Bluemour Melting Pot XXVII

[HBF]

Sounds promising but not sure if he's the type of project player we need right now.

Knightmare also has Henry Walsh still available at our pick. I'd be more keen on a project ruckman at this point.

Same. I'd be pretty keen on Walsh as well.

 

[Jeremias]

There's been talk about picking up Cam McCarthy as a DFA in other threads, what are your thoughts? I think if we can get him for free he only makes our worst players better, being a replacement for Moore. Averaged 1.4 goals a game across his career, and only 25 years old. Also able to pinch hit in the ruck too.

If choosing one or the other, I would rather keep Moore around for another year.

He may not be good enough, but at least you know he is fully committed.

There are red flags everywhere with McCarthy, would not go anywhere near him.

 

[Mike D]

The less talk about Daw, the better. IMO, useless and waste of a locker

 

[Magruder]

I like Allir, I think he'd be a better lock down defender than Plowman and would allow Weitering to play loose and use his intercept marking more.

I wouldn't say Allir is a better lockdown defender than Plowman.

But he is physically gifted and blessed with decent spacial awareness.
Fair bit of mongrel, tough and nasty.
Versatile.

I like him a lot. He'd play most weeks in most teams.

 

[Magruder]

If choosing one or the other, I would rather keep Moore around for another year.

He may not be good enough, but at least you know he is fully committed.

There are red flags everywhere with McCarthy, would not go anywhere near him.

The less talk about Daw, the better. IMO, useless and waste of a locker

You'd think there'd be a mature KPP floating around the WAFL, VFL or SANFL that could play a depth role from the rookie list.

McCarthy/Daw are not really options although Majak would be more likely to commit.

 

[Weiterbot23]

Plowman played a great came on Cameron in 2019, is a team player, very strong and low center of gravity. He is slow, can't be relied on for anything other than easy defensive 50 exits (same as Jones).

People say he can play on smalls largely because of that game on Cameron, but there is no chance in hell we want him on him in the 2021 prelim or granny.

Stephenson regularly kills him.

Id play Marchank, Williamson and Newman all infront of plow

That's just my opinion, you can just disagree and write me off as having poor acumen if youre a plow fan.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

The less talk about Daw, the better. IMO, useless and waste of a locker

That's a bit harsh.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Kidding yourself

He plays anywhere down the spine

With Charlie out, he would be our 2nd best key forward, is a better ruck/round the ground opinion rather than Pittonet anf cank play key back or 3rd tall defender ahead of Marchbank

Agree that Aliir is a quality player... but our 2nd best key forward minus Charlie? Based on what, his 5 career goals?

Sorry that's hogwash...

Gov, Cas and JSOS would all be better 2nd key forward options than him...

 

[jezzatigerbrent]

lowman played a great came on Cameron in 2019, is a team player, very strong and low center of gravity. He is slow, can't be relied on for anything other than easy defensive 50 exits (same as Jones).

People say he can play on smalls largely because of that game on Cameron, but there is no chance in hell we want him on him in the 2021 prelim or granny.

Stephenson regularly kills him.

Id play Marchank, Williamson and Newman all infront of plow

That's just my opinion, you can just disagree and write me off as having poor acumen if youre a plow fan.

he didn't give Tom papley

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a touch either.-.. And he was one of Carlton's best in the Sydney game.-.. Tom papley

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has serious pace too

 

[Arr0w]

Ed Phillips, interesting player

Reasonable quality of players, being delisted

 

[Blue__Balls]

Plowman played a great came on Cameron in 2019, is a team player, very strong and low center of gravity. He is slow, can't be relied on for anything other than easy defensive 50 exits (same as Jones).

People say he can play on smalls largely because of that game on Cameron, but there is no chance in hell we want him on him in the 2021 prelim or granny.

Stephenson regularly kills him.

Id play Marchank, Williamson and Newman all infront of plow

That's just my opinion, you can just disagree and write me off as having poor acumen if youre a plow fan.

Can I write you off even if I'm not a "Plow Fan(TM)"?

Honestly though, I understand why you feel that way. Personally, I think Plowman is a perfect example of a "team defender". One-out against either a genuine tall or small with any kind of smarts, he's going to struggle a bit. But as part of a defensive mix where opposition players get handed off, he's versatile and gives us plenty of flexibility.

My hope is that with Saad added to the side, there will be less instances of Plowman being isolated in the defensive 50 on a fast break or turnover, because we'll have a very quick small defender to get back and help.

Plowman one-out = prone to a mismatch.
Plowman in a congested 50 = extremely valuable.

I also think his long kicking is significantly better than his short game. So I'm hoping that the addition of Saad, and possibly the return of Marchbank and/or Newman, will see his role change a bit. Even just the removal of Simpson from the side could have a huge impact to the way we come out of defence. He was still, to my memory taking a loooot of the kick-ins last year. Replace all those kick-ins with some from Newman, Willo and Saad (after a run) and we'll be a lot less predictable. Have Plowman delivering long from the HBF towards a leading high forward and it gets even better.

