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Bevan AND McVeigh finally standing up
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Bevan still hopeless. Loves letting the ball get over the back and letting his opponent run onto it.
McVeigh - Brilliant... and kicking goals. Who would have thought.
McVeigh - Brilliant... and kicking goals. Who would have thought.
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Though not a big fan of Bevan, his hardness is what is needed atm and thats where i see why Roos has kept him in the squad. Had he been as soft as marsh mellows he would have been dropped 2 years ago.
I'm still gobsmacked at how all the McVeigh haters have all of a sudden become big fans yet fail to admit they were wrong! It's been funny to read. If he does end up have a stellar season this year across all 22 games i want a public apology from all teh RWO morons for rubbishing him.
And i still think we should refrain from calling him McHack.
Do you know McVeigh or something? We've had a few people on here claim that they knew Swans players and most of the time it wasn't true. *cough* footy block *cough*.
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No i don't. It's just for 3 years while he was a developing player all he copped was cheap shots and negativity. Sure he wasn't his best but ____ he is a developing player, he is young and some players take time to mature. His body was still not strong and didn't have the motor. But still he kept getting bagged to the point it got ridiculous, while a slow 1 dimensional player like Nick Davis was never touched even when he did f all..if we lost then McVeigh would be the one to cop the full brunt of it as it was his fault. Week in Week out without fail.
Not every hight draft pick develops or is a gun as soon as they make their debut, everyone is different and I know that Bevan along with McVeigh is Roosys special project.
Even his brother has taken years to be the gun player he is atm. Our McVeigh will eventually be a 200+ game player and will be a gun. He is still young and now is maturing well enough to be given more responsibility.
I don't be think it was fair to single him out every week. Yeah maybe Leo Barry or some of the more veteran players, but not a young developing player.
Did i make my point across in regards to him being a developing player?
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It's a nickname. I really don't get it, it was said in spite a while ago but isn't anymore. We were all doubters of McVeigh, to certain extents, and yeah, we've been proved wrong. But if you look back hard enough and not just look at posts selectively which suit your agenda, you'll see we've been baracking for players to be selected on their own merits.
McVEigh has done that, and hats off to him.
I like calling him McHack. He's in the very special group of "one of Nat's top 5 players", so it's not a dig. It's just a bit of fun.
Beven - Still Rubbish, he's just keeping Schmidt's spot on the bench warm as far as I'm concerned.
McVeigh - Been impressed with him this year. looks to have worked hard in the off season on his skills and fitness. I'm still not sold though, want to see him produce his last couple of games throughout the year.
Still, it's very pleasing to see one of our younger but experianced players stepping up for the future.
McVeigh - Been impressed with him this year. looks to have worked hard in the off season on his skills and fitness. I'm still not sold though, want to see him produce his last couple of games throughout the year.
Still, it's very pleasing to see one of our younger but experianced players stepping up for the future.
I think part of Macca's problem (in some fan's eyes) is that we've never really seen him playing in what I see as his natural role for the club. As a young player he's had squeeze his way into a successful Grand Final winning lineup - and we've often seen him struggling with the jobs given to him. Although he can tackle well, he's not really an in and under player. And although he can play accountable footy, his own game vanishes a bit when he's given this sort of negative run-with role.
TheMase pointed out that in 2008 he's been playing the sort of role that Fosdike made his own for us. And that about sums it up. Fosdike's crucial role in our makeup over the years was overlooked by many (probably still is). And some of the poisonous stuff Fossie has copped really should class him as Macca's mentor at the club.
I see Macca as a very similar player for us. He has always been at his best for us when he's allowed to leave his man and use his run to provide an option. I'm not sure who pointed it out earleir in this thread, but Fossie's impact in the 2005 GF was immense. And I see that Macca will grow and grow into a very similar player for us over the next few years.
Some might say we shouldn't judge him on just 3 games. But I say we're seeing signs of what he could easily become for us. And considering the hate mail across the boards I've seen about him over the years I'll give him a Thumbs up for his perseverance
TheMase pointed out that in 2008 he's been playing the sort of role that Fosdike made his own for us. And that about sums it up. Fosdike's crucial role in our makeup over the years was overlooked by many (probably still is). And some of the poisonous stuff Fossie has copped really should class him as Macca's mentor at the club.
I see Macca as a very similar player for us. He has always been at his best for us when he's allowed to leave his man and use his run to provide an option. I'm not sure who pointed it out earleir in this thread, but Fossie's impact in the 2005 GF was immense. And I see that Macca will grow and grow into a very similar player for us over the next few years.
Some might say we shouldn't judge him on just 3 games. But I say we're seeing signs of what he could easily become for us. And considering the hate mail across the boards I've seen about him over the years I'll give him a Thumbs up for his perseverance
Tennis Star, chill dude. We're all friends here. Mcveigh's progression from ugly duckling to majestic swan has been long and frustrating for your passionate swans fan. He's not the first swans player I've bagged on here and he wont be the last. I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about him. I'm sorry Mchack
However, it'll take more than 2 good games (I still think he sucked v the saints) to get him completely clear of my doghouse.
Like Roos, I have a soft spot for Bevan. Still want him dropped now though. Too many good players in front of him for mine.
I was going to suggest that perhaps these two, and others like LRT, get a few favours from the selection committee because they are New South Welshman. Then I remembered they traded Schneider and dropped Davis so I'm not sure I can defend that stance.
However, it'll take more than 2 good games (I still think he sucked v the saints) to get him completely clear of my doghouse.
Like Roos, I have a soft spot for Bevan. Still want him dropped now though. Too many good players in front of him for mine.
