Injury Blue Healers Discussion - 2024

[Aphrodite]

Latest Injury Update 25th June …

THERE are updates on four Carlton players leading into Round 16:-

Billy Wilson (knee)

• Managing some knee soreness out of VFL game on Saturday
• Availability: one week

Adam Cerra (hamstring)
- Availability: test

Jack Martin (calf)

• Back in full training
• Availability: two weeks

Matt Carroll (groin)

• Making improvement in training loads, will continue to monitor his progress
• Availability: indefinite

Injury news: Updates on four Blues

Updates on four Blues leading into Round 16.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Player​	Injury​	Update​
Matt Carroll	Groin	Making improvement in training loads, will continue to monitor his progress. Availability: indefinite. (Update: 25 June)
Adam Cerra	Hamstring	Availability: test. (Update: 25 June)
Matthew Cottrell	Foot	Back in skills training. Availability: 2-3 weeks. (Update: 18 June)
Sam Docherty	Knee	Suffered a ruptured ACL and torn meniscus in his right knee. (Update: 9 March)
Jack Martin	Calf	Back in full training. Availability: two weeks. (Update: 25 June)
Hudson O'Keeffe	Hamstring	Experienced a high-grade hamstring strain at training on Sunday. Availability: 8-12 weeks. (Update: 14 May)
Jack Silvagni	Knee	Has begun initial stages of rehab following surgery. (Update: 21 February)
Billy Wilson	Knee	Managing some knee soreness out of VFL game on Saturday. Availability: one week. (Update: 25 June)

 

[JJBagger]

I would argue not being able to jump doesn’t equal “must be subbed out”.

Based on what? If he was subbed out, clearly he wasn’t completely fit

 

[bigblueboy]

Based on what? If he was subbed out, clearly he wasn’t completely fit

Which is exactly my point.
Every player out there plays under duress every week we see corked thighs, loose shoulders, broken ribs.
Some play through it, others don’t.

 

[JJBagger]

Which is exactly my point.
Every player out there plays under duress every week we see corked thighs, loose shoulders, broken ribs.
Some play through it, others don’t.

Its much harder to play through a shoulder injury than it is a corked quad, especially as a defender. Plus corks can be absolutely crippling

 

[My Hat]

Which is exactly my point.
Every player out there plays under duress every week we see corked thighs, loose shoulders, broken ribs.
Some play through it, others don’t.

Number of times Weitering has been subbed off prior to last night:

2024: 0
2023: 0
2022: 1
2021: 0

That's as far back as the data source I'm using goes (https://afltables.com/afl/stats/alltime/carlton.html).

I'm not seeing a whole lot of support for your thesis in those numbers.

 

[bigblueboy]

Number of times Weitering has been subbed off prior to last night:

2024: 0
2023: 0
2022: 1
2021: 0

That's as far back as the data source I'm using goes (https://afltables.com/afl/stats/alltime/carlton.html).

I'm not seeing a whole lot of support for your thesis in those numbers.

number of times subbed off is not an effective measure of a player’s ability to play with injury.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Goes off when others would play through.

Literally 4 weeks ago against the Giants he got a cork just before half time and played out the whole game.

 

[My Hat]

number of times subbed off is not an effective measure of a player’s ability to play with injury.

If you don't like my data, feel free to provide some of your own to back up your assertions.

 

[bigblueboy]

If you don't like my data, feel free to provide some of your own to back up your assertions.

It’s not that I don’t “like” your data - it’s just that quantitative data is not the most effective measure of an individual’s capacity to play through injury.
Im sure you are aware that Weitering has never played a full season of footy since being drafted - I could respond with the year by year numbers … but I also don’t think that’s the most effective measure of resilience either.
Prefer to base my view on what I’ve seen, read and heard. As I stated from the outset, I expected it would be unpopular.

 

[The Fantom]

It’s not that I don’t “like” your data - it’s just that quantitative data is not the most effective measure of an individual’s capacity to play through injury.
Im sure you are aware that Weitering has never played a full season of footy since being drafted - I could respond with the year by year numbers … but I also don’t think that’s the most effective measure of resilience either.
Prefer to base my view on what I’ve seen, read and heard. As I stated from the outset, I expected it would be unpopular.

You might want to double check that one.

 

[coryne]

Um Weitering played 25 games in 2023.......

 

[The Fantom]

Um Weitering played 26 games in 2023.......

EFA

 

[Rustica]

Came across this on the Carlton subreddit

Number of games missed by each teams “best 22”

Pretty dire

 

[JJBagger]

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Came across this on the Carlton subreddit

Number of games missed by each teams “best 22”

Pretty dire

The saints being up there I think goes against the argument of getting rid of Russell mid year. They got rid of their fitness boss mid year last year, and as a result of the change of program (apparently), they had a mountain of soft tissue injuries over pre season, and in the early weeks of the season

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The saints being up there I think goes against the argument of getting rid of Russell mid year. They got rid of their fitness boss mid year last year, and as a result of the change of program (apparently), they had a mountain of soft tissue injuries over pre season, and in the early weeks of the season

I don't think we need to get rid of Russell. I think it is more likely that we have to change some of our strategies.

 

[Aphrodite]

No injury rumours thanks especially the ones doing the rounds on Twitter.

Injury updates will come directly from the Club.

Thanks all!

 

[Sam The Doc]

No injury rumours thanks especially the ones doing the rounds on Twitter.

Injury updates will come directly from the Club.

Thanks all!

Please just give us a break…..

 

[GoBlues!]

Unpopular opinion … but Weitering isn’t as resilient as he should be.

You realise Weiters is human and not a robot.

When you talk about players not being resilient names like Martin, Cuningham, Marchbank immediately come to mind, not Weitering.

 

[Jatz]

Tom Morris has reported:

No Weiters at training today, still a chance to play Saturday

Cerra jogging laps

De Koning was on light duties, club denied no hamstring strain but he wasn't doing much. At one stage he grabbed for the right hammy as he turned.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Its a disaster - also heard he rubbed his eye...!

 

[Coona Blues]

Tom Morris has reported:

No Weiters at training today, still a chance to play Saturday

Cerra jogging laps

De Koning was on light duties, club denied no hamstring strain but he wasn't doing much. At one stage he grabbed for the right hammy as he turned.

Most likely the De Koning hammy rumour has been confused. Sam DK went down with a hammy on Thursday.

 

[RPCB]

Tom Morris is reporting that TDK grabbed at his hammy? A bit bloody vague.

 

[Jatz]

Most likely the De Koning hammy rumour has been confused. Sam DK went down with a hammy on Thursday.

Sounds like Morris was actually at training. If DK was only on light duties, who knows.

 

[JJBagger]

Sounds like Morris was actually at training. If DK was only on light duties, who knows.

Jon Ralph has said that De Koning will be available for the suns game

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Tom Morris is reporting that TDK grabbed at his hammy? A bit bloody vague.

Might have had an itch

 

[Arr0w]

The TDK hammy sounds like the Rozee hammy to some degree