Best Team For 09

[greatwhiteshark]

You don't rate Schofield GWS?

Yes I do but not sure where he would play or which spot he would take. Yes we could remove Stenglein but experience is also required. Hunter?? adds flexibility.

Look schofield will be around the mark and its just my view on what side we need to go forward with barring injuries which no doubt we will still get.

I am very much of the mould of rebuilding a positive exciting side instead of a boring defensive outfit which we became.

Unfortunately they all can't fit in and many on here have far different sides to mine.

Virtually everyside on here has Priddis in it and I don't, Staker is in most and not in mine. hansen is in many and not in mine.

They are jusr views and opinions.

After all history suggests that Woosha will play 22 backman in round 1 so they are just opinions.

I think our list is not that bad but we must rebuild an exciting game plan and thats why i have no players like Fletcher, Priddis whop can not execute quality skills.

I like everyones sides, and its a good thread to see other peoples views on our set up.

 

[Black Ball]

Just imagine how good Palmer would look in your best team for 09 and just think he could've been there.

 

[wce_all_da_way]

We turned the ball over enough going forward this year, looks better without him.

 

[Marlin01]

Fair enough. I certainly think it would be good to see West Coast play a more attacking style of football. It's a bit strange that we haven't in the past, because we have so many players who can kick the ball long. I guess a star forward would help matters. Maybe Kennedy or Brown will stand up.

 

[Obeanie1]

You want to see Masten spend more time in the WAFL?

Surely we'd rather see him playing for the Eagles.

Masten will be coming back from groin surgery. He will have a fairly interupted pre-season and we shouldn't take any chances with any of the young guys who have groin / OP issues. (This includes Ebert)

If Ebert / Masten / Scooter get another 8 - 12 games next year it means we don't have the injury curse of 2008 forcing our hand and we can manage their development and any rehab.

 

[Obeanie1]

B- Stenglein - Glass - B. Jones
HB- Waters - Hunter - Hurn
C- Embley- Butler - Rosa
HF-Lynch - Kennedy - Ebert
F- LeCras - McKinley - Masten

R- Cox A.Selwood Kerr
Int- MacNamara - Seaby - Wilkes - Nickoski


Side has a bit more zip in it, a lot more class and football ability, less taggers and defensive players. more creativity and a genuine spine.

Thats my view.

Not a bad effort with plenty of meritt. Pridis as a tagger I'm not so sure of, he sure doesn't have the pace to keep up with the quicker players. Hurn to me could be an awsome tagger, would be great if he got a bit of mongrel in him as he is a HUGE man, Gary Aires Mk II.

I really like Waters on a HFF, he can play as our defensive HFF and hunt (and I mean HUNT) the oppositions rebounding HBF as well as scare three shades of poo out of any oppostion backman who thinks they have time on their hands. How good would Waters v Hodge be? Waters is good overhead and adds real pressure up forward.

So I'd shuffle Embely to a HBF, Lynch onto the wing and Waters to HFF. Lynch and Masten can then play mind games by swapping on the wing / FP a couple of times to cause a mismatch forward.

 

[Kerrby04]

B: Selwood Glass Jones
HB: Embley Wilkes Stenglien
C: Ebert Priddis Hurn
HF: LeCras Kennedy Lynch
F: Wirrpanda Brown McKinley
R: Cox Kerr Masten
INT: Seaby Waters Staker Butler
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EMR: Rosa, Hunter, Butler, Draft 2
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[Bestbird]

Selwood - Glass - Jones
Nicoski - Hunter - Waters
Embley - Fletcher - Rosa
Staker - Hansen - LeCras
Wirra - Lynch - Mckinley

Cox - Kerr -Priddis

Seaby - Stenglien - Hurn - S Butler


The above is probably the most experienced side the club could put on the park and all have performed to a high level in the past

I would hope that in 09 the majority of these players will be either under pressure to retain their spots or be surpassed by younger players based on form

 

[Masten2McKinley]

FB: S.Hurn D.Glass B.Jones
HB: A.Selwood A.Hunter* B.Waters
C: A.Embley D.Kerr Q.Lynch
HF B.Ebert J.Kennedy M.Lecreas
FF D.Wirrapunda M.Brown B.Mckinley
R Cox Priddis Masten
INTER Butler Seaby** Staker M.Rosa

* I can see Mzenzie taking Hunters spot later on in the year. This is not including this years draft picks as i dont believe they will step up straight away in to our best 22.

