Mega Thread Best 22 Season 2012

[legend166]

I don't have Morton in our 18, but I can understand the thinking of those that do. On talent alone, he'd be in our top 10, and his inability to get a game at the Tigers was due to more than just playing ability. He wasn't happy, the coaches weren't happy with him, it just wasn't working. If the Swans have targeted him, it suggests that the coaches are probably willing to give him a fair go at it.

For comparison, Rhyce Shaw was in and out of a fairly meh Collingwood side, and we got him for a downgrade of pick 46 to pick 61, which is worth not much more than pick 79. He was into our best 22 immediately and came 2nd in the B&F.

Similarly, Teddy was in and out of a crappy Essendon side. We traded for him and he played 23 games when in 2006 when we were the reigning premiers.

 

[the_jam]

I don't get it.

Just about everyone seems to have Morton in their best 18.

I think it is quite natural for people to want Morton in the side---we all hope he is another Shaw or Teddy, and, as has already been said, those two show we can turn around a player with talent.

But I have to say, I agree with you in that I am surprise there is not more excitement about Parker. We have a few young guns I know. So maybe Reid, AJ and to some extent Mitchell are hogging the young-gun-excitement-pool or something. And I am an AFL layman (I still think Jets is going to make a great wingman next year, but why I think that is beyond me to explain). But Parker moves well, plays with a strong core, breaking tackles. He is a forward that can rotate through the inside-middle. And he is a baby still, so big upside.

The question becomes, can the team have both? And what do we have to give up? I mean Lamb plays in the forward pocket too and a lot of people want to see him in the seniors next year. TDL and Nipper and…

 

[Super sub]

I don't have Morton in our 18, but I can understand the thinking of those that do. On talent alone, he'd be in our top 10, and his inability to get a game at the Tigers was due to more than just playing ability. He wasn't happy, the coaches weren't happy with him, it just wasn't working. If the Swans have targeted him, it suggests that the coaches are probably willing to give him a fair go at it.

For comparison, Rhyce Shaw was in and out of a fairly meh Collingwood side, and we got him for a downgrade of pick 46 to pick 61, which is worth not much more than pick 79. He was into our best 22 immediately and came 2nd in the B&F.

IMO Shaw is not a reasonable comparison. When rhyce left collingwood he was in their best 22. He had just played 20 games and averaged over 20possessions. In a side that went to the 2nd week of the finals ( the same as us that year).

Mitch played 9 games in a side that came 12th.

On talent alone Nick Davis would have won 2 brownlows

 

[TheMase]

Mitch also withdrew himself from selection due to personal issues, so I think you can take his 2011 with a grain of salt.

Will have a far more developed team around him at the Swans. If he can pick up his work-rate and the defensive side of his game, he will be a success for us. I don't think you can really question the attacking side of his game, nor his ability as a forward or really a rotating mid.

 

[MVP_PaulRoos]

I'm surprised at the lack of love for TDL in this thread. He's a natural forward, and is perfect for us so long as he has a couple of bigger, key forwards taking the attention of the better key defenders (right now I'm hoping the other 2 forwards will be Sam Reid and Tommy Walsh). Admittedly though, I don't watch the reserves, so I can't judge his form there, I just keep hearing he's kicking bags of 6 and 7.

So do you guys think TDL should be a part of our long-term plans or not?

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

I think he should be in our long term plans, I remember he and White working quite well together towards the end of the 2010 season but for some reason we didn't persist with that combination.

My best 22 is partially based on what I believe we're likely to go with, not necessarily who I think should be in the team myself. The coaches think he needs to do more, so I suppose he's a fair way off in their eyes.

 

[GotTheGoodes]

I've been a big supporter of the Jesse/TDL/Reid fowardline for a long time now. I think Jesse can & will be something very special given a permenant role and something to aim at rather than being thrown around. TDL has a fantastic ability to get other players in the game also IMO. I saw players who generally where "out of the game" get "in" the game via a TDL possession a couple of times and thought his assist work was quite good.

I agree on the Mitch Morton points that on potential alone he should be in the top 15. I think we give him a crack & hope he lives up to the potential we all know he has. Just like Jesse though, if it doesn't work out straight away do we try plan B then C or stick with plan A?

 

[swansfan51]

I agree on the Mitch Morton points that on potential alone he should be in the top 15. I think we give him a crack & hope he lives up to the potential we all know he has. Just like Jesse though, if it doesn't work out straight away do we try plan B then C or stick with plan A?

There is a very large difference between them. Morton has demonstrated sustained A grade performance at AFL level and we are hoping he again reaches that level. White has never demonstrated this but we are continuing to hope he does at some point.

 

[CAS79]

There is a very large difference between them. Morton has demonstrated sustained A grade performance at AFL level and we are hoping he again reaches that level. White has never demonstrated this but we are continuing to hope he does at some point.

When was this?

 

[swans4eva]

I think Mitch Morton will prove his doubters with his time at the Swans. If you ignore his 2011, then he had games in 09/10 where he kicked five goals or so and had nearly thirty disposals. He can definitely play and fits with Horse's desire for players to play in more than one position. As much as I love TDL, Morton is a better option. It's hard to believe also that he's under 25.

