Injury Blue Healers Medical Room - 2023

[myblueroan]

McGovern’s hamstring issues date back to 2017 - he even missed a grand final because of it.
Earlier that year ripped the muscle from the bone … small tears have been a regular theme since.
At some point there needs to be a realisation that his body is not capable of coping with regular football/training and should be managed accordingly - or his career ends.

Mitch McGovern latest: Adelaide officially rules forward out of the 2017 AFL Grand Final

He’s out: Crows make tough call on McGovern

www.foxsports.com.au

We have precedence for improvement now thanks to Mrs Martin.
He can spend off season going to all the places Jack did.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Certainly hope so this week , King & Hill are big in for the saints .
If not most likely down to winning last 2 games to get in .
Fingers

King and Hill back reeks of desperation frankly.

They're rolling the dice on King's injury, who hasn't played since Rd 17 (when they played the Dees).

Saints hopeful King will return against in-form Blues

St Kilda key forward Max King is on the verge of returning from injury but coach Ross Lyon is unsure whether it will be against in-form Carlton in round 21.

au.sports.yahoo.com

Hill?

Lung injury appears to have settled, but....

Membery last played in Rd 9 (seniors).

They're missing Seb Ross and Zak Jones - a lot of their gut running right there...

 

[Juddernaut08]

Ross is an out, but a lot on their board dont consider jones best 22 anymore.

Saints are at full strength.

 

[Arr0w]

I'm all in, let'sdo it, think a section of the supporter group needs a sacking

If we are no longer sacking Sayers, Voss, assistants, someone needs to pay for our winning streak

 

[RPCB]

I'm all in, let'sdo it, think a section of the supporter group needs a sacking

If we are no longer sacking Sayers, Voss, assistants, someone needs to pay for our winning streak

I nominate the tea lady.

 

[Arr0w]

I nominate the tea lady.

Think they trolley through the middle

 

[Wickzki]

I have as much evidence as those calling for Russell's head but two things stand out to me.

1. Compared to other teams in the camp, we seem to have less concern for taking on players with red flags and injury history. This isn't any russell issue but more of a recruiting one and one that I hope that we correct going forward. As Austin has proven himself reliable in getting players like Boyd and Cincotta from the lower legs and we can bank him into continue doing this. Thankful he's made us a deeper list than we've had arguably ever

2. We tend to have more injuries that occur at training. Then other teams. Don't necessarily believe that this is an Andy Russell issue, but rather the surface of Princess Park. What's happened in the AFL and AFLW. I understand that we got it resurfaced but at this point, I'm very concerned over the condition of the ground and whether it is suitable for training.
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I suppose the point of my past is to say that it is possible that there are a great number of reasons other than Andy Russell for our continued long line of injuries. It's all subjective and none of us have the evidence to condemn a man for his job. He's purely an easy target for our frustration

 

[CCurnow3votes]

I'm all in, let'sdo it, think a section of the supporter group needs a sacking

If we are no longer sacking Sayers, Voss, assistants, someone needs to pay for our winning streak

Sack the streaky weak collapsing supporters!

 

[Juddrockz]

On the plus side, Gov hammy just saved us $100k per year
He had been playing well and was deserving of good $ (good, not great like his last contract)
This will knock it back a bit & probably justify a year less

Should take a massive paycut and his contract be performance based. On his day he can be a great player,unfortunately he just cant stay injury free for long.

 

[CaptainCharisma]

Not ideal copping Walsh, Cerra and McGovern hammies.
It is definitely possible it comes down to a load management issue, or it could be just purely bad luck. I think it is fine if people want to blame Andrew Russell but you have to at least acknowledge the positives from our S&C team this season for a balanced take.

• Docherty returned from knee surgery after 2 weeks
• Charlie is still flying after his career was written off 2 years ago
• McGovern has played his most games in a season since 2016 at Adelaide
• Walsh return from off season back surgery and was back to his best until the hamstring
• Cuningham, Marchbank and Martin have all returned and having a good run in the second half of the season
• Ed Curnow couldn't get on the park at any level last year with old man calf/hamstring issues (cooked as a player but seemingly fit again)

 

[HarryBeef]

King and Hill back reeks of desperation frankly.

They're rolling the dice on King's injury, who hasn't played since Rd 17 (when they played the Dees).

Saints hopeful King will return against in-form Blues

St Kilda key forward Max King is on the verge of returning from injury but coach Ross Lyon is unsure whether it will be against in-form Carlton in round 21.

au.sports.yahoo.com

Hill?

Lung injury appears to have settled, but....

Membery last played in Rd 9 (seniors).

They're missing Seb Ross and Zak Jones - a lot of their gut running right there...

