps
R Naitanui Shuey Yeo
I Redden Nelson Williams Waterman
E Petrucelle Brander Watson

I’ve always focused on team effort and indivual brilliance rather than team positioning and team strategy. But these would be my fav 25.

 

[Worstplayerever]

Honestly venables is either mid or bust.

Both Cameron and petch has shown more HFF skills than him. We are playing venables only on the hope he can turn glimpse of mid skills into full time mid.

No more either mid or bust. Petch and Cameron have gone past him in hff role.

I concur, he has great potential as a mid but isn’t the best forward. Make him earn his spot next year.

 

[Macca81]

Naitanui
Shuey
Yeo
Kelly

= Nsyk

 

[Macca81]

In all seriousness though, this would be my best 22.




This would be my ideal line-up for home games. Wouldnt travel Kennedy for away games at all and in that case, Brander comes into the 22 from the emergency list, Darling moves to full-forward, and Waterman goes to CHF. Brander should get some games at home too with Kennedy having a decent break somewhere in the 2nd half of the season.

There is no backup ruck for this lineup. NicNat with a full pre-season under his belt to ruck 65-70% of the time. When he needs a rest, O.Allen goes into the ruck, and Waterman comes off the bench to play Allens half-forward role.

Redden is 1st midfielder cab off the rank for our wingers, while Hutchings is first centre square midfield cab off the rank.

Watson, Brander and Petrol are emergencies. Cameron has far better skills than Petrucelle for mine and should be prioritized to get games into.

Schofield just holds his spot over Watson, with Watson given games when Schofield needs to manage his body.

 

[Chris_6678]

In all seriousness though, this would be my best 22.

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This would be my ideal line-up for home games. Wouldnt travel Kennedy for away games at all and in that case, Brander comes into the 22 from the emergency list, Darling moves to full-forward, and Waterman goes to CHF. Brander should get some games at home too with Kennedy having a decent break somewhere in the 2nd half of the season.

There is no backup ruck for this lineup. NicNat with a full pre-season under his belt to ruck 65-70% of the time. When he needs a rest, O.Allen goes into the ruck, and Waterman comes off the bench to play Allens half-forward role.

Redden is 1st midfielder cab off the rank for our wingers, while Hutchings is first centre square midfield cab off the rank.

Watson, Brander and Petrol are emergencies. Cameron has far better skills than Petrucelle for mine and should be prioritized to get games into.

Schofield just holds his spot over Watson, with Watson given games when Schofield needs to manage his body.

That centre square is delicious.