 

[swansfan51]

When was this?

Watch the last half of 2009. Well ahead of anything White has ever delivered

 

[Super sub]

I think Mitch Morton will prove his doubters with his time at the Swans. If you ignore his 2011, then he had games in 09/10 where he kicked five goals or so and had nearly thirty disposals. He can definitely play and fits with Horse's desire for players to play in more than one position. As much as I love TDL, Morton is a better option. It's hard to believe also that he's under 25.

The question that keeps nagging away in my head is if Mitch Morton is as good as everyone here thinks he is then why did the Tigers let him go. It's not like they have excess talent. What was it again that they wanted for him, pick 79 I think.

I know every club thinks they can turn a player around, but that scenario includes the tigers and they gave up on him. Why?

My suggestion before everyone adds this guy to their 22 is to wait and see. Yes I know if he puts in the hard yards and commits to the team ethos then he will be a success, but then that could be said for an awful lot of footballers who never make it.

 

[BarneyBent]

The question that keeps nagging away in my head is if Mitch Morton is as good as everyone here thinks he is then why did the Tigers let him go. It's not like they have excess talent. What was it again that they wanted for him, pick 79 I think.

I know every club thinks they can turn a player around, but that scenario includes the tigers and they gave up on him. Why?

My suggestion before everyone adds this guy to their 22 is to wait and see. Yes I know if he puts in the hard yards and commits to the team ethos then he will be a success, but then that could be said for an awful lot of footballers who never make it.

How much did Collingwood ask for Shaw?

Sometimes, when a player isn't the right fit and wants to go, the club just lets him go without haggling too much over the price. Morton had withdrawn himself from selection, he was clearly doing through some hard times off the field, and he and Richmond obviously weren't going to work out. That doesn't mean that he won't work out elsewhere. It also doesn't mean that he WILL work out with us. It's just that the pick we gave for him doesn't necessarily reflect his worth to US, only his worth to Richmond, which was nothing as he didn't want to be there, and they could get a footballer out of him.

 

[DerpWerls]

Can't understand why anyone would complain about Morton, he won't be gifted and games at the Swans, on talent alone he was easily in our best 22 players and potentially amongst the Swans best 22 also and best of all you gave up nothing to get him!

As it has been said Tigers did Mitch a favour by getting him to Sydney and based on past successes I would have thought your club should be able to get the most out of him.

 

[Caj]

The question that keeps nagging away in my head is if Mitch Morton is as good as everyone here thinks he is then why did the Tigers let him go. It's not like they have excess talent. What was it again that they wanted for him, pick 79 I think.

I know every club thinks they can turn a player around, but that scenario includes the tigers and they gave up on him. Why?

My suggestion before everyone adds this guy to their 22 is to wait and see. Yes I know if he puts in the hard yards and commits to the team ethos then he will be a success, but then that could be said for an awful lot of footballers who never make it.

St Kilda delisted Brent Guerra at the end of 2005, didnt even trade him. He has gone on to play 120 games at the Hawks including the 2007 premiership.

Sometimes things don't work out for clubs and certain players and its better for both to part ways.

On talent Morton would be in our top 10 and plays in a position where we are desperately short in class, there's obviously still a big ? as to whether he can put it all together. People are optimistic that a good culture and his final chance at the swans will do the trick

 

[Swanhotels]

Nick Smith Heath Grundy Alex Johnson

Nick Malceski Ted Richards Heath Shaw

Dan Hannerbery Jude Bolton Josh Kennedy

Gary Rohan Sam Reid Adam Goodes

Mitch Morton Tommy Walsh Luke Parker

Ruck: Mumford Mcveigh Jack

Int Armstrong, Jetta, Bird, (Lamb Sub)

Emrg White, Gordon, Mattner

TDL, Spanger, Jetta, Pyke, LRT, Seaby, Mitchell - pushing for selection.

Backs - ive gone with a bit of the same as last year why change it when we were one of the stingiest backlines on the comp? The only change would be having Armstrong coming off the bench for a bit more run off half back, he will inject some much needed pace and good kicking skills which we lack.

Mids - Happy with our mids, the only thing we lack is a bit of pace in there, id like to see Rohan rotated through there along with Lamb. Parker will rotate through the foward line with which ever mid is in need of rest.

Forwards - I think we are looking really good here. I like the half forward line of Reid, Rohan, Goodes, this should give any side some serious headaches. Id like to see Goodes operating from the wing drifting into the forward line, I thought he played that sort of role during the final against St Kilda really well. These 3 give a great mix of height and speed on the half forward line. With regards to the pockets and full forward, ive gone with Walsh at full forward however it was touch and go with him and Jessie, I think Jessie still can come good for us and be a big part of the future, it is about this sort of age big forwards start to come good, look at Hawkins and Cloke. Ive picked Mitch Morton in the forward line as we really need to find some natural goal kickers in this position if we are to be any kind of threat on the flag. Ive picked him on the proviso that he is switched on and his attitude has improved. Failing an attitude adjustment id like to see TDL get another go.

