Bluemour Melting Pot XXIX

[Stickitupthem]

Sorry guys no more info from me.. Brett Temple..

Always looked forward to your posts hopefully you can throw him off your scent and come back to us

 

[BigFrizz36]

I got a feeling Lyon is like our older players. He's hungry for the success he should've already had. He knows he's good enough.

When's the last time we saw a four-time premiership coach make the switch to a new club and win multiple flags?

Lyon will come to Carlton for all the right reasons. I'm not so sure Clarko will.

It's a strange question to ask. Let me ask this - how many 4 time premiership coaches (still with the fire) have ever been available when a coaching appointment is about to be made.

I can't remember ever a coach like clarkson being available. How many 4 time premiership coaches been appointed to a new club and failed? Probably Barassi at Melbourne and the swans. Both clubs would tell you he did a great job without a decent playing list. Hardly a big sample size.

Don't get me wrong, not saying Clarkson is a must, but rather that your means for discounting him doesn't add up.

We have to also overlook a bit of baggage to make the case that Lyon is our best option. Forget the goofy uncle personna that he portrays in the media. Remember the sexual harassment allegations at freo and the way that he jumped ship on the saints mid contract negotiations.

You could easily argue that there is a much larger capacity for things to go wrong if we appointed Ross Lyon.

 

[Dramoth]

I'd like to have a chat with the person who created 'comic sans'

Ask them how much money it would take to make it disappear from our computers for good.

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Just like I want to meet up with the person who came up with the idea that sending millions of emails without being asked to was a good idea. It’d be an interesting meeting… me, the spam king, and an axe.

 

[forever blue 1]

This is the shittest haiku I've ever seen.

I can do better

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Perhaps the conclusion its the sum of all parts.
When talking of the most dominant teams of this century.

Brisbane - inspiring captain and legendary coach and arguably best list of players this century. I have no clue regarding the rest of the club and culture but i will guess matthews plays are major role.

Geelong - captains often used as examples of picking best leader not best player. Great list of players and bomber was clearly a very good coach, perhaps not given the same credit as others, but had a massive impact on uplifting the club as a whole into one of the most professional clubs in afl. Brian cook i would argue was critical to their longevity as a benchmark club.

Hawks - captain, coach and club trifecta. All the ingredients needed. They also assembled a pretty good group of players, that performed when it counted in September.

Richmond - its well documented how selfless cotchin became and is a great leader, and so with dimma and the club getting theit sh*t together and a freak named martin they destroyed teams in sept. Their list was very good but not great.

There you go. You need most things right to become dominant, you cant succeed with a weak link.

I think you're exactly right and on top of all those things listed those clubs had some extremely talented assistant coaches through those dominant eras too.

Takes a hell of a lot to win a premiership

 

[forever blue 1]

I think you're exactly right and on top of all those things listed those clubs had some extremely talented assistant coaches through those dominant eras too.

Takes a hell of a lot to win a premiership

Takes a hell of a lot just to make finals

 

[no fate]

Unfortunately it’s not true

* will make the Finals if they win their last two games against the Suns and the Pies because the Eagles will absolutely lose one of their last two games against the Dockers and Lions (at Gabba or third venue)

So the Giants and * will both make the Finals and they will both play “away” games against the Lions and Swans and hopefully the * finals wins drought continues




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Let's see, first step is for eagles to get over the dockers which they should do. I don't rate the eagles but think they can beat the lions for a finals spot when the chips are down, and lions won't have much to play for. Would be some strange satisfaction to see * narrowly miss finals because Carlton have checked out for 2021.

Failing that, happy to see * finish 8th and get steamrolled by Brisbane week 1, hopefully with Daniher to kick a big bag, that also works for me.

 

[ferrisb]

May or may not be bullsh*t I just made up, but I like this 'rumour' so I'll post it here.

Carlton will not show up against the giants next week, if * are relying on us to win so they can make finals.

Sounds like our 2018 match against them...

