Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVI - 'Loopy' Season in full swing

[Blue and Silver]

I reckon Houston's destination is roughly

60% Carlton
20% Collingwood
20% Port

If he was really that open to Collingwood, than the conversation would have already moved on to how the Pies get it done.

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[Stamos]

Sorry Jimmie, Kennedy was delisted at the end of 2020 and redrafted from the rookie draft.

Not quite, in 2020 you could delist a player and then list them as a rookie without going through the draft (the year they cut list sizes due to COVID).

 

[Manhattanite]

I think Voss and the coaches figured out if they gave Kennedy less minutes on the ground he was more explosive and did better when on the ground - sure it would be nice if he needed less time off the ground but it is what it is and we managed it well and got the best out of him (and didn’t sacrifice much as we have some who can run all day)


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[cookie monster]

Getting rid of a player that's just won Best Clubman just doesn't sit right with me

Will be sad to see Kennedy go

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I haven’t been fully invested in Houston as I’ve favoured the draft, but as long as we have 1 top 15 pick and get the Campos, I’m ok with adding Houston.

He’s not just a HBF, he’s a guy that can cut teams to shreds and make 80 metre plays. I also think players like Saad and Newman need to not be the main couple coming out of defence. By adding Houston we add layers all throughout the ground and I can see Cowan playing some extended midfield minutes in 2025 if we do get Houston.

But I stand firm, we must still hold a 1st round pick this year (preferably not the end of round).

Adding a top 15 draftee, Houston the Campos to add to the improved Lord, Cowan, Moir, Cowan, OHollands etc puts us in a very good position for 2025 and onwards

 

[The Bighouse]

I have been following this whole Dan Houston situation, i honestly think the only way he won’t nominate us is if we won’t broker a deal for him, everything would have been put forward to Dan already thats why Port are sooking it up about the picks being offered, the filth is just a bluff to try to scare us into paying more. He was a mad Carlton supporter growing up, very close with Jsos who he played junior footy with and has a close relationship with Vossy. The media is just full of s**t coming up with bogus headlines, the only way he goes to the filth is if it’s a last resort and he has no other options and we won’t pay up for him thats it, just let it all play out now.

If he wants back to VIC, he’ll need to go where the deal can be done.

That may or may not be via us, depending on how much we are prepared to give up (and suitable additional picks that can be sourced).

PTA don’t have to trade him due the lengthy contract he willingly signed.

Judd didn’t prefer us but they knew we could get the best deal with WCE to make it work (uncontracted too), so the nomination was made = start of the player nominating a club.

 

[carlton_99]

I haven’t been fully invested in Houston as I’ve favoured the draft, but as long as we have 1 top 15 pick and get the Campos, I’m ok with adding Houston.

Yep I 100% agree with this. But in all honestly it does make it hard to get a Houston deal done.

 

[The Bighouse]

Getting rid of a player that's just won Best Clubman just doesn't sit right with me

Will be sad to see Kennedy go

Mutual decision. If player wants more midfield minutes, he’ll need to scour the market for those opportunities.

Still no certainty to depart.

Richmond will have a stack of picks that may assist to get him moving.

 

[SurreyBlue]

That's exactly what they're saying about us on the Pies board.
I do feel dirty for being over there (only checking the Wright rumours)

I just couldn’t read their mindless dribble any longer. Their hatred towards us shows in their temperament.
We never used to lose games that mattered against this mob.
Just wish our players and club restored that mentality.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Yep I 100% agree with this. But in all honestly it does make it hard to get a Houston deal done.

I’d suspect if we got 13 from the Suns, I think we unfortunately would need to part both 12 and 13 to a club like GWS.

Maybe something like:
Carlton give up: 12, 13 and 34
GWS give up: 15, 16 and 21

We then trade 16 and 21 to Port for Houston. They get 2 1sts like what they have wanted, we get Houston but still have presence in the draft early with pick 15

 

[carlton_99]

I’d suspect if we got 13 from the Suns, I think we unfortunately would need to part both 12 and 13 to a club like GWS.

