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Roast Bevo pull your ******* head in
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Times up Bevo.
Thanks.
But we need a new direction.
Thanks.
But we need a new direction.
is Bevo the highest paid coach in the AFL? He complains about the soft cap all the time and we cannot afford quality assistants.
if he is in the top 3 that is a joke. As a coach, if you take away his skills as a motivator he would be bottom 3.
club need to realise we have underachieved since 16 and should not accept it anymore
if he is in the top 3 that is a joke. As a coach, if you take away his skills as a motivator he would be bottom 3.
club need to realise we have underachieved since 16 and should not accept it anymore
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Its quite unfortunate that we made the GF last year because it probably bought him more time
Why AFL coaches are at loggerheads with league chiefs
Club chiefs, AFL bosses and players have been compensated after cuts during the height of the COVID lockdowns, but most senior premiership coaches are still earning much less than three years ago.
Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge, another vocal critic of the soft-cap cuts, actually quit the association 18 months ago. At the AFL season launch Beveridge departed immediately after receiving his life membership and refused to attend the meeting between the 18 club coaches and the AFL the following day.
Maybe this is why we have under 12 Aus kick assistant coaches it’s all we can afford now with the new football department soft cap rules. I gather the higher paid the head AFL coach is , there is less money to pay for the assistant coaches
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Yep until we get a new external football director nothing will change. We need a complete clean out of our football development. Excluding Bevo and Power
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All jokes aside how do we move forward here. A spot in the top 8 this year or especially next year will get him another contract, it shouldn’t but it will happen.
He looks so out of touch with the game right now, it’s been 8 years of up and down performances. No consistency whatsoever, never buildings towards something better. Just individual brilliance from players and great motivating from Bevo has willed us over the line in patches, some patches more important than others, and of course will always love him for that but that ship has now sailed.
Mostly middling performances with no top 4 finish with one of the best lists we’ve ever had, admittedly the list has holes but he has a big say in that.
Say what you will about the “S” word but it is a problem, I don’t care if his ideology is 6 talls, 12 talls or 1 tall but the problem I see is I don’t even think he knows. He hasn’t made up his mind on how he wants the team to look in 8 years and it’s a constant chop and change with talls coming in for smalls or smalls coming in for talls. Players playing CHB then on the wing then at FF then back to vfl to play FB then come back into the seniors as a small forward lmao.
This is not conducive to getting a good team gelling together playing cohesive football. No other coach does this and there’s a reason for it. Every other coach has set roles for majority of their players - they know what their job is and they know where they have to improve during the week. When they can’t do it on game day the coach puts them out and gets someone in who can, he doesn’t tinker with the whole game plan to allow the underpeforming player to try his hand somewhere else on the ground.
His whole football ideology is completely out of whack right now, and I think we only move forward with him gone because he has shown zero ability to adapt when things have gone against him. Zero.
Unfortunately I think he only goes when he wants and I can see him sticking around for some time yet.
The best thing to do for this club right now is to write off this year, fast track the development of key players to our future, Jamarra Darcy Bedendo etc, let Bev see out the year and go out on his terms - if anyone wants to leave I don’t care who let them **** off, hit the draft hard and not rebuild but pivot and realign our list a little bit, built around the top class core we have.
Moves need to be made right now before it’s too late and we find ourselves on a steep decline with nothing to show with it. Imagine the talents that would be putting their hand up to work with this list with a clean slate
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Why AFL coaches are at loggerheads with league chiefs
Club chiefs, AFL bosses and players have been compensated after cuts during the height of the COVID lockdowns, but most senior premiership coaches are still earning much less than three years ago.www.theage.com.au
Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge, another vocal critic of the soft-cap cuts, actually quit the association 18 months ago. At the AFL season launch Beveridge departed immediately after receiving his life membership and refused to attend the meeting between the 18 club coaches and the AFL the following day.
