Bigman’s Training Reports

[Jeffcrowe]

It's kinda like what McAsey talked about. Playing games was fun, but training can be boring and can be hard to get motivated for.

Taylor needs to work on his fitness, but then you gotta do that on your own time to make the leap, and for most people (me included) just going out there and running 5K is boring as hell and I don't want to do it. So that's where that drive needs to kick it, which may not have (and may never) clicked for him yet.

Yep spot on …. You’ve gotta love every minute of the whole thing or at least find a way to

Soligo is completely invested to the whole thing , incredibly mature and lives it

 

[spenze]

It can't be that serious a hamstring if he's running still.

Every time I've done one there's no way you're running. Once I could hardly walk.

Sounds like me and my drinking

 

[cleanhands]

It's kinda like what McAsey talked about. Playing games was fun, but training can be boring and can be hard to get motivated for.

Taylor needs to work on his fitness, but then you gotta do that on your own time to make the leap, and for most people (me included) just going out there and running 5K is boring as hell and I don't want to do it. So that's where that drive needs to kick it, which may not have (and may never) clicked for him yet.

The hardest part of a 5 km run is putting on the sandshoes

 

[Crow till I die]

So they offered that trade to us, we said no and now it's killed the club?

Wow, that's pretty bad news.

Pretty sure we picked jones before butters was picked so we could have taken butters and mchenry

 

[MRB37]

The hardest part of a 5 km run is putting on the sandshoes

I didn't say it's hard, I said it's boring (for a lot of people). To be a professional athlete you have to do things that may not necessarily be fun for every individual and that you don't want want to do in your free time, be it running extra km's or doing extra work in the gym. I don't think that has fully dropped for Taylor yet.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

So they offered that trade to us, we said no and now it's killed the club?

Wow, that's pretty bad news.

Port got Rozee with less currency than we had

I think we've learned from it though. Been bold and proactive with pick trades recently

 

[beartoo]

The hardest part of a 5 km run is putting on the sandshoes

When you get to my age the socks are the most difficult.

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[Mostyn]

Port got Rozee with less currency than we had

I think we've learned from it though. Been bold and proactive with pick trades recently

Certainly Port did amazingly well that year - traded players out at the absolute top of their value, and got right to where they needed to be. It was excellent work.

 

[whattagun07]

I thought we killed the McGovern trade at first, by getting McAdam and McHenry from it

Tables have turned incredibly in Carlton's favour over the last 18 months

mcgovern is still nowhere near where he was tracking to be when he was with us. Im not losing any sleep over him in a Carlton guernsey

 

[Crows I Am]

Taylor appears to be trying to make it on talent alone

If we could combine Mchenry's effort with Taylor's skill we would have ourselves a player...

 

[cleanhands]

I didn't say it's hard, I said it's boring (for a lot of people). To be a professional athlete you have to do things that may not necessarily be fun for every individual and that you don't want want to do in your free time, be it running extra km's or doing extra work in the gym. I don't think that has fully dropped for Taylor yet.

Used to love it, was always pushing to beat the clock, I remember when I started to struggle would always pick up the pace by a couple of steps and would always seem to get a second wind

 

[beagle2]

He’s the worst runner of the non talls in every session

bigman has spoken about this

It was worse last year

When he was running laps with Curtin the other days he was really struggling whilst Curtin looked to be at a slow jog

 

[Alwaysacrow]

To me he is still one of our most baffling selections at the draft. Uber small player with no significant weapons. Worse than the McAsey selection for mine. Seems like a great kid but I don’t see any attribute he can use to make it at AFL level


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Yep. It was a howler.

 

[Alwaysacrow]

Certainly Port did amazingly well that year - traded players out at the absolute top of their value, and got right to where they needed to be. It was excellent work.

Sad but true.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

If we could combine Mchenry's effort with Taylor's skill we would have ourselves a player...

Definitely unfortunately

But clubs knew that hence Taylor drifted further than what I thought would happen

 

[Carmo]

Two years ago Ned struggled to kick 40.

Then in the early games this year he was easily pumping them that far. A lot of us thought he mustve (wisely) been into the leg weights over the offseason.

I reckon another offseason on the leg weights and arm weights and general strength stuff that we seem to be doing could really help McHenry. He'll have a longer kick. Some of those fend offs he does will start working and so on and so forth.

I'm very keen to see what he'll be like if he improves as much this offseason as he did last.

 

[Chief Crow]

I thought we killed the McGovern trade at first, by getting McAdam and McHenry from it

Tables have turned incredibly in Carlton's favour over the last 18 months

And we essentially turned the McAdam deal into getting Curtin

 

[cleanhands]

Two years ago Ned struggled to kick 40.