Int - I think Jetta can take improve this pre season and give us the X factor the we need and justify why we traded him in at pick 14. Armstrong to roam around half back, Bird to do tagging duties and Lamb as sub to work his way into AFL footy!!

I recon we are going to finish top 4 and will be disappointed with anything less.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

nick smith heath grundy alex johnson

nick malceski ted richards heath shaw

dan hannerbery jude bolton josh kennedy

gary rohan sam reid adam goodes

mitch morton tommy walsh luke parker

ruck: Mumford mcveigh jack

int armstrong, jetta, bird, (lamb sub)

emrg white, gordon, mattner

tdl, spanger, jetta, pyke, lrt, seaby, mitchell - pushing for selection.

Backs - ive gone with a bit of the same as last year why change it when we were one of the stingiest backlines on the comp? The only change would be having armstrong coming off the bench for a bit more run off half back, he will inject some much needed pace and good kicking skills which we lack.

Mids - happy with our mids, the only thing we lack is a bit of pace in there, id like to see rohan rotated through there along with lamb. Parker will rotate through the foward line with which ever mid is in need of rest.

Forwards - i think we are looking really good here. I like the half forward line of reid, rohan, goodes, this should give any side some serious headaches. Id like to see goodes operating from the wing drifting into the forward line, i thought he played that sort of role during the final against st kilda really well. These 3 give a great mix of height and speed on the half forward line. With regards to the pockets and full forward, ive gone with walsh at full forward however it was touch and go with him and jessie, i think jessie still can come good for us and be a big part of the future, it is about this sort of age big forwards start to come good, look at hawkins and cloke. Ive picked mitch morton in the forward line as we really need to find some natural goal kickers in this position if we are to be any kind of threat on the flag. Ive picked him on the proviso that he is switched on and his attitude has improved. Failing an attitude adjustment id like to see tdl get another go.

Int - i think jetta can take improve this pre season and give us the x factor the we need and justify why we traded him in at pick 14. Armstrong to roam around half back, bird to do tagging duties and lamb as sub to work his way into afl footy!!

I recon we are going to finish top 4 and will be disappointed with anything less.

wtf???

 

[TheGoatBaron]

We have 2 Shaws now? Awesome.

 

[drivative]

Apart from that oversight swanhotels, I like it, including the provisos for Mitch Morton and Tommy Walsh, and their back-ups.
One problem though is who gives Mummy a rest.

 

[Swanhotels]

Apart from that oversight swanhotels, I like it, including the provisos for Mitch Morton and Tommy Walsh, and their back-ups.
One problem though is who gives Mummy a rest.

Apparently we are picking up Heath Shaw in the pre season draft, haven’t you heard? But seriously not sure what I was thinking there, I really didnt read over my work at all in this instance, of course I meant Ryce Shaw.

Anyway Walsh is the resting ruckman, he filled that role pretty well for Sandringham so I see no reason why he cant do the same for us. He cant be much worse the LRT.

 

[Super sub]

St Kilda delisted Brent Guerra at the end of 2005, didnt even trade him. He has gone on to play 120 games at the Hawks including the 2007 premiership.

Sometimes things don't work out for clubs and certain players and its better for both to part ways.

On talent Morton would be in our top 10 and plays in a position where we are desperately short in class, there's obviously still a big ? as to whether he can put it all together. People are optimistic that a good culture and his final chance at the swans will do the trick

For every player that had gone on to better things at other clubs there are two who didn't.

I am hoping like everyone that he comes good, but I am not as optimistic as everyone else that all will be roses.

Hope your right and I am proven to be just an old pessimist

 

[Swanhotels]

For every player that had gone on to better things at other clubs there are two who didn't.

I am hoping like everyone that he comes good, but I am not as optimistic as everyone else that all will be roses.

Hope your right and I am proven to be just an old pessimist

Is that a stat or opinion?

 

[Super sub]

Is that a stat or opinion?

Opinion, based on watching and playing over 40 years.

The swans who everyone marvels at over their success rate has as many failures as we do successes.

 

[baja]

Can't understand why anyone would complain about Morton, he won't be gifted and games at the Swans, on talent alone he was easily in our best 22 players and potentially amongst the Swans best 22 also and best of all you gave up nothing to get him!

As it has been said Tigers did Mitch a favour by getting him to Sydney and based on past successes I would have thought your club should be able to get the most out of him.

would it be fair to say he was out of favor with the coaching staff or the playing group? or both? I saw a few games when he came off the bench and made instant impact with his Stevie J type snaps.. they just seemed reluctant to play him.

 

[CAS79]

Watch the last half of 2009. Well ahead of anything White has ever delivered

you'll notice my issue was with the word sustained.

Morton has had moments and a game or two together were he has played A grade football. but that has never being sustained, even in the second half of 2009. he always reverts to being an also ran.

It's not a criticism for his selection, we gave up very little of him but Morton has been a major under achiever and played an individual role at times against the game plan. to suggest he has shown a consistent run of top notch football is just not accurate. He needs to demonstrate himself to step up in the NAB cup or dominate performance in the ressies early in the season to get a gig in the seniors.