Maybe this is why we have under 12 Aus kick assistant coaches it’s all we can afford now with the new football department soft cap rules. I gather the higher paid the head AFL coach is , there is less money to pay for the assistant coaches
I don't blame him tbh. He's not the only one who is pissed off. What would you do if your boss cut your pay and then expected you to do the same job with fewer resources?
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You do realise there's a bit more to AFL strategy than how many talls you select, yeah? I can't tell if this is a running joke at this point.
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Ahh why’d I even bother trying to have a sensible discussion lmao.
Yes clearly, I even touched on that in the post you quoted mate. Quite clearly this goes a lot deeper than talls. I literally mentioned talls once in that post - as one of the many problems I bought up - in a post where I was supporting your argument lmao.
Thank you for reminding me why I wouldn’t try and have a normal discussion with someone who is obviously incapable of that.
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I know he’s only human but it just feels like he lets everything effect him a little too much. Covid hubs, footy department cuts, every single team is going through it but he is the only coach constantly bringing it up.
There does come a point in time where a coach who basis his entire philosophy on motivational tactics and other intangibles just runs his course, regardless of how successful it’s been. For us it worked in 15/16, then a 4 year gap of inconsistency followed by the ultimate us v. the world finals run last year, which when push came to shove crumbled in the granny.
There does come a point in time where a coach who basis his entire philosophy on motivational tactics and other intangibles just runs his course, regardless of how successful it’s been. For us it worked in 15/16, then a 4 year gap of inconsistency followed by the ultimate us v. the world finals run last year, which when push came to shove crumbled in the granny.
It might be making some sense now. I think Bevo and Longmire are most likely the two highest-paid coaches in the AFL at the moment, and also the two biggest critics regarding the new soft cab rules introduced since the Covid pandemic rules have been put in place regarding soft cab spending and football departments' funds.
I gather this means clubs like the Bulldogs and Swans don’t have the extra funds to spend on their football department due to the high wage of their senior coach.
Maybe this is why the Blues could pay more for Ashley Hansen as Voss would not yet to be in the higher paid bracket regarding AFL coaches.
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Issues I see with Bev and his current work with the team:
- Inability to adapt. He has zero plan B when things don’t work, when has he ever adapted well to what’s happening? Off field & on field. This goes back to the 3rd man ruck rule being implemented, what’d he do? Nothing. We never make proactive switches in game before it’s too late, refuse to sacrifice any part of our game to stop another player whose had 50 touches and kicked 10 goals in the first qtr - were completely focused on us. “It’ll sort itself out if we just keep doing what we’re supposed to do”. Plus we just keep going back to the same well when it’s obvious something doesn’t work, this has never changed.
- outdated, overly complex game style. We try to play like millionaires (and when it comes off we look like em too) this run forward and attack at all costs mentality. We have defenders streaming forward to get in the chain, before we’ve even won a 50:50 contest. There is no room for error in the way we move the ball, you have to be pinpoint accurate or it’s going straight back over your head to an unsettled defence. Now this becomes a problem because we also stack the side with unskilled players because we also rely on an extremely unsustainable amount of pressure.
Our whole team defence is set up on turnover footy and is only successful with extreme pressure yet our offence is based around flashy, outside ball movement and elite skills. Fundamentally this is wrong as usually the same players can’t offer both - so our defence breaks down because tackles get missed etc and our offence breaks down because absolute battlers that we rely on for pressure get involved in highly risky offensive link ups.
We fill the forward line with non forwards who we think will somehow learn to play the hardest position on the ground, we clog up Naughtys space with spuds when we should be building a forward line based around creating space for him.
We rely on extreme pressure yet when they take a mark we back off and let them Waltz around doing as they please - we also push the defence up ridiculously high but then allow the ball carrier space to kick it in over the top? How does this make sense?
We rely on midfield dominance yet neglect the ruck position - again, I just can’t even comprehend the thought process behind this one?