Then in the early games this year he was easily pumping them that far. A lot of us thought he mustve (wisely) been into the leg weights over the offseason.

I reckon another offseason on the leg weights and arm weights and general strength stuff that we seem to be doing could really help McHenry. He'll have a longer kick. Some of those fend offs he does will start working and so on and so forth.

I'm very keen to see what he'll be like if he improves as much this offseason as he did last.

Kicking is technique and timing nothing to do with leg weights

 

[Danger in Texas]

And we essentially turned the McAdam deal into getting Curtin

Think GWS took our 2nd rounder, not Melb’s

 

[cmndstab]

Think GWS took our 2nd rounder, not Melb’s

Yes, this is correct.

At the end of the day, we essentially traded our 2nd round picks from 2022, 2023 and 2024, and our first round pick from 2023, and got back Curtin and Edwards in return plus steak knives.

 

[50BC]

Yep. It was a howler.

Statiscally, most draft picks are far more likely to fail than succeed. I don't think you can call any failed recruit a " howler" unless they were picks 1 to 5 or 6. It's easy to criticise draft selections in hindsight as there are always good players who will have gone at later pick. Truth is drafting is far from an exact science

 

[Carmo]

Kicking is technique and timing nothing to do with leg weights

Nothing is a pretty all encompassing phrase, doesn't leave room for a single other factor.

Technique and timing are primary determinants, I agree on that, but leg strength (and size (length) and weight) all play a part.

If it was nothing to do with it then we should see all the longest kicks in the comp would not be the people with the heaviest or strongest legs, that is people with skinny, scrawny legs would be bombing just as long as a well built key forward.

So a Gollant would have no disadvantage versus a Tex?
A David Mackay would have no disadvantage versus a Sloane?

We would also see people at 16 to 18 being able to kick the same as AFL players right? Which means that in the U18 comp players would be kicking just as long as AFL, which I don't see happening.

Also, why do AFL players (or anyone for that matter) take the max time (if they're smart) before kicking for goal, rather than straightup? Is it because timing gets better over the ensuing 30 seconds or the fatigued muscles in the leg recover?

 

[cleanhands]

Nothing is a pretty all encompassing phrase, doesn't leave room for a single other factor.

Technique and timing are primary determinants, I agree on that, but leg strength (and size (length) and weight) all play a part.

If it was nothing to do with it then we should see all the longest kicks in the comp would not be the people with the heaviest or strongest legs, that is people with skinny, scrawny legs would be bombing just as long as a well built key forward.

So a Gollant would have no disadvantage versus
A David Mackay would have no disadvantage versus a Sloane?

We would also see people at 16 to 18 being able to kick the same as AFL players right? Which means that in the U18 comp players would be kicking just as long as AFL, which I don't see happening.

Also, why do AFL players (or anyone for that matter) take the max time (if they're smart) before kicking for goal, rather than straightup? Is it because timing gets better over the ensuing 30 seconds or the fatigued muscles in the leg recover?

do all the leg weights you like if your timing and technique are poor you’re wasting your time, but I’m happy for you to stick to your theory

 

[George Kramer]

Statiscally, most draft picks are far more likely to fail than succeed. I don't think you can call any failed recruit a " howler" unless they were picks 1 to 5 or 6. It's easy to criticise draft selections in hindsight as there are always good players who will have gone at later pick. Truth is drafting is far from an exact science

Short and not quick, not a long kick, prone to panic, you’re already got 4 negatives so yeah, it’s easy to be critical when despite the negatives you still pick that player.

 

[Scorpus]

Statiscally, most draft picks are far more likely to fail than succeed. I don't think you can call any failed recruit a " howler" unless they were picks 1 to 5 or 6. It's easy to criticise draft selections in hindsight as there are always good players who will have gone at later pick. Truth is drafting is far from an exact science

There's degrees to failing though. Constant injuries, talented but couldn't put it together, poor fitness, bad at football are all ways a player can fail. Having a very talented player fail due to injury is much better than having a pick fail because they aren't good at football

McHenry was a particularly bad fail because there were no obvious AFL traits at the time, at least for that level of pick. He has gone on to show little at AFL level which isn't surprising. It's not "oh well he was elite at X but didn't have the discipline for AFL", it's that he wasn't good, a talent ID fail.

I think what saves the selection a small amount is the 2018 draft was generally pretty awful so we didn't miss out on much else.

I'd have McAsey on a similar level for different reasons. It quickly became apparent after drafting that he had few AFL level traits and kinda sucked. But his junior form was far superior to McHenry and was widely expected to be a first round selection. Had a few issues with application and drive which is unfortunate. A poor talent ID fail but exacerbated by his post draft issues