I'd prefer Jones was playing, an absolute liability

 

[gbatman]

Certainly wracking up the hamstring injuries now. Cerra and McGovern have previous history there. Walsh is a new one. Previously we have had a few who have recovered. Luckily minor ones. Just need to keep winning and make finals. A fit list becomes important then. We aren't the only team with outs, just need to deal with it.

 

[Doro]

I noticed Gov was really extending in his running again the last few weeks and his form was improving with it. He was holding back earlier in the year and wasn't playing that well because of it. Bit of a dilemma for him, though it hasn't been mentioned if it was the same hamstring the surgery was on or not.

 

[HarryBeef]

I noticed Gov was really extending in his running again the last few weeks and his form was improving with it. He was holding back earlier in the year and wasn't playing that well because of it. Bit of a dilemma for him, though it hasn't been mentioned if it was the same hamstring the surgery was on or not.

Noticed it too. Didn't the Hawks rebuild the way Rioli ran to help him get over his hammie issues?

 

[Wickzki]

Walsh is a new one.

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Even so, it's not completely unexpected. Lots of people who have had back issues develop hamstring issues. In fact, back related hamstring injuries are the leading clause or one of the leading causes of hamstring issues.

Sadly, nothing short of simply not playing can prevent back related hamstring injuries. So if it is related then it's not a Russell issue.

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Noticed it too. Didn't the Hawks rebuild the way Rioli ran to help him get over his hammie issues?

Yep - changed his running gait to put less pressure on his hamstrings. His natural gait was to over extend his legs they changed him up to take a shorter stride

 

[Coops93]

Russell changing the way Rioli to fix his hamstrings? Sakc him.

 

[Coops93]

I have as much evidence as those calling for Russell's head but two things stand out to me.

1. Compared to other teams in the camp, we seem to have less concern for taking on players with red flags and injury history. This isn't any russell issue but more of a recruiting one and one that I hope that we correct going forward. As Austin has proven himself reliable in getting players like Boyd and Cincotta from the lower legs and we can bank him into continue doing this. Thankful he's made us a deeper list than we've had arguably ever

2. We tend to have more injuries that occur at training. Then other teams. Don't necessarily believe that this is an Andy Russell issue, but rather the surface of Princess Park. What's happened in the AFL and AFLW. I understand that we got it resurfaced but at this point, I'm very concerned over the condition of the ground and whether it is suitable for training.
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I suppose the point of my past is to say that it is possible that there are a great number of reasons other than Andy Russell for our continued long line of injuries. It's all subjective and none of us have the evidence to condemn a man for his job. He's purely an easy target for our frustration

The surface of Ikon has been talked about a lot, the prez had this to say about it over the off-season:

Carlton reviewing medical department following disastrous injury season

“That's well and truly outside my (expertise). I'm sure the relevant people have looked at that. We are very blessed to have a great surface here, great facilities all around,” Sayers told the Carlton website.

“I'm led to believe there are a number of other things that've caused the injury challenges over the past 12 months, we've had a look at the high performance area, the medical area (and) we've made some changes in the off-season. None related to turf.

Seems Ikon is fine, according to the club it's due to other factors.

I remember reading over the off-season that our program was quite physically intense, so perhaps through the season we are more physical than other teams leading to more training injuries? That maybe could be put at Russell, though I think Voss would like more physical sessions. Totally anecdotal but I recall it being mentioned (I think by a rumour poster on here, but can't prove it) that the club more or less expected a fair few injuries last season as the off-season program was more physical than in the past as they felt that the players weren't physically up to it so were pushed harder, with the offshoot being more injuries later in the season. Maybe not as many as ultimately occurred, but it wasn't a total shock. Perhaps just more physical training is the cause of it - but you could then argue being more physical is what's lead to our turnaround, and the scores from contest figures totally back that up so it's a hard one. It's our best style, but it is physically taxing.

 

[52Goals4inGranny]

With respect, I don't think any of us plebs (me included) would have a clue!

You mention training loads and weightlifting, and you are correct, but there are so much more that needs to be considered. Technical and tactical skill, physical and psychological capacities, emotional fortitude, tolerance to pain, capacity to play through injury and a desire to be the best at what they do.
Then you need to consider genetics, prior injuries, nutrition, body shape, gait, running styles, bad habits in training and fitness techniques learned and not corrected in formative years, hardness of training surfaces, rest and recovery etc etc.
There is probably a dozen or more things I haven't even considered that the club would be aware of.

So when you look at all these things, you only need to be on the wrong side of a couple, and injury can occur, and re-occur.

When one considers all of the above mentioned points (and the ones I have no clue on), then the 'player x did a hammie, sack Russell argument' in my opinion is ill informed and lacks any real critical analysis.

