Bluemour Melting Pot XXIX

[SkyhorseTamer]

I'm hoping that Brad Scott is in play too, really don't want Clarkson or Lyon.

Kinda warm to Pyke tbf

 

[Stamos]

Disagree heavily. Our list on talent is better than most. The hard work and attitude is cultural and most will follow a good coach who provides framework for that culture, the others will be cycled out in a very short time frame.

100%

 

[gab213]

Disagree heavily. Our list on talent is better than most. The hard work and attitude is cultural and most will follow a good coach who provides framework for that culture, the others will be cycled out in a very short time frame.

My problem with this is I don't believe that players should get to pick and choose when they will work hard or for who. I'm convinced that our biggest problem has been in allowing the tail to wag the dog for far too long, we need a strong coach who won't put up with it.

 

[gab213]

Disagree heavily. Our list on talent is better than most. The hard work and attitude is cultural and most will follow a good coach who provides framework for that culture, the others will be cycled out in a very short time frame.

I think that we will find that a few will need to be moved on if we're to be successful, well see.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

My problem with this is I don't believe that players should get to pick and choose when they will work hard or for who. I'm convinced that our biggest problem has been in allowing the tail to wag the dog for far too long, we need a strong coach who won't put up with it.

Well yes I agree but I also think players will fall in line for a strong coach. So the point goes back to needing a strong coach. All players will wag the dog if possible. The talents undeniable. The standards are not.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

I think that we will find that a few will need to be moved on if we're to be successful, well see.

On this I'm just hopeful, more than knowing. Hopeful that it is mainly just the fact the Teagues created or been a part of such large culture problems that players have had almost no choice but to 'wag'. We will hopefully (that word again) find out sooner rather than later.

 

[gab213]

Kinda warm to Pyke tbf

I'd settle for him if Scott wasn't available. Prefer either to Clarkson or Lyon.

 

[SurreyBlue]

My problem with this is I don't believe that players should get to pick and choose when they will work hard or for who. I'm convinced that our biggest problem has been in allowing the tail to wag the dog for far too long, we need a strong coach who won't put up with it.

That has nothing to do with talent. The coaches role is to ensure all players are on the same page and willing to do the team things. Having a talented list, makes the success smoother but the work ethic is instilled by the coaches and leaders.

 

[2blue4u]

Yeah other clubs have them to but all those examples are of clubs in the top 4, or recent premierships. Where those stars pull them through bad days. Ours pull us through or we lose. Every game.

Completely right about the assistants. Should've been cleared out and reset.

But also you will notice i quoted midfielders. Our midfield is 1 of the poorest in the comp at this moment and has been for a while. Games are won and lost in the midfield. Our bright idea was to go get a hb flanker to help our midfield. How has that worked out? The hole that has been the biggest in our list for so long is still not filled.That is the problem it isnot just 1 thing at the club but ultimately the coach takes the arrow for everyones failures.

 

[gab213]

That has nothing to do with talent. The coaches role is to ensure all players are on the same page and willing to do the team things. Having a talented list, makes the success smoother but the work ethic is instilled by the coaches and leaders.

On talent i think we have a fair bit but not enough yet to have a great team. Not every talented junior makes it in the AFL

 

[FRUMPY]

Well yes I agree but I also think players will fall in line for a strong coach. So the point goes back to needing a strong coach. All players will wag the dog if possible. The talents undeniable. The standards are not.

I think most will fall in line under a new coach and some won't. And the 'some who won't' are the issue ATM. And I think some past players and current older players who won't fall in line have had too much of an influence on how the younger players have been influenced.

We need someone to come in and make it clear, your name doesn't matter, your form does.

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[KnaveyBlue]

We are the Navy Blues

We are the old dark navy Blues

We’re the team that always lets you down

We’re the only team that doesn’t know



With all the deck chairs

GWS like to send us

We’ll keep our ends down

And they'll know that they've been playing

Against the lazy old dark Blues!

This may be the worst post I have ever seen on this forum.

 

[Poorman53]

Lloyd also gone. Austin on notice but I expect to remain (our coaching and development haven’t done the list any favours). Liddle to remain.



#Bluemour

I'll be taking that with a grain of salt. Austin will be there in 2022.

 

[gab213]

But also you will notice i quoted midfielders. Our midfield is 1 of the poorest in the comp at this moment and has been for a while. Games are won and lost in the midfield. Our bright idea was to go get a hb flanker to help our midfield. How has that worked out? The hole that has been the biggest in our list for so long is still not filled.That is the problem it isnot just 1 thing at the club but ultimately the coach takes the arrow for everyones failures.

I think we still have midfield issues to address, KPD Stock is lacking and were short an experienced ruckman.

 

[SurreyBlue]

But also you will notice i quoted midfielders. Our midfield is 1 of the poorest in the comp at this moment and has been for a while. Games are won and lost in the midfield. Our bright idea was to go get a hb flanker to help our midfield. How has that worked out? The hole that has been the biggest in our list for so long is still not filled.That is the problem it isnot just 1 thing at the club but ultimately the coach takes the arrow for everyones failures.

Our midfield is as talented as anyone else’s. What our team lacks is team first mentality and team work ethic.
GWS has suffered from the same cultural issues. Talented but not willing to work hard enough when needed.