 

[FRUMPY]

Plowman played a great came on Cameron in 2019, is a team player, very strong and low center of gravity. He is slow, can't be relied on for anything other than easy defensive 50 exits (same as Jones).

People say he can play on smalls largely because of that game on Cameron, but there is no chance in hell we want him on him in the 2021 prelim or granny.

Stephenson regularly kills him.

Id play Marchank, Williamson and Newman all infront of plow

That's just my opinion, you can just disagree and write me off as having poor acumen if youre a plow fan.

Doesnt really matter what people think anyway, top 3 in b&F last year, probably be up there again this year - he's playing 22 games a year (maybe more )

 

[Aphrodite]

Ed Phillips, interesting player

Reasonable quality of players, being delisted

Played 15 games in 3 years.

Ed Phillips | AFL

Follow Ed Phillips's progress through AFL

www.saints.com.au

No thanks.

 

[reubs1066]

I wouldn't say Allir is a better lockdown defender than Plowman.

But he is physically gifted and blessed with decent spacial awareness.
Fair bit of mongrel, tough and nasty.
Versatile.

I like him a lot. He'd play most weeks in most teams.

His best is very good, but...when did you last watch a few Sydney games?

 

[BigFrizz36]

I'm still not convinced by Allir. Port play a super rigid defence, they've got key defenders who are very good at defender one-on-one, and rebounding defenders with neat kicking skills - Allir's a bit of an anomaly in there. He's got a lot of athleticism, but defensively he probably only breaks even. Also pretty hit and miss coming out of defence with his footskills and/or decision making.

Has had ample opportunity at Sydney over the past few years, but still doesn't strike me as a guy you can set and forget on. Could either see him coming into Port's lineup and refining his game, or being out of the system in a couple of years.

Even trade for both sides, but it's been sold as a bit of a resounding win for Port. I'm not super convinced.

Agree. Can't believe the love for Allir on here. Lacks discipline both on and off the field although maybe Kenny could change that. I can't see anyway that he gets a game for us unless Jones or Weitering were out. Someone mentioned that he is a better lock down defender than Plowman - Come on - Cameron, Gray and all of the players that Plow plays on would make mince meat of him. If anything he is a better loose defender than accountable. Average in the ruck. Sydney had no great concerns about letting him go (in effect a swap for Tom Hickey

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which tells you where they saw his value).

 

[Jeremias]

Ed Phillips, interesting player

Reasonable quality of players, being delisted

Wait, was he cut?

Very keen if so. Mentioned him a little while back.

 

[HBF]

Would take McCartin over McCarthy and I don’t want to touch either.

I'd take Daw over both of them, and I don't want him either.

 

[Mike D]

That's a bit harsh.

Might well be. Just my opinion

 

[The Great Ian]

Plowman played a great came on Cameron in 2019, is a team player, very strong and low center of gravity. He is slow, can't be relied on for anything other than easy defensive 50 exits (same as Jones).

People say he can play on smalls largely because of that game on Cameron, but there is no chance in hell we want him on him in the 2021 prelim or granny.

Stephenson regularly kills him.

Id play Marchank, Williamson and Newman all infront of plow

That's just my opinion, you can just disagree and write me off as having poor acumen if youre a plow fan.

Plowman is one of our most consistent players.

You can count on him being solid and reliable for 90% of the game but commit 4 or 5 game killing howlers as well.

A first 18 player in a bottom 10 side.


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[HBF]

Ed Phillips, interesting player

Reasonable quality of players, being delisted

Of all the delisted players this year, i'd still be keen on Ahern.
Shown something at North, and gives us that specialist half forward/mid that we are looking for.

 

[Aphrodite]

Wait, was he cut?

Very keen if so. Mentioned him a little while back.

News - Official Carlton/AFL Delistings & Retirements 2020

Gallucci, Poholke & Crocker delisted.

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Team DJ]

Agree that Aliir is a quality player... but our 2nd best key forward minus Charlie? Based on what, his 5 career goals?

Sorry that's hogwash...

Gov, Cas and JSOS would all be better 2nd key forward options than him...

Hence why I gave him a "Righto Ledge" as my reply.
Utter silliness.
He isn't ahead of any of our KPPs as a forward.

 

[murphster]

While I am not overly keen on Daw, it does give us short term security, especially if we are trying to break into finals and give Macreadie another year

Yeah that’s my thinking on it, it’s not a long term solution but we are going to need some back up for next year especially in defence.

 

[murphster]

While I am not overly keen on Daw, it does give us short term security, especially if we are trying to break into finals and give Macreadie another year

It will be interesting to see what the Cats do with Narkle, if they delist him I still think we should be looking to pick him up depending on list sizes, he just has a lot of upside that would really add to our list.

 

[Magruder]

His best is very good, but...when did you last watch a few Sydney games?

Fair enough... no more than 3 or so this year and of course, none live.