Now the club may part ways with Russell at season's end, but the decision will be made by people who are across all the facts presented and will be made by people with far more inside knowledge than any of us mugs!

I know I have zero idea… that’s why I said someone or something needs to be changed.

We need a complete review of that side of things.

 

[Coops93]

I know I have zero idea… that’s why I said someone or something needs to be changed.

We need a complete review of that side of things.

As in my post above, it was reviewed last off-season. I'm not sure if they released the findings though, I don't recall reading about it but they may have.

To be honest, Wickzis point earlier, I think we have just been happy to take on injury prone players.

Cerra has had some soft tissue history - not horrid but some, McGovern does have a horrid soft tissue past, McKay has been healthy for a while but also has had a fair bit of injury early in his career, Durdin seems frequently hurt, Walsh (as described by Wick) had a back injury which is often directly related to Hamstrings so the injury is likely connected, Kennedy has a long injury history and Jack is just bad luck with a knee.

There's not much on the injury list that's a sign of an alarming trend imo, mostly explainable aside from perhaps JSOS who's unlucky. It's unfortunate timing and could derail some momentum which sucks.

 

[52Goals4inGranny]

As in my post above, it was reviewed last off-season. I'm not sure if they released the findings though, I don't recall reading about it but they may have.

To be honest, Wickzis point earlier, I think we have just been happy to take on injury prone players.

Cerra has had some soft tissue history - not horrid but some, McGovern does have a horrid soft tissue past, McKay has been healthy for a while but also has had a fair bit of injury early in his career, Durdin seems frequently hurt, Walsh (as described by Wick) had a back injury which is often directly related to Hamstrings so the injury is likely connected, Kennedy has a long injury history and Jack is just bad luck with a knee.

There's not much on the injury list that's a sign of an alarming trend imo, mostly explainable aside from perhaps JSOS who's unlucky. It's unfortunate timing and could derail some momentum which sucks.

Could well be the case. I still think we need to look into it and determine the cause

 

[ferrisb]

Idk, this manic intensity style wins games but also takes its tolls on tendons/muscles.

I'd prefer this manic intensity takes its toll on the players than the preceding lack of intensity taking its toll on fans!!

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I have as much evidence as those calling for Russell's head but two things stand out to me.

1. Compared to other teams in the camp, we seem to have less concern for taking on players with red flags and injury history. This isn't any russell issue but more of a recruiting one and one that I hope that we correct going forward. As Austin has proven himself reliable in getting players like Boyd and Cincotta from the lower legs and we can bank him into continue doing this. Thankful he's made us a deeper list than we've had arguably ever

2. We tend to have more injuries that occur at training. Then other teams. Don't necessarily believe that this is an Andy Russell issue, but rather the surface of Princess Park. What's happened in the AFL and AFLW. I understand that we got it resurfaced but at this point, I'm very concerned over the condition of the ground and whether it is suitable for training.
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I suppose the point of my past is to say that it is possible that there are a great number of reasons other than Andy Russell for our continued long line of injuries. It's all subjective and none of us have the evidence to condemn a man for his job. He's purely an easy target for our frustration

Let’s swap him out and find out, just couldn’t be worse and who knows it could possibly be better.

No point in keeping on flogging the Russell horse, it’s not working period.

I just don’t understand how it’s appropriate to sack coaches Willy Nilly as we do, yet keep resources for inordinate amount of time without any discernible evidence of getting better in areas of the club that are absolutely crucial to success




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[CCurnow3votes]

As in my post above, it was reviewed last off-season. I'm not sure if they released the findings though, I don't recall reading about it but they may have.

To be honest, Wickzis point earlier, I think we have just been happy to take on injury prone players.

Cerra has had some soft tissue history - not horrid but some, McGovern does have a horrid soft tissue past, McKay has been healthy for a while but also has had a fair bit of injury early in his career, Durdin seems frequently hurt, Walsh (as described by Wick) had a back injury which is often directly related to Hamstrings so the injury is likely connected, Kennedy has a long injury history and Jack is just bad luck with a knee.

There's not much on the injury list that's a sign of an alarming trend imo, mostly explainable aside from perhaps JSOS who's unlucky. It's unfortunate timing and could derail some momentum which sucks.

It could also propel us if the timing of each coming back works for us.

Silver linings!

 

[gbatman]

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Even so, it's not completely unexpected. Lots of people who have had back issues develop hamstring issues. In fact, back related hamstring injuries are the leading clause or one of the leading causes of hamstring issues.

Sadly, nothing short of simply not playing can prevent back related hamstring injuries. So if it is related then it's not a Russell issue.

Definitely, I'm putting my hand up as one of those. Unfortunately not playing is not an option as I found out either, did one just kicking grass this year, how pathetic!