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[Manhattanite]

What were the reasons your family members didn’t like about Brad Scott as a head coach?

Also what are the reasons your family members support North?


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[TheCoach16]

Sorry I can't be convinced Gov can in anyway be part of our midfield rotations. High half forward yes.

I don’t need to convince you. I need to convince Ross Lyon!

Problem is, his phone is always busy at the moment.

 

[Accidental genius]

This is a bit of an "it's the vibe" comment but I feel like a lot of Setterfield's tackles are straightforward, multiple ball-up "wrap him up in close" type situations, where the guy picks up the ball directly next to him and is pretty much snaffled before he's had a chance to move. I don't think Setterfield tackles hard or aggressively, or effectively when the ball-carrier has any kind of momentum (Ed Curnow for example is amazing at stopping a guy in his tracks even if they have huge momentum up, he just finds a way to latch on for dear life and make it stick).

But yes, it's inside or bust for Setterfield. That's why I would much rather have Silvagni and Kennedy going through there instead of Setterfield, as they both have the versatility to trouble the opposition in the forward line.

100%. Explained setters tackling to a T.

 

[Garters]

Thought Sayers spoke really well on SEN this morning. Interesting things that went under the radar:

1) Apparently Teague preferred to wait until the end of the season for the review findings and feedback. This goes against the media narrative of us stringing him along for weeks.

2) Deisel will head the approach/search for a new coach. This indicates to me that Lyon is a formality appointment (which I approve of) considering the supposed good relationship between Deisel and Lyon.

The annoying thing with the mainstream media is that all the focus is on the delivery of the decision and the historic instability at the club which is all insignificant. However the important thing that doesn’t get enough coverage is that we reached the correct outcome for the club to drive us forward. No media pundit or journalist could argue otherwise.

Welll put. Thought he spoke very well also

 

[footyfan1978]

I remember one of those pre season videos a year or two ago Setterfield was asked something like ‘what’s the best backhanded compliment you’ve received’ and his response was ‘Andrew Russell said I was finally starting to look like a professional athlete’. Has always stuck with me when looking at his physique and laconic movement.
I think he has all the tools but worried he’ll never realise them.

Is he Frank Marchesani, the second?

 

[DangerousD]

Setterfield is an inside midfielder. Was known for his elite tackling and hands in close as a junior. He could also hit the score board. He looked completely disinterested this year. Lyon on Footy Classified mentioned he should be playing inside during the year. He's not someone we do away with just yet.

I think it will be tricky for us, as it’s not just Setters, it’s SPS, Dow, LOB, Setters, Fish, Cuningham, McGovern, Marchbank, who are on the list and playing so far below, what was expected of them.

We have been linked with Cerra, Hewett and Riccardi, to add these three guys and use the minimum two selections at the ND, we need to delist three more players from the primary list.

Eddie has already retired, meaning we are still one list spot over the max, so two rookies will need to be delisted, before w can even take one extra selection in the rookie draft.

Im all for keeping hold of some of these guys who should be doing better, but I don’t think we can afford to go forward with all of them.

 

[El Topo]

I would back Ross to get the most out of players like Setters. Yes, he did have a horrible year. He has played good footy in the past and hopefully he is far from a spent force.

If anyone can activate our David Mundy clone, it's RTB

 

[zeggie]

I think it will be tricky for us, as it’s not just Setters, it’s SPS, Dow, LOB, Setters, Fish, Cuningham, McGovern, Marchbank, who are on the list and playing so far below, what was expected of them.

We have been linked with Cerra, Hewett and Riccardi, to add these three guys and use the minimum two selections at the ND, we need to delist three more players from the primary list.

Eddie has already retired, meaning we are still one list spot over the max, so two rookies will need to be delisted, before w can even take one extra selection in the rookie draft.

Im all for keeping hold of some of these guys who should be doing better, but I don’t think we can afford to go forward with all of them.