** Scofield may replace him as we are unsure if we want to take 2 rucks in

 

[Masten2McKinley]

Just imagine how good Palmer would look in your best team for 09 and just think he could've been there.

hahah nah mate happy with Masten and Rich

 

[Masten2McKinley]

B- Stenglein - Glass - B. Jones
HB- Waters - Hunter - Hurn
C- Embley- Butler - Rosa
HF-Lynch - Kennedy - Ebert
F- LeCras - McKinley - Masten

R- Cox A.Selwood Kerr
Int- MacNamara - Seaby - Wilkes - Nickoski

1) Stenglein has passed his use by date as a midfielder but adds experience and poise to our backline. Hurn Waters and Bones add run out of the backline.

2) Embley is best suited as a wingman, he is attacking and also can go back if needed. Butler and Rosa are both class acts and we need class acts around the guts of the ground.

3) We should build our forward line around Mckinley and Kennedy and give thema good go at it. But we must set up better in the forward line which we for some reason ahve never been able to grasp no matter who is coach. Lynch best work is always up the ground, Masten and LeCras give us bite at the fall of the ball.

4) Cox and Seaby to stay as ruckmen pending on who we draft. Adam Selwood is wasted as a tagger and now needsw to become a midfielder in his own right. Kerr is obvious

5)Bench is a raffle other than Seaby and many others could fit in there but thats who I went.

Left out were Priddis, can't kick, can't handball, can't create. Great ball getter and if anything should be turned into a fulltime tagger and release Selwood who can create.

Staker has had too many chances and is just not good enough. But Woosha will play him as well as Fletcher.

Obviuously did not include any drafted players as we don't know who they are yet but maybe Nat or Rich could get in. Houlihan and Davis as well as Spangher and Mckenzie could all play roles during the year.

Side has a bit more zip in it, a lot more class and football ability, less taggers and defensive players. more creativity and a genuine spine.

Thats my view.

Hey mate agree with Priddis but atm i think he is needed in the side but i expect Mcnara to take over his place in the team.

Masten in a FP is crap imo we tryied him there early in the season and it failed, get him in the think of it.

Mckinkley as our third tall would work a treat and give Brown a go at FF

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Hey mate agree with Priddis but atm i think he is needed in the side but i expect Mcnara to take over his place in the team.

Masten in a FP is crap imo we tryied him there early in the season and it failed, get him in the think of it.

Mckinkley as our third tall would work a treat and give Brown a go at FF

Masten would change with Kerr through the midfield so he would be in the thick of it.
maybe your right re Mckinley but he has done enough in my view to warrant starting as our full forward and be given a real go at it.
Brown still has it all to do in my view, I know he is coming back from a big injury and he may well be a star of the future but to this point he has not shown enough before his injury to jump straight in. Hopefully things go his way in 2009.
Our forward structure is the critical part of 2009, not who actually plays there but how we actually set up.

 

[wambat]

Stinga , would be unable to match up with any BP player in the comp.. He is just to slow now.....Swap him for nicoski... Id like to rotate Ebert and mastern through the midfield giving both parties the experiance we need them to gather over the coming years. Rosa to bench and Butler to the wing, his could also provide us with skill and cleaness accross half forward.....With everyone fits it certaintly provides the club with good options.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Stinga , would be unable to match up with any BP player in the comp.. He is just to slow now.....Swap him for nicoski... Id like to rotate Ebert and mastern through the midfield giving both parties the experiance we need them to gather over the coming years. Rosa to bench and Butler to the wing, his could also provide us with skill and cleaness accross half forward.....With everyone fits it certaintly provides the club with good options.

If Stinga is to slow then his career is over. Nickoski makes to many errors while Stinga can play tall as well as small. he is a good mark and has good judgement and is reliable in my view.

The other thing on both Masten and Ebert running through the midfield is a must. I would also like to see Kerr now and again given small patches in a forward pocket when not on the ball. He could be a dangerous player around the goals.
I would rotate through the bench and forward pocket Kerr, Masten and Macnamara.
Selwood, Ebert, Lecras and Nickoski through the middle/HF/FP and bench.

 

[EastPete]

The list below is the AFL rankings of WCE players. No excuses, no subjective judgements. These are facts. We had one player in the top 10 and 2 in the top 100. 2 of our top 13 players will not be playing next year. We seriously need to change things around. I suspect radical changes are needed in coaching and management. We are seeing a bit of this but is it enough? With these rankings no team you pick will, over the course of the season, get us off the bottom 4.