Maybe something like:
Carlton give up: 12, 13 and 34
GWS give up: 15, 16 and 21

We then trade 16 and 21 to Port for Houston. They get 2 1sts like what they have wanted, we get Houston but still have presence in the draft early with pick 15

But to get 13 we need F1 and F2 and you can't trade both picks unless you get another one in (in the 1st or 2nd round) or get an exemption from the AFL. I guess Kennedy could get us a F2 but it isn't likely to be a deal that happens til very late in the trade period if at all.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I’d suspect if we got 13 from the Suns, I think we unfortunately would need to part both 12 and 13 to a club like GWS.

Maybe something like:
Carlton give up: 12, 13 and 34
GWS give up: 15, 16 and 21

We then trade 16 and 21 to Port for Houston. They get 2 1sts like what they have wanted, we get Houston but still have presence in the draft early with pick 15

No. Not worth 2 firsts.
Port can ask, but let them take the Collingwood offer, which by the way, isn’t 2 firsts either.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

But to get 13 we need F1 and F2 and you can't trade both picks unless you get another one in (in the 1st or 2nd round) or get an exemption from the AFL. I guess Kennedy could get us a F2 but it isn't likely to be a deal that happens til very late in the trade period if at all.

There’s always ways. Still think there’s a possibility we trade a player that’s currently not on the trade table.

Have to be flexible this time of year and improve the list

 

[carlton_99]

There’s always ways. Still think there’s a possibility we trade a player that’s currently not on the trade table.

Have to be flexible this time of year and improve the list

I'm so interested in the Houston player side of things. Genuinely didn't think he would nominate until a deal could be done to help out Port. But now it seems the nomination may have to happen before GCS will deal 13

 

[HereComesJuddy]

No. Not worth 2 firsts.
Port can ask, but let them take the Collingwood offer, which by the way, isn’t 2 firsts either.

They 100% won’t let Houston leave with us just offering 13. And based off my proposal of draft pick swaps, we still maintain pick 15.

What else can we offer Port as we won’t have any more picks and still need to bank some later picks to match Ben’s bid

 

[marcmurphy3]

It sounds like GC want to deal 13 to whoever will get a deal done for Houston. They want him traded as it will help them to extract maximum value from Port for Jack L.

The negative to that, it is reduces our chances of being able to get 13 to take to the draft, if Port want to much for Houston. On the plus side, GC probably won't deal it to the pies unless/until Houston says he actually wants to go there. If they trade the pick to the wrong party, there is every possibility Houston stays at Port, making it really hard for them to get decent compensation for Jack L.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I’d suspect if we got 13 from the Suns, I think we unfortunately would need to part both 12 and 13 to a club like GWS.

Maybe something like:
Carlton give up: 12, 13 and 34
GWS give up: 15, 16 and 21

We then trade 16 and 21 to Port for Houston. They get 2 1sts like what they have wanted, we get Houston but still have presence in the draft early with pick 15

I hope we don't bother with him... he's just going to cost too much draft capital for what he'll bring imo.

We're effectively handing the Giants first dibs before us and leaving us with what's left at pick 15.

Austin should stick to his guns, if we get 12 + 13, that really gives us a great crack at drafting a couple of talented kids in before what's perceived to be a weaker draft next year and then compromised drafts with Tassie coming in.

We'd probably need 34 to get another F2 anyway. * would be the best suitor, they need points for Kako.

 

[Jimmae]

If I was GC, I would be struggling to accept even Noble, Collingwood's F1 and pick 36 for 13 and 29.

Port have absolutely nothing to make a deal happen either. This is wild

 

[WalshYouLegend]

Leppitsch coming across as a real blunt instrument in his new role

He might not be the sharpest tool in the shed but he is the biggest tool at the Colliwobbles.