 

[RedFury]

The way Cripps goes about his game is such a disappointment. He will run into the opposition player on purpose as if to show how big and strong he is, while taking on contact he is off-balance and majority of the time his handballs are ineffective, turnovers or go to one of our players who is already under pressure themselves. Yes, it looks pretty impressive what he did to Rowell, taking him on shrugging him off and delivering to Honey. But that was one time it worked out compared to how many times he's stuffed it up?

What happened to taking the first option with a well-directed handball. For some reason he thinks he has to take on the opposition tackler every single time.

Sometimes it certainly does *feel* like he waits with his disposal just so he can take on the tackler. Doesn't always go well. Frustrating.

 

[Aramari]

I think it says more about ours!

It goes without saying that we look incompetent. Just reckon Lepa shat on us in public, which is considered poor form in many cultures.

 

[2blue4u]

Disagree heavily. Our list on talent is better than most. The hard work and attitude is cultural and most will follow a good coach who provides framework for that culture, the others will be cycled out in a very short time frame.

I think you are confusing talent and potential. And considering our long injury list for most of the year to players who in our team are walk up 22 starters then that also has taken a toll.
But please tell me how many of these players are walk up starters in a good side.

Dow, Murphy, Obrien, SPS, Kennedy, Fogarty, Carrol, Kemp, Betts ,Plowman, Newman, Fisher, Parks, Pittonet, Durdin, Williamson, Newnes, Ramsay, Philp, Boyd, Mcdonald, Gibbons, Casboult, Setterfield, Owies, Mirkov, Cottrell.
Basically none of those are walk up starters to a good side. Then add to that list long term injury to players. Docherty, Marchbank and Charlie has just come back after 2 years. Then you have Cripps who can barely get past a jog and looks all out of sorts.
Sorry but i dont see the talented list you see.

 

[2blue4u]

Our midfield is as talented as anyone else’s. What our team lacks is team first mentality and team work ethic.
GWS has suffered from the same cultural issues. Talented but not willing to work hard enough when needed.

Please tell me how many of our mids are commanding big contracts from other teams at the moment? Just 1 of them. I agree on work ethic but talentented as any other teams midfield i can not agree with.

 

[Heres Waite]

I'd settle for him if Scott wasn't available. Prefer either to Clarkson or Lyon.

I saw some posts over on the main board from Soapy v saying Clarkson has said NO and that Lyon is not in the picture. He said Pyke looks to be strong candidate. Said Sayers wants to build a strong footy department and has spoken to numerous people about the footy manager role.

 

[ferrisb]

The jordan Boyd recruitment has to be questioned. By no means a good VFL player let alone AFL. Nepotism at play?

Nopetism...

 

[Stamos]

I think most will fall in line under a new coach and some won't. And the 'some who won't' are the issue ATM. And I think some past players and current older players who won't fall in line have had too much of an influence on how the younger players have been influenced.

We need someone to come in and make it clear, your name doesn't matter, your form does.

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The older players have to go, regardless of who is coach next year. The young talent needs to be given a chance to shine. But the quickest way to success will be getting that young talent to shine, not shipping it off early for unders.

 

[Stamos]

Please tell me how many of our mids are commanding big contracts from other teams at the moment? Just 1 of them. I agree on work ethic but talentented as any other teams midfield i can not agree with.

They've been trained by a line coach who was let go half way through the year, and a broader coaching panel who will likely all be gone after the next games. Why don't we see what they're like with some proper coaching?

 

[RedFury]

For any programmers out there (and I know there are a few) I've written the following code to describe us. If someone could code review please, that would be great

If (consecutiveWins == 0 && mediaPressure >= 'Rampant' && chanceToMakeFinals <= "****-all" && !opponent.isTop8Side() ) { . defensivePressure = QualityLevel.AFL; . chanceToWin = "Realistic"; } else { . defensivePressure = QualityLevel.PARK; . chanceToWin = "****-all"; . teagueSaysWeNeedToGetBetter = 100; }

Feel free to extend this code if necessary!

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

I think you are confusing talent and potential. And considering our long injury list for most of the year to players who in our team are walk up 22 starters then that also has taken a toll.
But please tell me how many of these players are walk up starters in a good side.

Dow, Murphy, Obrien, SPS, Kennedy, Fogarty, Carrol, Kemp, Betts ,Plowman, Newman, Fisher, Parks, Pittonet, Durdin, Williamson, Newnes, Ramsay, Philp, Boyd, Mcdonald, Gibbons, Casboult, Setterfield, Owies, Mirkov, Cottrell.
Basically none of those are walk up starters to a good side. Then add to that list long term injury to players. Docherty, Marchbank and Charlie has just come back after 2 years. Then you have Cripps who can barely get past a jog and looks all out of sorts.
Sorry but i dont see the talented list you see.

Talent is potential. Both require a workable system, good culture and effort to materialise. Things provided by the club. Ours hasn't provided that well enough which then makes it impossible to know the level of those players you've listed outside the fact that they've, at times, shown their talent but not all the time. A good coach brings that consistency up. Making your list much much shorter. Also a bunch of those are first year or depth, which every club has. So they shouldn't be listed anyway. All clubs have developing groups who aren't walk up starts. That's cause they're developing still.......

People were saying the same about Melbournes list and Richmonds before that and even the swans before that. Talent needs system, effort, buy in and consistency.