Cox 6
Lynch 67
Priddis 118
Adam Selwood 126
Stenglein 186
Fletcher 192
Wirrpanda 200
Braun 218
Nikoski 239
Mckinley 270
BJones 278
Ebert 282
Armstrong 298
Glass 302
Staker 303
Kerr 310
Hanson 320
Seaby 334
MacNamara 340
Wilkes 341
Hunter 342
LeCras 360
Masten 362
Rosa 372
Waters 380
Davis 400
Kennedy 412
S Selwood 417
Houlihan 421
McKenzie 425
Schofield 431
Butler 453
Hurn 464
Spangher 465
Graham 469
Jones 503
Notte 568


Source: Final Siren.com

 

[worsfold]

Those number are based on stats only.
You are interpreting them to say Armstrong is a better player than Kerr.

Cox is the best Ruckmen in the Comp
kerr is in the top 10 midfielders if not top 5
Glass was the best full back until last year
Mckinley was in the top 20 goals scores for the year
priddis would be in the top 10 clearance players for the year
Seelwood is a top line tagger

Stats don't tell the right story

 

[Embers]

FB: Nicoski Glass Waters
HB: Bones Hunter Hurn
C: Butler Kerr A.Selwood
HF: Ebert Kennedy Wirra
FF: LeCras Brown McKinley
C: Cox Masten Staker
I/C: Priddis Lynch Rosa Embley

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

The list below is the AFL rankings of WCE players. No excuses, no subjective judgements. These are facts.

So what are "the facts"?

A website applied a formula to assign a numerical value to every player, and that's a definitive measure of how good they are?

Too often on BigFooty, people claim to be presenting "the facts" when they're actually not.

These numbers aren't any more "the facts" than Dreamteam scores?

 

[Black Ball]

hahah nah mate happy with Masten and Rich

You may well be happy with Masten but you wont have Rich.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

You may well be happy with Masten but you wont have Rich.

This isn't a thread about drafting choices. If you want to start another Masten vs Palmer or Naitanui vs Rich argument do it somewhere else, preferably Bay 13.

 

[Loud Eagle]

FB: S.Hurn D.Glass B.Jones
HB: A.Selwood A.Hunter* B.Waters
C: A.Embley D.Kerr Q.Lynch
HF B.Ebert J.Kennedy M.Lecreas
FF D.Wirrapunda M.Brown B.Mckinley
R Cox Priddis Masten
INTER Butler Seaby** Staker M.Rosa

I think this is the best team posted in this thread so far IMO, you get my vote M2M

 

[Obeanie1]

Hey mate agree with Priddis but atm i think he is needed in the side but i expect Mcnara to take over his place in the team.

Masten in a FP is crap imo we tryied him there early in the season and it failed, get him in the think of it.

Mckinkley as our third tall would work a treat and give Brown a go at FF

Come on M2M, based on your highlighted comment can I assume that anything a first year player was tried at in 2008 and failed is crap?

2008 was a total root. You cannot say that a first year player with less than 10 games failed anything, they are there to learn what the big league is all about.

Throwing Masten into the thick of it will get him closer to the action yes but the guy is managing OP and is coming back from a groin operation and please remember he'll be what 19 next year?

In the long run he'll be a mid, over the next 2 years I don't see any problem with him playing parts of a game as a small forward, who knows he may well surprise us

 

[EastPete]

These rankings are based on real results that point to how well players performed. These are more valid than someone's subjective view of how good they think a player is. For example the stats show that Cox is the best ruckman in the competition and Jimmy Bartel is the best player overall followed by Joel Corey. Not unreasonable. It is very dangerous to ignore stats but they certainly don't reveal the full story. But these stats give a pretty good idea why we finished second last having been beaten by the bottom team. We have a long way to go. This means players being fit enough to perform and mature enough not to get rubbed out.

 

[Obeanie1]

Stinga , would be unable to match up with any BP player in the comp.. He is just to slow now.....Swap him for nicoski... Id like to rotate Ebert and mastern through the midfield giving both parties the experiance we need them to gather over the coming years. Rosa to bench and Butler to the wing, his could also provide us with skill and cleaness accross half forward.....With everyone fits it certaintly provides the club with good options.

Stinga is easily 10 times the BP player than Nicoski. Why? Because all those years being one of the best taggers in the business he learned how to put his body between the play / the ball and the player he's standing. He is good overhead and below the knees, can tackle and has a hell of lot more smarts and poise than Nicoski.

Next year I see Stinga playing BP with a run on the ball / tagging every know and again, he could easily rotate with A Selwood through the middle as our defensive mid.

 

[Black Ball]

This isn't a thread about drafting choices. If you want to start another Masten vs Palmer or Naitanui vs Rich argument do it somewhere else, preferably Bay 13.

It is merely a statement that will eventually prove to be fact. What has it got to do with you anyway.