 

[Crippa#9]

Baffles me that some people want Buckley. The way he treated Lumumba, Mayne and Trelour in recent years does not speak leadership IMO

lol
ridiculous

 

[BlueJet]

It's a strange question to ask. Let me ask this - how many 4 time premiership coaches (still with the fire) have ever been available when a coaching appointment is about to be made.

I can't remember ever a coach like clarkson being available. How many 4 time premiership coaches been appointed to a new club and failed? Probably Barassi at Melbourne and the swans. Both clubs would tell you he did a great job without a decent playing list. Hardly a big sample size.

Don't get me wrong, not saying Clarkson is a must, but rather that your means for discounting him doesn't add up.

We have to also overlook a bit of baggage to make the case that Lyon is our best option. Forget the goofy uncle personna that he portrays in the media. Remember the sexual harassment allegations at freo and the way that he jumped ship on the saints mid contract negotiations.

You could easily argue that there is a much larger capacity for things to go wrong if we appointed Ross Lyon.

Yep & I likely have an overly simplistic outlook but I see Lyon as representing a greater risk of imploding without the proven record of success.

 

[forever blue 1]

Yep & I likely have an overly simplistic outlook but I see Lyon as representing a greater risk of imploding without the proven record of success.

Grand finals aren’t success ?
I consider success getting to finals each year with a premiership chance

 

[calman]

Yep & I likely have an overly simplistic outlook but I see Lyon as representing a greater risk of imploding without the proven record of success.

ball bounces left instead of right, milne kicks the goals and saints win first flag against geelong since 66
harmes taps it to shledon from outside boundry line to kick winning goal against pies in 79

both GF decided by a matter of inches

can lead a horse to water but cant force it to drink
coaches who get sides to a GF have p[roven they can coach
Lyon has done it at 2 separate basket case clubs in freo and saints
it both cases his teams came up against legenday oppostion sides
both have not had another coach even able to help them to a prelim
lyon can coach

 

[mjonc43]

Rumour: Murphy will play 301, as we have no more players left that are fit.


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[Triniboy]

Says a lot about the true problem.

I beg to differ. At the end of the the head coach is res
We’ve had a number of high draft picks in past past few years that haven’t been developed

Hard to say if Teague has failed. 6 coaching changes have done nothing, which tells me it is a player culture issue. Teague has been our 2nd best coach this century by a fair margin. (pic says Teague's winning record is 48%, it's 44%). Pic below shows our general failure as a club more so than any coach.

I beg to differ. At the end of the day the head coach is responsible for player development and that’s why we we find ourselves in the position we are today.
We’ve had numerous high draft picks in the past few years that haven’t come thru as they should and why?…injuries aside the likes of O’Brien, Owies, Honey, Dow, Kennedy, SPS…have been shunted in and out of the side…what confidence has that instilled…
The majority of us thought Essendon would languish at the bottom of the ladder for a couple years…they’ve played their young draft picks and gone straight past us in one season.

 

[blue healer]

I’ve asked this before and not received an answer, I’ll ask again. If you are of the belief Teague should stay, what on field outcomes that you can attribute to his and his coaching team’s strategy give you the confidence he is the person to lift #17?

I see nothing to suggest he is, and the only ‘reason’ I’ve seen given here is a generalised discomfort with the thought of sacking another coach. a sentiment I think most people here would share - certainly I do.

but I’m highly interested in people’s views on his performance as a coach that suggest to them he’s the right person.

Okay, quite simple for me. I do not know if he is the right person and don't pretend that I can critique his game plan, or lack thereof. But what I can question is if he has been given a reasonable chance to succeed.

I've said all this before but here goes again. He is still to complete 2 full seasons as coach and people have been calling for his removal for almost this full season.

Both of his full seasons have been seriously affected by Covid. Scratch match development programs and Hub living all have to have had an effect on any development/coaching strategies he may want to initiate.

Most on here agree that there is a serious problem with our support (through football management and assistants) but we're more than happy to blame Teague alone for this and pretend we know that he ignores both tactical and medical advice.

