Bigman’s Training Reports

[Jeffcrowe]

If you kick a football ten times there is every chance it will travel different distance, and that is using the same leg,no extra muscle improvement so it is timing and technique with Carmo theory Ned could build his legs up to the size of an Olympic speed skater or sprint cyclist and have the longest kick in AFL


edit: I was able to kick a ball further than most and I can tell you my legs are far from enormous

Agree with you re timing being main thing , I watch alot of junior footy and there’s kids that struggle to kick 45-50m set shots in their 18th year but do it comfortably within 2 years in AFL system when they get a bit stronger

So I think you’re both right but timing and technique is the main thing , strength might be the last 5-10%

Kicking footy so often in afl system also helps timing too and definitely accuracy , have seen some bog average kickers improve significantly

 

[Alwaysacrow]

At least McHenry would set good training standards for the other players on the list. He's a competitive little bugger and I'm sure that will help other young players who don't like to lose to increase their effort.

He's not a great player, but I'm pretty sure he's a great clubman. He's not a bad player to have on the list, he'd well liked and always gives his all for the club.

All good attributes but is that enough?
He'll need to have a big 2024 to remain on the list I think.

 

[craig crowing]

Ok kept Sloane for experience and apparently need to keep McHenry for enthusiasm and morale .
Tex has got both so lets give him a 5 year contract and we get both .
Sarcasm YES
But in 5 years Tex might offer more to our team to win games than Sloane and Ned will this year.

 

[Pugsley]

Back to the training reports after Christmas....

 

[Pugsley]

McHenry obviously hasn't really worked out, but it's kind of weird how people want to claim he had no potential AFL traits even as a draftee. Yes, we reached slightly for him, but it's not like he was going to be a rookie selection. He was always seen as late first round or early second round.

He was comfortably seen as a top 25 pick in the draft. He was known to be an elite runner who could provide huge tackle pressure, get under an opponent's skin, and then burn them off to contribute the other way. Unfortunately, as we've seen, his skills and decision-making at junior level haven't really transferred to AFL level where the bodies are bigger and the pressure is greater, but it wasn't a certainty that would happen. Some players make the jump from juniors to AFL like it's nothing, others struggle. McHenry is one of the latter, but to claim he "never had any AFL traits", as though our recruiters just decided to throw a first-round pick at a 178cm kid with no weapons at all, is just silly.



We were mentioned along with Richmond and Melbourne. If he had ended up at one of those two clubs it's not inconceivable that he could be a premiership player by now.

But he didn't.

 

[Dangarman]

And it doesn’t mean he could hit a golf ball further either, timing and technique

I was thinking more about this last night, and golf also entered my thoughts.

Would a golf ball/club combination be the furthest projectile capability we have invented using only the energy transferred from a single action/series of human muscle contractions?

Also, as I said previously, ignoring wind resistance, 45 deg is the optimal launch angle, but the furthest golf drives launch at sub 10 degrees. The short wedges launch at 45 deg. I don't know, but I suspect the flight and spin and the dimples interacting with the air allow the flatter drives to carry further. I presume there are similar aerodynamic factors in the kick of a footy.

And the commentators always laud a low flat kick.

 

[Coopers]

I was thinking more about this last night, and golf also entered my thoughts.

Would a golf ball/club combination be the furthest projectile capability we have invented using only the energy transferred from a single action/series of human muscle contractions?

Also, as I said previously, ignoring wind resistance, 45 deg is the optimal launch angle, but the furthest golf drives launch at sub 10 degrees. The short wedges launch at 45 deg. I don't know, but I suspect the flight and spin and the dimples interacting with the air allow the flatter drives to carry further. I presume there are similar aerodynamic factors in the kick of a footy.

And the commentators always laud a low flat kick.

Well, you can kick a torp, for example.

 

[maxlilly]

I was thinking more about this last night, and golf also entered my thoughts.

Would a golf ball/club combination be the furthest projectile capability we have invented using only the energy transferred from a single action/series of human muscle contractions?

Also, as I said previously, ignoring wind resistance, 45 deg is the optimal launch angle, but the furthest golf drives launch at sub 10 degrees. The short wedges launch at 45 deg. I don't know, but I suspect the flight and spin and the dimples interacting with the air allow the flatter drives to carry further. I presume there are similar aerodynamic factors in the kick of a footy.

And the commentators always laud a low flat kick.

Maybe the Aerobie ?
These things really fly
It has a world record of 406m

Aerobie - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[MarcusP2]

I was thinking more about this last night, and golf also entered my thoughts.

Would a golf ball/club combination be the furthest projectile capability we have invented using only the energy transferred from a single action/series of human muscle contractions?

