Bluemour Melting Pot XXIX

[F_therest]

The Saad pick was extremely high, but with a lot of unknowns that year with Covid and kids missing more footy than this year, it was always going to be higher

This. Not all pick 8's are the same...some drafts are stronger than others. Some people get way too caught up on the number itself.

This wasn't the Sam Walsh superdraft. This was a relatively unknown and weak draft given COVID meant many of the top prospects barely played. Pick 8 has different value year to year.

 

[thylacine60]

Ask Tim Kelly and WC if Geelong are easy to deal with. He was forced to wait an extra 12 months and got a lot for him. Similar with the Giants and Cameron.

Sure Geelong can be easy to deal with at times but generally on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th tier deals.

man, have geelong stolen that trade..........

 

[Robertio]

The steak knives are never the focal discussion of a trade.

FMD you said we gave up 7 & 27, i was just letting you know it was 7 & 87, no steak knives.

 

[Coops93]

What's upset you there?

The latest Bluemour in the Bluemour thread

 

[Arr0w]

BF knows we were dealing with Dodo yeah?

That has no bearing on the timing of the final offer or if there were others prior

 

[Coops93]

man, have geelong stolen that trade..........

In retrospect definitely, but at the time Kelly was flying and was generally accepted to be worth it.

Don't have a whole lot of sympathy for the Weagles though so *Shrugs*

 

[F_therest]

As much as this is frustrating I think they will find it very difficult to remove a list manager who in their 12 months at the club has signed two of our key players (Cripps and McKay) and also has traded in two A grade players in Saad and Williams.

Would be tough...the only way is if there are clear fundamental errors or poor behaviour on Austin's part to justify his ousting after only a year...I doubt it though.

I'm happy with the Saad deal. Williams though I had reservations from the start about the $$$ and length of his contract, even if he was a FA. A reported $800-850k is way overs and I didn't like that it's a 6 year deal. I feel it should have been more around $750k over 5 years at most. Even then, he has a bit of history with injuries and is not a proven midfielder outside 1 or 2 outstanding games...did Austin do the necessary checks to see whether Williams had the tank to play the role we earmarked him for?

It's not just about securing the players you mentioned, but they need to be secured on reasonable deals. I'd say Cripps/McKay/Saad deals look about right, other clubs would have offered McKay more. Despite Cripps' recent decline in form I think it's still a reasonable deal although again 6 years seems a touch long...a lot of risk when the club commits to those long-term deals. Williams is on overs and the issue is he's not playing midfield.

We have some important players still OOC though like Kennedy, JSOS and Dow. Austin needs to lock them in. It would be a pretty big disaster actually if any of them choose to leave due to being lowballed or whatever.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

FMD you said we gave up 7 & 27, i was just letting you know it was 7 & 87, no steak knives.

No I didn't...

Yes, unless we brown nose every decision the club makes, it sounds like a hidden agenda to you...

You don't pay pick 8 for a 27 year old hbf. Simple as that.

How about you realise that when a club strikes a deal, that impacts their reputation? Why do you think Dodoro is notorious for being a fu** wit at the trade table?

If you think Freo won't say something along the lines of "well you paid pick 8 for a hbf, Cerra is young and set to be a star midfielder, we're going to need a fair bit more than pick 9 (or 10-13) to get it done" then you're dreaming.

It will cost our 1st + SPS minimum.

Where in that post did I ever mention pick 7 and 27?

 

[Metalcrusher]

That has no bearing on the timing of the final offer or if there were others prior

You are making this too easy, let them work a little for the scraps mate ...

 

[skadoosh]

Farewell bigblueboy, it was nice knowing you.

 

[bigblueboy]

Farewell bigblueboy, it was nice knowing you.

Thanks mate, appreciate it.

 

[Hands On]

Just try to do the maths. in 2021 there's $13.4 million salary cap

How much is Crippa, H, Williams, Saad, Martin, CC & McGov on already?
I'll throw some will numbers just for demonstration purposes (feel free to correct if you know the actual numbers):

• Crippa $900K
• H $800K
• Williams $800K
• Saad $700K
• Martin $600K
• McGov $600K
• CC $800K

That's $5.2m already for these 7 players
$8.2m remaining divide by the remaining 33 players (assuming 40 in the list) = $~250K per player - which is as expected right?

So we are going to lose a few of these ~$250K players and find room for Walsh who will command $900K per season.
None of the players listed above are going to end their contract any time soon (refer to this https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...list-and-contract-status.368412/post-70736779)

So how would we find another $700K for Cerra - too hard basket I would say.
Concentrate on finding $900K for Walsh instead - that got to be our priority!

 

[DangerousD]

Just try to do the maths. in 2021 there's $13.4 million salary cap

How much is Crippa, H, Williams, Saad, Martin, CC & McGov on already?
I'll throw some will numbers just for demonstration purposes (feel free to correct if you know the actual numbers):

• Crippa $900K
• H $800K
• Williams $800K
• Saad $700K
• Martin $600K
• McGov $600K
• CC $800K

That's $5.2m already for these 7 players
$8.2m remaining divide by the remaining 33 players (assuming 40 in the list) = $~250K per player - which is as expected right?