 

[Wickzki]

My two cents:

Not sure why Port would be in a hurry to help Collingwood. The additions of Perryman (who Port missed out on) and Houston would go a long way to putting them back near the top of contending teams.

Holding out for a trade with us where Dan would be a great piece but limits our options in improving the list elsewhere with more holes to fill to really lay claim or North Melbourne where Dan would be the veteran star on a great contract and leadership position on a team a couple of tiers below where you believe you are would be much preferred.

Until Dan nominates a specific club the last of those clubs I'd send Dan to if I were Port would be Collingwood. Great way to narrow your window.

1. North - their window is probably just after theirs

2. Carlton - lots of holes to fill and not as much to play with as what we'd want to do it.

3. Collingwood - open up their window.

 

[mjonc43]

Houston has plenty of reasons to want us over Collingwood, why would they be "reasonably confident"?

I reckon Houston's destination is roughly

60% Carlton
20% Collingwood
20% Port

If he was really that open to Collingwood, than the conversation would have already moved on to how the Pies get it done.

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95% Collingwood, 5% Port

I'm not sure why people.dont listen to Austin

Houston hasn't nominated us, as he isn't our priority, the draft is.

We won't give away the farm to get pick 13, in fact our F1 and F2 is way over already.

 

[Manhattanite]

I hope we don't bother with him... he's just going to cost too much draft capital for what he'll bring imo.

We're effectively handing the Giants first dibs before us and leaving us with what's left at pick 15.

Austin should stick to his guns, if we get 12 + 13, that really gives us a great crack at drafting a couple of talented kids in before what's perceived to be a weaker draft next year and then compromised drafts with Tassie coming in.

We'd probably need 34 to get another F2 anyway. * would be the best suitor, they need points for Kako.

On your valid point of using 34 to get F2 it’s possible that Ben Camporeale is bid on just before that and very possible he’s bid on before say Pick 42 (or whatever else we get for Kennedy or Owies though Owies could be worth even less now). So neither Picks 34 or say 42 are as useful so that’s probably what we combine for an F2.

Either we get Richmond to give us their valuable F2 for our 34 and Kennedy (which points wise actually under values Kennedy in the new points system) or we trade with someone else. We could also offer that Richmond F2 as a pick upgrade for Ports F2 as an additional premium over Pick 13.

If this is true then we may need to trade Kennedy (or Owies) first to unlock that additional F2 before we can make the GCS trade. I’m not sure if AFL allows us to trade F2 first and then we have a timer to get another F2 or whether we have to always hold at least one. TBF even the AFL probably also doesn’t know.



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[Opium]

I’d suspect if we got 13 from the Suns, I think we unfortunately would need to part both 12 and 13 to a club like GWS.

Maybe something like:
Carlton give up: 12, 13 and 34
GWS give up: 15, 16 and 21

We then trade 16 and 21 to Port for Houston. They get 2 1sts like what they have wanted, we get Houston but still have presence in the draft early with pick 15

That's a terrible result. We should take these picks to the draft. This is a big opportunity to regenerate our list with elite youth.
Am I the only one that doesn't want Houston based on cost?

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Surely Port just get an exemption from the AFL to trade their future first. I can’t see why that is even an issue.

 

[CoachB]

I haven’t been fully invested in Houston as I’ve favoured the draft, but as long as we have 1 top 15 pick and get the Campos, I’m ok with adding Houston.

He’s not just a HBF, he’s a guy that can cut teams to shreds and make 80 metre plays. I also think players like Saad and Newman need to not be the main couple coming out of defence. By adding Houston we add layers all throughout the ground and I can see Cowan playing some extended midfield minutes in 2025 if we do get Houston.

But I stand firm, we must still hold a 1st round pick this year (preferably not the end of round).

Adding a top 15 draftee, Houston the Campos to add to the improved Lord, Cowan, Moir, Cowan, OHollands etc puts us in a very good position for 2025 and onwards

Where is our key defender coming from??