Also, as I said previously, ignoring wind resistance, 45 deg is the optimal launch angle, but the furthest golf drives launch at sub 10 degrees. The short wedges launch at 45 deg. I don't know, but I suspect the flight and spin and the dimples interacting with the air allow the flatter drives to carry further. I presume there are similar aerodynamic factors in the kick of a footy.

And the commentators always laud a low flat kick.

Golf balls also roll further at the lower angles which is what you want from a drive (longest total distance). They are also longer so you get much higher ball speed and the lower angle gives you much faster horizontal velocity and less backspin.

 

[Sir Ronald Mac]

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[Gtowncrow]

Going by that logic Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson ‘ the Mountain’ should be able to kick the ball further than any man alive currently.

Brice Gibbs has been measured at kicking the ball over 70 metres. Brodie Smith regularly kicks it 60 metres. Dustin Fletcher another one.

The strongest leg in the world won’t kick a ball as far as someone with good technique and style.

I think the science might not necessarily agree. My school memories is mass X velocity squared.
Dustin Fletcher had skinny little legs but long. Because of the length, he could generate good speed which helped him kick long. Daniel Rich on the other hand, has short legs but heavy and strong. He would have slower speed than Fletcher because of the shorter lever, but the greater mass generated his power.
Sav Rocca had both leg length and mass. It's why he kicked it so far.
But I agree that timing all these factors matters too.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Maybe the Aerobie ?
These things really fly
It has a world record of 406m

Aerobie - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I once hit a drive off the north rim of the Grand Canyon. I'll see your 406m and raise you.

 

[Faaarrk]

I think the science might not necessarily agree. My school memories is mass X velocity squared.
Dustin Fletcher had skinny little legs but long. Because of the length, he could generate good speed which helped him kick long. Daniel Rich on the other hand, has short legs but heavy and strong. He would have slower speed than Fletcher because of the shorter lever, but the greater mass generated his power.
Sav Rocca had both leg length and mass. It's why he kicked it so far.
But I agree that timing all these factors matters too.

The whole topic has been about extra strength (mass) in the legs equating to longer kicks. My examples refute that.
There is a cut off point re mass vs velocity.
Adding mass would mean losing speed ( velocity) so the maths will be similar.
If Rocco or rich added mass would they be able to kick the ball further?
Anyway I’ve had enough posting on the subject. If McHenry kicks the ball longer next season regularly I will happily eat my words and admit my error.

 

[mr.sheen]

There needs to be a game where someone is blinded to the initial post and they must read the last two pages of a thread and guess the original topic.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I'm wanting to read training reports from our Christmas break but am getting donuts here what gives

 

[BRL121]

The whole topic has been about extra strength (mass) in the legs equating to longer kicks. My examples refute that.
There is a cut off point re mass vs velocity.
Adding mass would mean losing speed ( velocity) so the maths will be similar.
If Rocco or rich added mass would they be able to kick the ball further?
Anyway I’ve had enough posting on the subject. If McHenry kicks the ball longer next season regularly I will happily eat my words and admit my error.

As I mentioned elsewhere, he has already scored a 50m goal from the boundary in the SANFL.
Failing to do better at shorter distances suggests inconsistency, rather than mechanics, as a factor.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Can we have one thread where you ******s don't derail it

I see you joined in february 2023…

Welcome to your first preseason on bigfooty’s crows board..

This is par for the course I’m afraid.

Some enjoy it…

Others spend these few months taking a break from Bigfooty..

 

[dogs105]

Help me bigman . You're my only hope

 

[Dudersaurus]

I see you joined in february 2023…

Welcome to your first preseason on bigfooty’s crows board..

This is par for the course I’m afraid.

Some enjoy it…

Others spend these few months taking a break from Bigfooty..

Yep. It's just that Bigman's reports are great, so when I see new posts here I get excited. Then pages about McHenry's kicking action.

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[Alwaysacrow]

Help me bigman . You're my only hope

 

[WeeBlake]

I'm wanting to read training reports from our Christmas break but am getting donuts here what gives

We’ve hit a rich seam here, if you don’t like it that’s your problem

 

[conVINCEd]

With clubs like the Lions and Suns still training this week, I’m intrigued to see whether we return to training in the new year before they do.

 

[Coopers]

The whole topic has been about extra strength (mass) in the legs equating to longer kicks. My examples refute that.
There is a cut off point re mass vs velocity.
Adding mass would mean losing speed ( velocity) so the maths will be similar.
If Rocco or rich added mass would they be able to kick the ball further?
Anyway I’ve had enough posting on the subject. If McHenry kicks the ball longer next season regularly I will happily eat my words and admit my error.

Well, what if he kicks it further because he's improved his technique?

 

[Afcprophet]

What's wrong with his technique out of interest? No set routine? Incorrect ball drop?

 

[Danger_zone]

Save us bigman, you’re our only hope