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Australias batting this test has been so dumb. Edit: Both batting and Bowling.
 
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Had England 7 down and 120 odd behind at lunch

Now we’re 4 down ourselves with a lead of just 116

Some really dumb cricket over the last two sessions
I'd REALLY like to know what goes on in the dressing room / coaching staff.

have played like the post 2018 Eagles...have been able to turn it on in patches.

Think we are going to be relying on the rain to save us for this test.
 
Warner had been okay for the first two Tests so I think a lot of the shouts against him are too harsh. He's clearly better than the back up opener in Harris both with the bat and in the field.

However, he's clearly near the end and we need a plan going forward. I think they'll be hesitant to shift Head given he's likely the next captain and been doing well in the middle order. The Shield options aren't great and Puck isn't going to be picked for a while.

An out there suggestion could be to do with Marsh what we did with Watson and try him there. He's had success up the order in the white ball, could take the shine off the ball as Warner used to, would take the pressure off Khawaja to get going and (in a bind) is a good bowling option.

As an aside, did Marsh really not get a single over yesterday? He's a very good bowler in English conditions as he pitches it up and looks for movement. Poor captaincy yet again when they got away from us at the end.
 
It's hard to overstate how bad the Marnus and Smith dismissals were. England desperately need Ali to be effective with Robinson and Stokes injured. We don't even need to hit Ali out of the attack, just nullify and put away the regular bad balls and they'll be forced to go back to their tiring quicks.

Time has never been a bigger friend to us than right now, holding the Ashes with a 2-0 lead and rain forecast.
 
Warner had been okay for the first two Tests so I think a lot of the shouts against him are too harsh. He's clearly better than the back up opener in Harris both with the bat and in the field.

However, he's clearly near the end and we need a plan going forward. I think they'll be hesitant to shift Head given he's likely the next captain and been doing well in the middle order. The Shield options aren't great and Puck isn't going to be picked for a while.

An out there suggestion could be to do with Marsh what we did with Watson and try him there. He's had success up the order in the white ball, could take the shine off the ball as Warner used to, would take the pressure off Khawaja to get going and (in a bind) is a good bowling option.

As an aside, did Marsh really not get a single over yesterday? He's a very good bowler in English conditions as he pitches it up and looks for movement. Poor captaincy yet again when they got away from us at the end.
Expectations of Warner in England are so low we're saying he's been Ok when he's averaging in the twenties.

I don't what It is with Cummins and his allrounders.
Seems to under bowl Green a lot as well.
Surely Marsh had to be given a few overs.
 
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Expectations of Warner in England are so low we're saying Warner has been Ok when he's averaging in the twenties.

I don't what It is with Cummins and his allrounders.
Seems to under bowl Green a lot as well.
Surely Marsh had to be given a few overs.
Yep, Marsh definitely needed to bowl.
Esp England playing T20 mode.
Cummins missed a trick there.
 
It's hard to overstate how bad the Marnus and Smith dismissals were. England desperately need Ali to be effective with Robinson and Stokes injured. We don't even need to hit Ali out of the attack, just nullify and put away the regular bad balls and they'll be forced to go back to their tiring quicks.

Time has never been a bigger friend to us than right now, holding the Ashes with a 2-0 lead and rain forecast.

The worst thing about the Labuschagne dismissal was he and Khawaja were looking untroubled and whilst they weren’t blasting runs they were scoring steadily enough

Smith was just a nothing shot

Had we played with some brains after lunch we could conceivably be 200 odd in front and only 2 or perhaps 3 down
 
Expectations of Warner in England are so low we're saying he's been Ok when he's averaging in the twenties.
If Bison scores 10 more he'll overtake both Warner and Labuschagne's series contributions in 2 innings.

What got me though was Warner's expression when he got out; like there was no pressure on him whatsoever.
 
Whats the minimum lead that people think we need to be a chance in this game?

I am thinking with the current lead at 142, we need at least another 150 - 200 runs.
Giving us a 300 - 350 lead.

The way our dumb *u**s bowl to Stokes, he will have another opportunity to make a big score.

I scratch my head and wonder have our bowlers forgotten about the yorker, Stocks is susceptible on his pads to both lbw and being bowled, yet we persists with the constant barrage of short and wide or short and down leg side to him.

So the plan is eventually he will sky one ....... well, yes that has worked, but the trouble is he only skyed one after he has already blasted his way to a high score.
Also pains me that with the last ball of the over, we cant manage to keep him on strike and just happily concede a single to keep the bunnies off strike.

This match will require a massive effort from the last five wickets, to post a defendable target.

How many runs do we need ?????
 
Whats the minimum lead that people think we need to be a chance in this game?

I am thinking with the current lead at 142, we need at least another 150 - 200 runs.
Giving us a 300 - 350 lead.

The way our dumb *u**s bowl to Stokes, he will have another opportunity to make a big score.

I scratch my head and wonder have our bowlers forgotten about the yorker, Stocks is susceptible on his pads to both lbw and being bowled, yet we persists with the constant barrage of short and wide or short and down leg side to him.

So the plan is eventually he will sky one ....... well, yes that has worked, but the trouble is he only skyed one after he has already blasted his way to a high score.
Also pains me that with the last ball of the over, we cant manage to keep him on strike and just happily concede a single to keep the bunnies off strike.

This match will require a massive effort from the last five wickets, to post a defendable target.

How many runs do we need ?????
Agreed it needs to be at least a 350 lead, especially given we don't need to win.

Let the weather gods wreak havoc over the coming days anyway.

Here's hoping the Aussies have been saving the fuller length balls at Stokes for the 2nd dig. He's essentially on 1 leg only and falling over everytime they target his pads.
 
Whats the minimum lead that people think we need to be a chance in this game?

I am thinking with the current lead at 142, we need at least another 150 - 200 runs.
Giving us a 300 - 350 lead.

The way our dumb *u**s bowl to Stokes, he will have another opportunity to make a big score.

I scratch my head and wonder have our bowlers forgotten about the yorker, Stocks is susceptible on his pads to both lbw and being bowled, yet we persists with the constant barrage of short and wide or short and down leg side to him.

So the plan is eventually he will sky one ....... well, yes that has worked, but the trouble is he only skyed one after he has already blasted his way to a high score.
Also pains me that with the last ball of the over, we cant manage to keep him on strike and just happily concede a single to keep the bunnies off strike.

This match will require a massive effort from the last five wickets, to post a defendable target.

How many runs do we need ?????
300 would be nice but that's fair way off.

What's killing us is we keep dropping Stokes.
Should've had him out on 46 yesterday.
 
300 would be nice but that's fair way off.

What's killing us is we keep dropping Stokes.
Should've had him out on 46 yesterday.

He does seem to have more lives than a cat.
 
It's hard to overstate how bad the Marnus and Smith dismissals were. England desperately need Ali to be effective with Robinson and Stokes injured. We don't even need to hit Ali out of the attack, just nullify and put away the regular bad balls and they'll be forced to go back to their tiring quicks.

Time has never been a bigger friend to us than right now, holding the Ashes with a 2-0 lead and rain forecast.
This is what annoyed me so much as well. Robinson down already, Broad 36, Stokes injured and Wood can only do 4 overs at a time and even then he was slowing down in pace.

Had the game there to strangle and they might have thrown it.

Marsh and Head could score quickly, but they're so aggressive they could both be out in a hurry exposing the tail to a relatively fresh Wood (who will go the stumps/pads).
 
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