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Boy we have some unlucky injuries. Curnow out for years playing basketball with a setback from slipping on tiles... Cunners popping a shoulder play fighting with mates...
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Not to mention the Newman cut, Kreuzer heart, Marchbank neck, Curnow larynx. Some very weird injuries down at Ikon Park
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Blue to avoid surgery following shoulder injury, McGovern firming for Round 1
A Carlton injury update from Sam Edmund.
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Mostly what we already know
- Cunners avoiding surgery (for now). Re-assessment in two weeks
- Gov missed both AFL praccy matches, but should be fit for round 1
- Walsh is still on light duties, to rejoin main training in opening weeks of season
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I suspect Owies. They are good mates, and MO missed the Collingwood praccy the next day with “hamstring tightness”. Thinking he sat out as punishment.
Blue to avoid surgery following shoulder injury, McGovern firming for Round 1
A Carlton injury update from Sam Edmund.
Mostly what we already know
- Cunners avoiding surgery (for now). Re-assessment in two weeks
- Gov missed both AFL praccy matches, but should be fit for round 1
Walsh is still on light duties, to rejoin main training in opening weeks of season
- Walsh telling everyone he's ready to go for Round 1
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I'm a bit conflicted about the Cunners injury
On one hand... You get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. You have one job - stay fit and healthy
On the other hand... Is it good club culture to say no play fighting, no arm wrestling, no piggybacks, no races up the stairs? In fact, ye shall not partaketh in any kind of fun or shenanigans that may result in injury.
There's 45 young guys, you've got to let them have some fun.
Obviously there is a line between fun and stupidity. But not sure where that line is in this case. Actually... I never know where that line is!
On one hand... You get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. You have one job - stay fit and healthy
On the other hand... Is it good club culture to say no play fighting, no arm wrestling, no piggybacks, no races up the stairs? In fact, ye shall not partaketh in any kind of fun or shenanigans that may result in injury.
There's 45 young guys, you've got to let them have some fun.
Obviously there is a line between fun and stupidity. But not sure where that line is in this case. Actually... I never know where that line is!
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Oh okay, sorry I thought they were connected.. would’ve been a crazy story if the other teammate was gov though
I would argue we've tried to make players into robots. They spend literally days in sessions which tell them what they can't do. The obvious things like (casual) sex, drugs and rock n' roll, probably understandable but restricting other sports pursuits, social media, out of footy social activities ... it's gone way too far. Not to say it's all negative - the emphasis on education and volunteering has really improved in recent years and is a credit to the league and clubs.
If the players are not physically capable of undertaking a play-wrestle without breaking down then they probably are not a good fit for an AFL career. The fact the club would make a example of the player involved I reckon hurts culture more than it physically hurts the victim in this case. Brittle cultures and brittle players doesn't add up to success.
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These guys are full time professional athletes paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.
My heart bleeds for them that they have to abide by the rules set out by their employer.
My heart bleeds for them that they have to abide by the rules set out by their employer.
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Many years ago, when living in Perth, I got to know via association one of the Boomers. We had a conversation on other activities outside basketball, and he said there were strict limits. He said that they were professionals paid large sums, and how would the employer or team feel if someone got injured. It stuck with me in terms of dedication and focus. As an aside, we also had a conversation about playing against what I saw as the unbeatable US. He said that you would never know when and if they would have an off day, so you give 100% 100% of the time. No wonder he played at several Olympics.
"Play fighting" could mean a whole range of conduct - not fair to judge Vossy based on our extremely limited knowledge
Except that the "rules" go well beyond the boundaries of any regular workplace and are governed with extreme inequality.
For instance, it's ok for the club to demand wrestling during training but the moment training ends and the wrestling continues it turns into a quasi performance management process? Seriously.
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It's not exactly uncommon for workplaces to have rules in place to govern what employees can and cannot do.
We're not talking about a "regular workplace".
Are we really comparing tackling to unsupervised, nonsensical wrestling?
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Yep, the only thing that kept me from getting drafted....
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FYI, I'm not a 'boomer'. Not that old. Gen X. Still old, tho...OK Boomer
It's not a regular workplace - that's the point. Clubs/league don't employ best practice approaches because there's limited examples to follow. Half the time they just make rules up on the go and enforce curfews and other restrictions in a bid to create a "culture".
In other examples, they determine a response (usually a punishment) to an incident or issue based upon how highly a player/coach is paid or how important he/she might be to the team's success. The league does this all the time and the clubs follow suit.
And btw I was comparing the wrestling which is often officially trained with wrestling which, in this case, I understand occurred at the end of training but in the same facility. I didn't mention tackling as that is a different skill.
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How do you know this? Got any specific examples?
OK, but at some point the player/coach has to take some personal responsibility.
How about not putting yourself in a compromising position?
If you don't like it, there's the door - there are plenty of other professions out there that may be a better fit.
So we are comparing supervised v unsupervised wrestling, there is a huge difference.
Some examples from a two-minute google search:
Dockers suspend speedy forward for drinking on short break
Michael Frederick has been handed a one-match ban by the Dockers
www.afl.com.au
Power suspend Motlop for breaking curfew
Port Adelaide forward Daniel Motlop will miss this weekend's game against Richmond after breaching a club curfew
www.afl.com.au
Crows' Hudson banned for breaking curfew
Powell-Pepper in breach of "curfew" during alleged incident - InDaily
Sam Powell-Pepper is the AFL player under investigation for an alleged incident on Sunday morning at an Adelaide bar.
Richo rips into AFL clubs and their 'booze ban' policies
AFL great Matthew Richardson says clubs have gone “overboard” with their booze bans for players, jokingly suggesting “he’s glad” he doesn’t play any more. It comes after Steven May was forced to apologise to his Melbourne teammates following the emergence of a picture of him with a pint of beer...
www.3aw.com.au
Demons' 'extreme' pre-GF player curfew grilled
'I don't think you need rules for grown men'
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Owies should be on thin ice as it is. Doesn’t score enough goals. Simple as that.
Still can’t get that chip kick backwards out of mind that he completely shanked in the last 30secs of the Melbourne game…
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Some examples from a two-minute google search:
Dockers suspend speedy forward for drinking on short break
Michael Frederick has been handed a one-match ban by the DockersPower suspend Motlop for breaking curfew
Port Adelaide forward Daniel Motlop will miss this weekend's game against Richmond after breaching a club curfewCrows' Hudson banned for breaking curfew
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Seems I'm not alone on this ...Powell-Pepper in breach of "curfew" during alleged incident - InDaily
Sam Powell-Pepper is the AFL player under investigation for an alleged incident on Sunday morning at an Adelaide bar.indaily.com.au
Richo rips into AFL clubs and their 'booze ban' policies
AFL great Matthew Richardson says clubs have gone “overboard” with their booze bans for players, jokingly suggesting “he’s glad” he doesn’t play any more. It comes after Steven May was forced to apologise to his Melbourne teammates following the emergence of a picture of him with a pint of beer...
Demons' 'extreme' pre-GF player curfew grilled
'I don't think you need rules for grown men'
Right. So the issue is clubs have “control” over players outside of game day?
Should they revert to being simply anonymous members of society outside of the weekend?
I wonder if players would forego large contracts for match payments only.
Somehow I think not.
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Whoever it was should play on Prestia next week.
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