Some tough calls needed this off season. We've not lost any players we've wanted to keep for like 5 years now. We're at the point we need to be delisting or forcing some underperformers out.

 

[Blue__Balls]

This is a bit of an "it's the vibe" comment but I feel like a lot of Setterfield's tackles are straightforward, multiple ball-up "wrap him up in close" type situations, where the guy picks up the ball directly next to him and is pretty much snaffled before he's had a chance to move. I don't think Setterfield tackles hard or aggressively, or effectively when the ball-carrier has any kind of momentum (Ed Curnow for example is amazing at stopping a guy in his tracks even if they have huge momentum up, he just finds a way to latch on for dear life and make it stick).

But yes, it's inside or bust for Setterfield. That's why I would much rather have Silvagni and Kennedy going through there instead of Setterfield, as they both have the versatility to trouble the opposition in the forward line.

It's the Gibbs-effect.

Bryce had great tackle numbers, but 90% of them were just a result of him trailing his man to the ball at stoppages, and then getting a repeat stoppage. Can be beneficial at times, but as a general rule it'd be nicer if our guy was just winning the ball.

 

[Percy2257]

Very good question.
I got so excited to see the back of them and I was flat as a tack the next day when found out what was indicated that night, not the reality the next day.
Not fully recovered yet from the massive let down.
Hopefully in a couple of months Sayers does more...if he survives an EGM..

I suspect that when Lyon is appointed Lloyd will accept the position Collingwood have offered him.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

What’s a realistical timeline for hiring the new head coach...within a month?

Hopefully before the Grand Final. Your guess is as good as mine though, wouldn't be surprised if it's done as soon on Monday (although I have am awful record of predicting fans so probably not

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Setterfield is an inside midfielder. Was known for his elite tackling and hands in close as a junior. He could also hit the score board. He looked completely disinterested this year. Lyon on Footy Classified mentioned he should be playing inside during the year. He's not someone we do away with just yet.

There are a few people I'm very interested to see under a different coaching regime.

 

[thylacine60]

Two years to goon his current deal.

don't even want to imagine what that will look like........

 

[Arr0w]

Then delisting immediately become a lot harder And then there’s trades. I just read Setterfields draft bio and I can’t believe the position he is in, going off, what is written about him.

In saying that, we still need to free up list spots, two off the main list and one rookie have retired, still another 3-5 will need to go.

Plenty of time for the new coach to look at all the players on the list and determine if they are needed before trade week/ delistings.

And any coach that was serious about the role would have already created a profile. All that is needed is internal information regarding, strength, weaknesses and how they handle instructions

 

[Broadside]

I still hold out hope McGovern can be a gun. Natural talent seems to be off the charts but does he have the willpower or resilient body to get fit and stay fit?

If we need collateral to give Freo for Cerra, would rather look at others to trade.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Let's say Lyon becomes the coach, I think it is difficult to categorically put a line through some players, as many would have new roles within the team

I would put a line through some of the try hard mid/small forward types: fisher, gibbons, fogarty. They are all cut of the same cloth. Only keep 1 of those 3, probably fogarty

 

[therubbernub]

Id go further, if he comes back to pre-season training out of shape id sack him (assuming you can do that). These guys are either serious about footy or not, if not then get out and dont be a bad example to the wider group.

A little unfair IMO. Sure in his first year esp he was guilty as charged.
But since emerging from Russell's cage he has looked a lot fitter. But his injuries have made it seem like he is worse than he is.

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[Elmer_Hauser]

I think it will be tricky for us, as it’s not just Setters, it’s SPS, Dow, LOB, Setters, Fish, Cuningham, McGovern, Marchbank, who are on the list and playing so far below, what was expected of them.

We have been linked with Cerra, Hewett and Riccardi, to add these three guys and use the minimum two selections at the ND, we need to delist three more players from the primary list.

Eddie has already retired, meaning we are still one list spot over the max, so two rookies will need to be delisted, before w can even take one extra selection in the rookie draft.