I was going to suggest that perhaps these two, and others like LRT, get a few favours from the selection committee because they are New South Welshman. Then I remembered they traded Schneider and dropped Davis so I'm not sure I can defend that stance.
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I think what was most disappointing with McVeigh last year in particular was a lack of gut running. He came to the club with a reputation for having elite endurance. He can be excused for not showing that in his first year or two because he was injured in his last U18 year and then would have been working hard to put some bulk on. But by last year he had been in the system long enough to capitalise on this natural asset, yet he didn't seem to.
It's hard to know if he's doing it now because of the absence of Fosdike and being given a different role, or if it's just finally clicked to him that that is what he needs to do. And he's doing it well. Not just running hard but running to all the right spots too.
And without knocking Fosdike, I think McVeigh has the potential to do the role better because his disposal is a bit more purposeful and creative. Indeed, what has stopped Fosdike from being considered a very good mid is that too many of his disposals don't really hurt the opposition.
It's hard to know if he's doing it now because of the absence of Fosdike and being given a different role, or if it's just finally clicked to him that that is what he needs to do. And he's doing it well. Not just running hard but running to all the right spots too.
And without knocking Fosdike, I think McVeigh has the potential to do the role better because his disposal is a bit more purposeful and creative. Indeed, what has stopped Fosdike from being considered a very good mid is that too many of his disposals don't really hurt the opposition.
Mchacks disposal has been insipid ever since he started,he was recruited as a runner not a footballer.
He certainly has never been creative and has constantly missed targets,including set shots at goal from inside 30.
Having said all that he has improved amazingly in the last fortnight and has even kicked goals from set shots.All he needs to do now is be consistant and start holding tackles.
rancidpants13
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well, three games in a row and i think he's been a bit better every time
he was good again the other night, what can i say?
i'm still going with mcvague, but as i've said for months, if he stands up, i'll be first to praise him
and praise him i have
Bevan for captain IMO.
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Haha, I always had faith in McVeigh. He has decent skills in terms of evading tackles, disposals etc - he's just really bad defensively and prone to being down on confidence. Now that he's put in a Fosdike role - see how much that changed him and we have been rewarded for the past two weeks against very decent opposition.
I've also had my issues with the disposal skills of Fosdike (second worst effective disposal% behind Luke Brennan), so we seem to be killing two birds with one stone.
As for Bevan, he and Jack are basically eating up Matthews and Crouch's minutes so I think they are both doing well.
I've also had my issues with the disposal skills of Fosdike (second worst effective disposal% behind Luke Brennan), so we seem to be killing two birds with one stone.
As for Bevan, he and Jack are basically eating up Matthews and Crouch's minutes so I think they are both doing well.
rancidpants13
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firstly, there was never any hate, feller
there was over-riding disappointment, certainly from my position, coz i had such high expectations of him for so long ... as i've said, i was a big supporter when he came into the team but he kept letting us all down
secondly, what the FCK is wrong with changing our minds??? so i slagged him off, said he had to step up, and so far he has, am i not allowed to concede that he's improved and praise him for it?
thirdly, it's three games, let's see if we're all saying the same things in a month or by the end of august
fourthly, why would anyone apologise to you? speaking for bedford and myself, two of the loudest critics (NOT "haters"), we've both acknowledged how well he's started the season but he's not paul kelly yet
now, as for bevan, he played a lot better on saturday night but he's still the most vulnerable of our 22 at the moment, although i suspect reg grundy's not far behind
now, how about you acknowledge that we're all entitled to our opinions and stop being a little whiner and spoiling our fun
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what more could i add,i did tip it
TheMase
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Fosdike IS a reasonably player. I didn't say he was poor, nor is he great.
He often gets under the radar of coaches. Normally starts off the bench, and is less likely to receive a tag.
Whilst he gains a lot of the ball, he lets himself down with occasional poor disposal, and probably a less penetrating kick. If he had those attributes, I would label him a 'very very good' player (or great?).
McVeigh is currently playing his role, and is doing an adequate job of it. If he was to improve his disposal he may well go from being 'reasonable' to 'very very good'.
In saying that, Fosdike has played many a great game. The only reason I rate him as reasonable is because he is not as damaging as he could be. That is not to say that he does not have a place in the team (or McVeigh, I can't fault his performances, besides his disposal, at the moment).
I also said the position requires a reasonable player, rather than saying the player themselves are reasonable...
Triple M - Much-Maligned McVeigh.
Last weekend, at 23 years of age, he played his best game as a Swan, imho. Leading the team in clearances is a big stat for 3M. Do the Swans blood players in defensive roles, then unleash them when there's new blood in the side?
I follow US basketball and participate in fan forums "over there", where comments like "MCHACK WILL ALWAYS BE MCHACK" could be construed as HATING perpetrated by a HATER.
There's a developing player named Sam Dalembert (pronounced like Camembert) in the b-ball team that I follow. For two and a half years, some supporters called him Dummybert in the forum. I could see his potential and defended him, only to be branded an apologist.
This season Sammy "D" has been, without doubt, one of the best defensive centers in the competition. Andrew Bogut is one of his many "stooges" and in the last month, Dalembert has stooged Tim Duncan AND Kevin Garnett. No one calls him McHack, I mean, Dummybert anymore. Not even the haters, though they persisted as long as they could.
His tackling was my biggest concern last year. Especially when he'd just turned the ball over.
swannykika
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McV will be around for a loooong time yet. he is a star in the making.
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Lol, sure, that makes lots of sense.
shouldnt we replace him with a ruckman ?
I mean they would offer a lot more in height ?
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