Injuries to key players. Just look at our Tall and Ruck stocks over the last few weeks (weeks, incidentally, that his back was against the wall big time) All of our big name recruits have been disappointing mainly because of constant injury problems. These were the players that we were relying on most to lift us up the ladder and they've effectively been no help at all. Yes, you could say all teams have injury problems but I'd point out that this is the first year in many that Richmond have had some of their better players injured, and how are they (and Hardwick) handling it?

I've already seen Hardwick use this as an excuse in a presser and FWIW have seen Clarkson do it as well. I've never seen Teague complain about injury numbers.

Worth also noting that a number of far better credentialed teams than us have been beaten far more convincingly than we have. We've had games where I have felt we looked terrible but we have yet to be blown off the park.

In summary, I just do not believe that 2 years is enough time to give an untried coach. We are well prepared to give many of our draftees 5 or more years to develop and yet the coach gets two? Is there a huge difference here?

As I said, I have no idea if he could be a successful coach, my crystal ball isn't that good, but I firmly believe that he has not been so bad (given the above) that he cannot be permitted to at least finish his contract.

 

[NavyBlueHeaven]

Rumour: Murphy will play 301, as we have no more players left that are fit.


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Give Ramsay and Carrol a game

 

[Ken Navies]

We are talking about a bloke who after 20 years of practice was still staring bug eyed at his cue cards while trying to read them on the news.

Tim Watson - Champion footballer - Year 8 graduate - Abject failure coach - Dream Team architect - Liar - Helps keep tradies awake at 7AM - Roams boundaries.

Never forget that this is a man who proudly claims, on air, that he wears clear non prescription glasses because it makes him look ‘more intelligent’.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Maybe a cheeky name change is in order for b70..

A man can dream... ah well, I'll miss your info Barass! Thanks for the input over the years!

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Barassflopper or B70flopper

PS: Thanks for all the great rumours in the past barass70

 

[My Hat]

Carlton's poor culture goes way beyond coaches & players.

It started with the Jack Elliot era, brown paper bags, the belief that 'War chests' and big bags of cash thrown at a player fixes all (and recent recruiting doesn't dispel that unfortunately), the lack of consequences for poor form and the constant Mollycoddling of 'Star Recruits' when form doesn't justify it, poor recruiting with the drafting players with an emphasis based on traits like athletics ability - instead of basic football skills, the continual experimentation with players out of their natural position, the lack of accountability by the club when dealing with players and addiction/poor social behavior, and my pet hate, which is at an all time worst ever under Liddle, is the constant wallpapering over poor losses, Mental fragility and the inability to put teams to the sword, with sickening fluff pieces and club propaganda almost immediately after.

I think Clarkson understands this should be given carte blanche to address it at all levels if he comes on-board.

Nobody should be given carte blanche.

Carte blanche is another way of saying that this person will be our messiah, that they alone can solve all of our problems.

If we give anyone carte blanche we've learnt nothing.

 

[myblueroan]

We are talking about a bloke who after 20 years of practice was still staring bug eyed at his cue cards while trying to read them on the news.

Tim Watson - Champion footballer - Year 8 graduate - Abject failure coach - Dream Team architect - Liar - Helps keep tradies awake at 7AM - Roams boundaries.

I like Tim.

 

[zeggie]

Never forget that this is a man who proudly claims, on air, that he wears clear non prescription glasses because it makes him look ‘more intelligent’.

Serious?

 

[mjonc43]

Give Ramsay and Carrol a game

Ramsay won’t, he obviously did something to the match committee. He has had more possessions in one game than Durdin in the year.

How did we replace a ball winner with a small pressure forward?


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[Aphrodite]

Keeping up with the latest bigfooty fashion trends...
Barassflopper or B70flopper

PS: Thanks for all the great rumours in the past barass70

SFA trend!

 

[WeninRome]

Sad to see B70 go. His intel will be missed.

 

[Metalcrusher]

SFA trend!

That's not very inclusive ...