Bluemour Melting Pot XXV

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Bluemour Melting Pot XXVI

As per the Bluemour File OP, this is a thread for discussing Carlton related rumours. http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/bluemour-file.1085141/ Rumour posters should post their rumours in both threads for those that like just to read rumours and for those that like to have get lost in their...

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[Just Kreuzing]

Sorry but just cannot see the 4 teams agreeing to anything with those players involved.

Melbourne will be keen to hold onto Oliver, Port won’t want to let Wines go either, Hinkley on radio earlier today basically said Wines won’t be going anywhere despite * asking about him for the past 8 years.

 

[Matty411]

Yeah, 100% this. They are the same five players I listed as being expendable but potentially attractive to other clubs.


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Given our draft capital, I expect only 1 or 2 would need to go to get our targets.

 

[Countryblueswitnotattoos]

Can you show your workings?

Regardless of front or back loading, if every player gets a percentage cut then there's no impact on the overall cap. If we're paying 12mil to our players, and the AFL rolls out a 33% paycut, then we just end up paying 8mil instead. The player getting front-loaded still takes the same percentage cut as everyone else.

This is my thinking - if you make an offer in the PSD, you must pay that dollar figure. So $1M is $1M, but is effectively like paying $1.43M if you think about the overall cap pre-covid scale-back (eg. $1M divided by 70% = $1.43M). And then on the other hand, if you back end a player like Cripps, his smaller salary in earlier years is scaled back but he gets the full whack in later years (not a bad deal for Crippa) but then our cap blows out. I'm just thinking the COVID scale back makes it harder for clubs to shift salaries back and forward as the scale back will only be for a year or two and maybe this is why OR is saying the cap will be an issue with Saad in the PSD. I'm just guessing. What do you think BB?

 

[teagueyubeauty]

If the thread needed to move on from SOS/Liddle arguments, Oliver to Carlton oughta do it....

How that shit was allowed to propagate in this thread was a ****ing mystery...thank god this came out.

My all time favourite is OR


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[Countryblueswitnotattoos]

Haven't the AFLPA agreed that is the AFL scale back the slalry cap all the contracts get scaled back accordingly?

Yes but isn't that just for a year or two? So a back-ended contract becomes a lot more valuable than a front loaded one. Just guessing here. Interested to hear other views

 

[sweethoney]

Who's Fred and why is he holding pick 10?

Freo’s

 

[Macca43]

Yes but isn't that just for a year or two? So a back-ended contract becomes a lot more valuable than a front loaded one. Just guessing here. Interested to hear other views

So if we need to front end a contract to Saad other players (like Cripps and McKay) would be happy to re-negotiate and back end theirs.

 

[esoteric]

Is there any indication that Wines would be happy to go to Melbourne?

 

[Metalcrusher]

Is there any indication that Wines would be happy to go to Melbourne?

Apparently he doesn't get a say because we want Oliver. He will go where he is told.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Is there any indication that Wines would be happy to go to Melbourne?

Good mates with Viney, just can’t see Port letting him go anywhere after the season they have had.

 

[Blue__Balls]

This is my thinking - if you make an offer in the PSD, you must pay that dollar figure. So $1M is $1M, but is effectively like paying $1.43M if you think about the overall cap pre-covid scale-back (eg. $1M divided by 70% = $1.43M). And then on the other hand, if you back end a player like Cripps, his smaller salary in earlier years is scaled back but he gets the full whack in later years (not a bad deal for Crippa) but then our cap blows out. I'm just thinking the COVID scale back makes it harder for clubs to shift salaries back and forward as the scale back will only be for a year or two and maybe this is why OR is saying the cap will be an issue with Saad in the PSD. I'm just guessing. What do you think BB?

I'm fairly sure the way the pay cut works is that it is a percentage value taken off every player's contract.

So if Martin is on $1mil for the first year, and Cam Polson is on $100k, then Martin stands to lose $300k while Polson on loses $30k.

So if we sign Saad via the PSD on a front loaded contract, that doesn't make him exempt from an industry-wide pay cut. If anything, it makes him more vulnerable to it.

 

[blueboy25]

Kim Hagdorn on Perth radio this morning was talking about Patrick Cripps

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Patrick Cripps

Age

29

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

and that Fremantle are right into him at the moment. He said Carlton expect him to play out 2021 at Carlton but apparently the talk is Cripps has told both WA clubs he wants to finish his career in Perth.

Coming from Kim Hagdorn means Cripps is about to sign a 10year deal at Carlton

 

[Arr0w]

Is there any indication that Wines would be happy to go to Melbourne?

Viney

 

[HBF]

I hope so otherwise I’ll be pissed off if we don’t get Dunkley

That he might head to * is bad enough.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

And yet the Bombers, in this scenario are getting a second AND Kennedy?

Yeah, I kind of glossed over that bit. Think I had in my head that Saad was somehow involved despite his name not being mentioned.
You'd think one of those would have to go Port's way to even it out a bit.

 

[Matty411]

Good mates with Viney, just can’t see Port letting him go anywhere after the season they have had.

Say they were able to get Fantasia and a first rounder somehow... you'd think its possible. Their midfield makeup is quite one-dimensional still (not Melbourne level, mind you) and have SPP playing forward, who they drafted as that big bull.

Wines, 3rd >>>
<<< Fantasia, 1st
SPP >>> midfield

Could work (I say as a complete neutral).

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

OR just rolls in on a Thursday & drops an absolute BANGER

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

So:

7, 27, 45, future first, Stocker
for
Oliver, Saad, 59

Think we get bent over there.

Would rather do 7, 27 and future first for Oliver and 23, then 23 and Kennedy or JSOS for Saad.

Or 7 and 27 for 13, 18 and 34. Then 13 and future first for Oliver and 18 for Saad.

I wouldn't care about losing that trade if we got Oliver, Saad and Williams through the door in one off-season.
Personally not keen on losing Stocker, but can't see him fitting in anywhere either.

 

[HBF]

Hey, I started the Twiggy thing (innocently) and I don't do after midnight. Rather not be lumped in with the infamous twilight shift.

You'll be lumped in, and you'll like it!

 

[HBF]

Oliver has informed Carlton he wants to play for the Blues next season.

Will only be able to proceed if Saad does not go into the PSD due to salary cap constraints.

BANG!

 

[scblues]

I wouldn't care about losing that trade if we got Oliver, Saad and Williams through the door in one off-season.
Personally not keen on losing Stocker, but can't see him fitting in anywhere either.

Main reason i used Stocker was itk guys saying it was a hawks possibility, so where there is smoke etc etc...

 

[Metalcrusher]

BANG!

Keep up FFS that news is 47 minutes old.

 

[SurreyBlue]

OR just rolls in a Thursday & drops an absolute BANGER

It's all in the timing.....

 

[Opine]

I prefer Wines; he'd possibly be cheaper too

 

[Matty411]

It’s not the whole trade- you are spared- draft picks and a 5th club are involved in negotiations.

Love the insights, mate. But there's just no way on God's green earth that a 4 or 5 club deal gets done, with * involved no less.

Perhaps its as a series of deals, domino-style... but not at once.

Has that even ever been done?