Im all for keeping hold of some of these guys who should be doing better, but I don’t think we can afford to go forward with all of them.

A couple of those boys you mentioned remain unsigned.

Makes you wonder if their future at the club is dependent on the new coach whoever he is, and whether they fit into his plans.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Plenty of time for the new coach to look at all the players on the list and determine if they are needed before trade week/ delistings.

And any coach that was serious about the role would have already created a profile. All that is needed is internal information regarding, strength, weaknesses and how they handle instructions

And if it's Ross, I wouldn't be surprised if he's been taking notes on us most of the year.

 

[therubbernub]

The reality is our game is won in the midfield, good aerobic capacity, ball retention, accurate distribution to team advantage by hand and foot is what it’s all about.
The best teams have magnificent midfielders.
Notice tigers unravel when the Cotchin & Martin infrastructure is missing?
It will be blatantly noticeable in the finals.

True. I bet their whole midfield will hardly get a kick between them

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[Michael Jezz]

Very good question.
I got so excited to see the back of them and I was flat as a tack the next day when found out what was indicated that night, not the reality the next day.
Not fully recovered yet from the massive let down.
Hopefully in a couple of months Sayers does more...if he survives an EGM..

You were flat...I was in the foetal position

 

[Gethelred]

What a bizarre statement...
So you would be happy to pay him $700k as a 3rd tall VFL forward waiting for, an injury to McKay, Curnow, Silvagni or TDK, to get a game...

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Forwards get paid more. This is a truism in this sport. If you want to dispute it, you're welcome to make your case, but until you do you're going to have to go with me on this. Forwards are seen as more valuable than defenders, and a B+ forward is seen as more valuable than a B+ defender or (arguably) a midfielder.

As a forward, if McGovern gets to being a B to B+ forward (30-35+ goals a season to go with 4.5 tackles, 1+ contested mark, and 3+ score involvements a game) then he's worth 700 thousand dollars a year; he would be sitting at the higher paid point of his range, but as stated forwards get paid more for their services. The problem is that he's earning 700 thousand without contributing that level of performance, and has not ever provided it.

It should go without saying that this is predicated on him playing ones, because it's exceedingly difficult to get 30 goals, 4.5 tackles, 1+ contested mark and 3+ score involvements in a season at AFL level if he's not playing at AFL level, but for some reason you've chosen to interpret my post in a way which suggests that you think I think he should get paid 700 thousand dollars a year to sit in the reserves.

I do not know why you've decided to interpret my post that way, other than - say - out of a desire to depict my argument as absurd.

Has a lot of key attributes to be an elite defender (speed, leap, mark & foot skills) a position of need... Could very well be our version of Jeremy Howe...

That's lovely. Still paying 700 thousand dollars a year for the next two for a second KPD, who has played more than half the games available in each calendar year of his career twice in five seasons.

I don't have any issue with him becoming a defender, if that's what we're going to try. My issue is that I do not think it's the best use of 700 thousand dollars a season; you can do an awful lot with that money, and even halving it for him to go elsewhere allows you to pick someone up who will perform at the same level as a defender for a much reduced salary cap outlay.

Turning him into Cerra and rookieing a KPD with good closing speed and strong hands who can stay on the park is potentially a better use, both for the list position and the expenditure.

 

[zeggie]

What’s a realistical timeline for hiring the new head coach...within a month?

4-6 weeks I predict

I suspect that when Lyon is appointed Lloyd will accept the position Collingwood have offered him.

Bloody hope so!

 

[Magical_EddieBetts]

Just watched this, and even tho I feel dirty watching the pies I was impressed with Bucks and how he goes about it, out coached the dees too. Really hope he goes through the coaching process with us

 

[FRUMPY]

Also what are the reasons your family members support North?


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funny they ask that about me and carlton.......the two north premiership photos compared to the one i have since being interested in footy doesnt give me much to answer them with (i started going to the footy around 1990 onwards)