- flexibility mantra, players not having a set role in the team or even on the list. Expecting average afl players to play multiple roles up against specialists in the their position from the other team. We are the only team I’ve noticed who do this to the extent we do. As I said above players moving from the ruck to CHB to FF in the one quarter then out of the side to settle into FB in the 2s then back in for a week on the wing then out again to play FF. This is not helping anyone, players have different strengths use them.
The successes Bev has had in turning individual players careers around have come by finding a certain players strengths and creating a specialist role for them that they thrive in - Dale, Moyd and Daniel to half back. Wallis to specialist forward, Naughty forward etc. these all happened because we’ve not worried about these guys weaknesses but played them in very specific roles which suit their skillset.
- revolving door of smalls and talls. This is a big one. Talls and smalls obviously have very different roles to play in how a team functions - the whole system of how you plan to move the ball forward and how you plan to defend the opposition revolves around the roles you have set for your tall players and the roles for your smalls in support. We go in one week with 5 genuine talls the next week maybe 9. 1 forward, 3 forwards, 1 defender 3 defenders etc. this is completely disruptive to the fabric of our game. Why do you think everyone flys in the forward line and defence for the same marks, because some weeks they’re expected to because there’s no one else to do it some weeks they’re not expected to etc there’s no flow, no cohesion to our balance between talls and smalls.
This also has a flow on effect which disrupts so many other players roles in the team. See dunks in career best form, now expected to completely shift his game this week. Bont being taken away from the midfield. Guys being expected to ruck that shouldn’t be etc. no other team does this. They know what roles they want talls in the side for and what roles they want smalls in the side for and pick the best available, they don’t chop and change every week. I honestly think Bev has no idea what he wants the team to look like at the start of the week and by Thursday will be like alright let’s chuck another tall in the forward line this week!
Choose how you want the team to look and stick to it, and evolve it and adapt it. Don’t chop and change to the extent we do every bloody couple of weeks. “Wow the bulldogs have such great depth they used 40 players last year whilst Geelong used 28” etc. that’s not depth, that’s us having no ****ing idea what we want and not valuing a settled line up.
- neglecting of the ruck, which is super relevant in todays game for everyone else. obviously everyone knows where I stand on this, big fundamental issue which will not change. We expect midfield dominance, yet put them on the back foot, go figure.
- arrogance in selection, his selections at times just scream of arrogance, carrying nothing players for some tiny positive they’re bringing and because he likes what they bring on the training track. Thinking we can carry their weaknesses. Arrogance in the way we think we can select our team to dominate without stopping to consider an oppositions strengths. Why do good players constantly have these hugeeee games against us? Petracca must average 40 & 2 against us, because we refuse to pay him any respect. We’re always the team these guys dominate. It’s arrogance.
Plus to top it all off he’s now turned into a whiney little prick in the media, I actually despise the shit that he says, the campaigner has all the grace of a brick wall with the incoherent bullshit he mumbles and fumbles through in a press conference. He obviously cares for his players and I respect that, they obviously care and respect him too - but are they playing for him right now?
I don’t think so; and at the end of the day that’s really all that matters
- Inability to adapt. He has zero plan B when things don’t work, when has he ever adapted well to what’s happening? Off field & on field. This goes back to the 3rd man ruck rule being implemented, what’d he do? Nothing. We never make proactive switches in game before it’s too late, refuse to sacrifice any part of our game to stop another player whose had 50 touches and kicked 10 goals in the first qtr - were completely focused on us. “It’ll sort itself out if we just keep doing what we’re supposed to do”. Plus we just keep going back to the same well when it’s obvious something doesn’t work, this has never changed.
- outdated, overly complex game style. We try to play like millionaires (and when it comes off we look like em too) this run forward and attack at all costs mentality. We have defenders streaming forward to get in the chain, before we’ve even won a 50:50 contest. There is no room for error in the way we move the ball, you have to be pinpoint accurate or it’s going straight back over your head to an unsettled defence. Now this becomes a problem because we also stack the side with unskilled players because we also rely on an extremely unsustainable amount of pressure.