So we are going to lose a few of these ~$250K players and find room for Walsh who will command $900K per season.
None of the players listed above are going to end their contract any time soon (refer to this https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...list-and-contract-status.368412/post-70736779)

So how would we find another $700K for Cerra - too hard basket I would say.
Concentrate on finding $900K for Walsh instead - that got to be our priority!

You’re basing your maths, of assumptions, Cripps contract was reported at $750,000 per year, media reports have Saad at $650,000 per year, if that’s true, that’s $200,000 per year under, that’s not considering if the numbers above are base rate or max rate.

You would also have roughly 12 players at any given time, under $120,000 per year, which frees up a lot of cash

 

[AceAndy]

Disappointed but not surprised by the rumour we have made an offer to Clarkson.

I am feeling that Clarkson will be at Carlton next year.

 

[DangerousD]

Bluemour no discussion thread.

Reads like the perfect rumour to me, a piece of information that seems likely, that most would support, with a bit of homemade Mayo on the side.

 

[JuddgementDay]

You’re basing your maths, of assumptions, Cripps contract was reported at $750,000 per year, media reports have Saad at $650,000 per year, if that’s true, that’s $200,000 per year under, that’s not considering if the numbers above are base rate or max rate.

You would also have roughly 12 players at any given time, under $120,000 per year, which frees up a lot of cash

True, but I was only demonstrating via contract $$$ guesses. So these numbers are rubbery and lots of give and take!

The point being we have a lot of $$$ on big contracts in recent time and none of those players are due to be at the end of their contract any time soon, throw in Weitering as well.

So, it will be hard enough to scramble to get $900K for Walsh, less alone worried about $700K for Cerra

 

[thylacine60]

Reads like the perfect rumour to me, a piece of information that seems likely, that most would support, with a bit of homemade Mayo on the side.

Melbourne salmonella outbreak blamed on mayonnaise at Langham hotel

Raw-egg mayonnaise from hotel kitchens tested positive for the same strain of salmonella found in 90 people who ate at the hotel on 11 and 12 July

www.theguardian.com

 

[DangerousD]

True, but I was only demonstrating via contract $$$ guesses. So these numbers are rubbery and lots of give and take!

The point being we have a lot of $$$ on big contracts in recent time and none of those players are due to be at the end of their contract any time soon, throw in Weitering as well.

So, it will be hard enough to scramble to get $900K for Walsh, less alone worried about $700K for Cerra

Personally, I don’t think Walsh will be on $900,000, he isn’t OOC until 2023, my opinion of him, is that he will sign on for unders, how much, who knows, come draft time, it will be interesting who we move on, maybe the club will trade some middle rung players like Setters, LOB, SPS, who are already on their second contracts, which will free up some cash.

GOV and Charlie, two years left are the closest ones to running out.

 

[DangerousD]

Melbourne salmonella outbreak blamed on mayonnaise at Langham hotel

Raw-egg mayonnaise from hotel kitchens tested positive for the same strain of salmonella found in 90 people who ate at the hotel on 11 and 12 July

www.theguardian.com

So Lloyd was at the High tea, poisoned, Liddle scrambling to save him?

 

[LanceRomance]

Recruited Williams as midfielder?

His job was to recruit the player, I. Imagine teague and co promised him midfield time

 

[Blue and Blue]

So if we had won 5 more games this season and sitting 5th or 6th...would all be ok?

Its amusing the way all logic is thrown away to try and prove a theory that certain people are to blame for losing games of football.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

So if we had won 5 more games this season and sitting 5th or 6th...would all be ok?

Its amusing the way all logic is thrown away to try and prove a theory that certain people are to blame for losing games of football.

Wut. I'm really confused by this post. Is it intentionally really dense to prove a point? Or do you really not know whether things would be better at Carlton if we were 5th atm...

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

You don't pay pick 8 for a 27 year old hbf. Simple as that.

What about a 26yo one?

 

[thylacine60]

What about a 26yo one?

every day of the week

 

[La Dispute]

Whilst I agree we slightly overpaid, how can you, or anyone say with any certainty, that SOS wouldn’t have done that?

SOS wouldn’t have given up 8 for Saad, even though SOS said publicly, I’d give up 8 for Saad.

SOS offered pick 12 for Tomlinson, if not for a backflip, he’d be in Blue, and we would be without one of Charlie or Harry.

No one knows, it’s just a guess.

SOS had clear motive for publicly backing the Pick 8 for Saad deal. Help out his good mate Dodoro, and undercut the club the year after he was turfed.

I didn't realise Tomlinson wanted to join? My recollection was we wanted to trade for him, and he wasn't keen. The perception at the time though was that he was a promising key forward who was about to break out, but was stuck behind a couple of players (position-wise) at the Giants.

I can't remember too many high stakes trades SOS is considered to have lost, which leads me to believe he would have been far more creative in facilitating peripheral deals and made Essendon sweat far more than they did.