Our whole team defence is set up on turnover footy and is only successful with extreme pressure yet our offence is based around flashy, outside ball movement and elite skills. Fundamentally this is wrong as usually the same players can’t offer both - so our defence breaks down because tackles get missed etc and our offence breaks down because absolute battlers that we rely on for pressure get involved in highly risky offensive link ups.
We fill the forward line with non forwards who we think will somehow learn to play the hardest position on the ground, we clog up Naughtys space with spuds when we should be building a forward line based around creating space for him.
We rely on extreme pressure yet when they take a mark we back off and let them Waltz around doing as they please - we also push the defence up ridiculously high but then allow the ball carrier space to kick it in over the top? How does this make sense?
We rely on midfield dominance yet neglect the ruck position - again, I just can’t even comprehend the thought process behind this one?
- flexibility mantra, players not having a set role in the team or even on the list. Expecting average afl players to play multiple roles up against specialists in the their position from the other team. We are the only team I’ve noticed who do this to the extent we do. As I said above players moving from the ruck to CHB to FF in the one quarter then out of the side to settle into FB in the 2s then back in for a week on the wing then out again to play FF. This is not helping anyone, players have different strengths use them.
The successes Bev has had in turning individual players careers around have come by finding a certain players strengths and creating a specialist role for them that they thrive in - Dale, Moyd and Daniel to half back. Wallis to specialist forward, Naughty forward etc. these all happened because we’ve not worried about these guys weaknesses but played them in very specific roles which suit their skillset.
- revolving door of smalls and talls. This is a big one. Talls and smalls obviously have very different roles to play in how a team functions - the whole system of how you plan to move the ball forward and how you plan to defend the opposition revolves around the roles you have set for your tall players and the roles for your smalls in support. We go in one week with 5 genuine talls the next week maybe 9. 1 forward, 3 forwards, 1 defender 3 defenders etc. this is completely disruptive to the fabric of our game. Why do you think everyone flys in the forward line and defence for the same marks, because some weeks they’re expected to because there’s no one else to do it some weeks they’re not expected to etc there’s no flow, no cohesion to our balance between talls and smalls.
This also has a flow on effect which disrupts so many other players roles in the team. See dunks in career best form, now expected to completely shift his game this week. Bont being taken away from the midfield. Guys being expected to ruck that shouldn’t be etc. no other team does this. They know what roles they want talls in the side for and what roles they want smalls in the side for and pick the best available, they don’t chop and change every week. I honestly think Bev has no idea what he wants the team to look like at the start of the week and by Thursday will be like alright let’s chuck another tall in the forward line this week!
Choose how you want the team to look and stick to it, and evolve it and adapt it. Don’t chop and change to the extent we do every bloody couple of weeks. “Wow the bulldogs have such great depth they used 40 players last year whilst Geelong used 28” etc. that’s not depth, that’s us having no ****ing idea what we want and not valuing a settled line up.
- neglecting of the ruck, which is super relevant in todays game for everyone else. obviously everyone knows where I stand on this, big fundamental issue which will not change. We expect midfield dominance, yet put them on the back foot, go figure.
- arrogance in selection, his selections at times just scream of arrogance, carrying nothing players for some tiny positive they’re bringing and because he likes what they bring on the training track. Thinking we can carry their weaknesses. Arrogance in the way we think we can select our team to dominate without stopping to consider an oppositions strengths. Why do good players constantly have these hugeeee games against us? Petracca must average 40 & 2 against us, because we refuse to pay him any respect. We’re always the team these guys dominate. It’s arrogance.
Plus to top it all off he’s now turned into a whiney little prick in the media, I actually despise the shit that he says, the campaigner has all the grace of a brick wall with the incoherent bullshit he mumbles and fumbles through in a press conference. He obviously cares for his players and I respect that, they obviously care and respect him too - but are they playing for him right now?
I don’t think so; and at the end of the day that’s really all that matters
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It seems Beveridge is very set in his ways. He is easily distracted by things that he shouldn't be bothered about which puts him in a position where he is fighting battles on multiple fronts.
He brought to the club a new game plan and it worked extremely well for a few years but I don't think he has the capability to change strategy.
In 2000, Essendon was undefeated going into round 21. Terry Wallace developed a specific game plan solely for the defeat of Essendon. And it worked.
Essendon went on to convincingly win the premiership, but due to Wallace's strategic planning, they could never say they were Undefeated Premiers.
Has Beveridge the same capability? No, is the answer.
We have seen the best of him, and I thank him for a long awaited Premiership. But it's time for a change.
He brought to the club a new game plan and it worked extremely well for a few years but I don't think he has the capability to change strategy.
In 2000, Essendon was undefeated going into round 21. Terry Wallace developed a specific game plan solely for the defeat of Essendon. And it worked.
Essendon went on to convincingly win the premiership, but due to Wallace's strategic planning, they could never say they were Undefeated Premiers.
Has Beveridge the same capability? No, is the answer.
We have seen the best of him, and I thank him for a long awaited Premiership. But it's time for a change.
You cant just move on Bevo ,you need to move out the whole football department (excluding Sam Power) then we will see real change happen
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Lost so many assistant coaches who used to challenge the opinion of Luke Beveridge
Daniel Giansiracusa, Joel Corey, Steven King, Ashley Hanson, Ben Graham .. what's left except BEVO YES MEN
Daniel Giansiracusa, Joel Corey, Steven King, Ashley Hanson, Ben Graham .. what's left except BEVO YES MEN
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Is this thread a piss take?
Those very coaches were called Bevo’s Yes Men right up until they left the club.
Those very coaches were called Bevo’s Yes Men right up until they left the club.
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No - can you offer a debate about it or just lightweight cotton wool twitter troll like fluff
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Why did they leave champ? where they getting a say beyond agreeing?
Not like Dogs have gone forward since 2016 Charlie Troll?
I suppose they wanted to broaden their horizons and challenge themselves to give themselves the best possible chance of getting a future head coach role. That is what people do to further their careers. Champ.
Lost so many assistant coaches who used to challenge the opinion of Luke Beveridge
Daniel Giansiracusa, Joel Corey, Steven King, Ashley Hanson, Ben Graham .. what's left except BEVO YES MEN
You missed the most important assistant coach in my opinion that has left the club , and I think he would have given Bevo some of his individual thoughts but by all reports, he wasn't listened to and was given his marching orders pretty quick
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Former North Melbourne champion Wayne Carey suggested Beveridge might have seen Montgomery as a threat given he was close to snaring the top job after the Bulldogs sacked Brendan McCartney
“A lot of coaches for whatever reason (don’t like to have) people right under them that are really thriving and maybe I guess pushing certain things.”
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Lost so many assistant coaches who used to challenge the opinion of Luke Beveridge
Daniel Giansiracusa, Joel Corey, Steven King, Ashley Hanson, Ben Graham .. what's left except BEVO YES MEN
How would those assistant coaches above feel that their role has been replaced by the men below
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I think they left for multiple reasons. More money, Bevo gets paid very well compared to Goodwin, Scott and Hardwick and significantly more than others. As gordo2026 said to also broaden their horizons and Learn from others. I think Bevo‘d style is another reason.
You are guessing Fred. You say by "all reports," can you provide some links of where this was reported. I know why he left for. I am not going to say it here, but what you are saying is off the pace, didn't happen.You missed the most important assistant coach in my opinion that has left the club , and I think he would have given Bevo some of his individual thoughts but by all reports, he wasn't listened to and was given his marching orders pretty quick
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