Bluemour Season Blast Off Edition XXXIII

[spry]

#notenoughlove

I think the reason he polls so well in the bnf is the coaches are sittin in the box sweating thinking: “gee he’s saving our arses here” “everyone thinks he sucks but that wasn’t even his man… who’s man was that?” “Let’s make sure we get the ball forward so we don’t have to defend ok!?” “Get Ed on the phone and tell him to kick it long”

 

[Manhattanite]

Name me a club that has 5 very good midfielder bar the two grand finalists. All the others have 2 or 3 really good mods and the rest are B- footballers

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In addition to Melbourne and Western Bulldogs the following clubs have at least 5 very good mids:
Geelong
Brisbane
Sydney
Giants
West Coast
Fremantle
Hawthorn
Collingwood

Arguably also Richmond and Essendon and St Kilda.

I would say we have the worst or second worst midfield currently but with the addition of Cerra and Hewett we could move to about 10-12th. But we will still be behind about ten clubs - unless we see more from Cripps and Dow in 2022.



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[smashbox gill]

Agree.

Feel he took some big steps this year.

Was finding the ball and winning clearances alot more. Was also using the ball wayyyyy better than previous years.

If Voss can get the defensive side of his game going, and he gets some more midfield minutes, he can have a break out year.

If we can have Walsh average 30 touches, and Cripps Cerra and Dow average 25 ish each. Big year coming up.

I feel Dow is all fitness now. He showed a lot toward end of the year but it was always in the 1st quarter then he went missing. Needs to get as fit as possible this off season

 

[La Dispute]

That's the thing; it's not getting the ball, it's disposing to advantage that's the problem with him. He is worse than Dow is, and Dow has shown marked improvement this year in this area where he's never moved past being a bit turnover prone.

If you're on the edge of delisting Dow, Dunstan's not going to fill you with joy either.

I really wanted Dunstan at the end of 2018, and would have been happy to trade a reasonably high price at that time, but I think the ship has now sailed.

Going to be great value for whichever club picks him up, he's clearly AFL standard, he's just no longer the right fit

 

[azlou]

There's a huge discrepancy on cost...

Lewis Young is a t-shirt on sale for $5. Cerra is a hand-made suit at full RRP.

The suit is much fancier, but lots of people get more satisfaction from finding the t-shirt on sale...

T shirt is an abbreviation for tyrannosaurus shirt hence the short arms

 

[Bryce Bubbles]

Ever seen Kennedy try to shrug off defenders, pirouette and do the impossible but get caught holding the ball 9 times out of 10?

Shit post

 

[BrownDog20]

Kennedy is a much better forward than either.

Unfortunately none of them are very well rounded footballers.

Having three defensive liabilities in the midfield was one reason we kept getting runs of goals kicked against us. Made even worse when Pitto was playing.

He is definitely a better forward than them but they are better mids.

 

[Sammo63]

1. Walsh
2. Cripps
3. Cerra
?
5. Hewett
6. Kennedy/Martin/Setterfield

If one of Dow or Williams can cement themselves as the 4th genuine midfielder (20+ disposals a game), our midfield goes from worst in the league to mid-table, which is enough given our defence and forward threats.

Stocker

 

[DangerousD]

Can we ban Scott Lucas or any ex * scum from managing our players! Already sounds like he's wheeling and dealing to ream a big deal from us for Walsh or wouldn't put it past him into getting Walsh to *.

That’s his job.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

If we were looking at Dunstan, then I anticipate we are considering trading Dow to the tigers. We'd probably be interested for their pick 15 if it was available.

Hewett and Dunstan in as Free Agents
Cerra for Pick 6
Pick 15 for Dow (Richmond)
Pick 49 for SPS (West Coast)
L. Young for pick 49 (effectively what they paid for him)

Midfield changes:
Out: Murphy, Dow, Curnow, SPS (acknowledging some werent pure mids)
In: Stocker, Cerra, Hewett, Dunstan

Williams plays half back and rotates with Stocker

More than happy to trade Dow for the 15. Not so happy to bring in Dunstan.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Seriously?
That is a very thin midfield.

Kennedy has never played consistently good footy and does not look like making it as a quality mid.
Dow has improved but has a long way to go.

Disagree.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Genuine question: are there any good AFL midfielders who showed as little as Dow/O'Brien in their first 4 years? I

How many players, not just good ones, have had 2 coaches and gone 2 wins and 35 odd games or whatever it is. Nothing about the last 4 years for us is particularly comparable to anywhere else.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I thought Kennedy was comfortably our 2nd best mid once he got a run of games in the seniors. Strong on the ball, great tackler, and a very good mark. I think he showed plenty of reasons he could be a part of our midfield.

100%. Easily in our midfield rotation.

 

[zeggie]

More than happy to trade Dow for the 15. Not so happy to bring in Dunstan.

Pick 15 would be amazing. Just can't see it happening.

 

[Faz 2000]

I definitely thought Kennedy ran out the year really well. If he starts that way in 2022 and can maintain it, he can 100% play a key role in a good AFL midfield.

To me he's definitely now shown that he CAN do it. Whether he WILL consistently is the question. His best is good enough, for sure.

 

[slashin_velvet]

Pick 15 would be amazing. Just can't see it happening.

They were willing to expend pick 21 for his brother Thompson Dow, so for a former pick 3 who hasnt broken out, but hasnt shown signs of being a bust, should be able to get something like pick 15.

 

[Aphrodite]

Either that,
or It would be good if rumour files were discussed along with the usual bluemour schtick and fun arising from boredom, waiting etc
And...
The serious niggly real trade talk which many posters love, take place mainly on the plains of the trade thread prairie.

I don't think I'm alone with these thoughts and most are pretty good with it too. Debates on Cerra's worth as a footballer for example...once we know he has nominated us, some like to kick around what we'd give up for him...for hours, days....maybe months....who knows! Big discussions!!!!
That is a drink one thinks can be had at a certain bar called the Strange Exotic Tradewinds bar, found in a thread far far away....intoxicating to some, deadly to others who find themselves suddenly paralysed with boredom followed by narcolepsy.
It's dangerous my mod friend.
Do Not Read and Drive!!!!!

Did you miss this thread by any chance

News - Adam Cerra nominates Carlton

Let the games begin ... https://www.afl.com.au/news/682599/star-docker-cerra-finally-nominates-club-of-choice FREMANTLE midfielder Adam Cerra has nominated Carlton as his home of choice for 2022. Cerra, 21, informed the Dockers and Blues of his decision on Wednesday to move to IKON Park...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[mrkyuss]

On a different note, I spoke with a friend who works at a footy club (not ours). He absolutely ripped some of our off-season off-field moves as being '20 years behind the times'.

In particular: Greg Williams, who is very old school, tough love, and doesn't really have much sense of the new fandangled tactics or technical stuff (he also has a chronic brain disorder, not that should preclude people from working but hardly what you want). Voss as a coach is perceived as being a good bloke and motivator, but not so good with the tactical stuff or the development of players. Hamill - similar story there too - a 'motivator' rather than a teacher or

Basically, we're seen to be putting together a great 1990s coaching panel: good blokes, jobs for the boys, guys who keep it simple and call it as they see it etc, but a panel that is miles off in terms of tactical strength, use of data/analytics, and the modern side of things.

I'm not saying I agree necessarily with those sentiments at all - that's just what was conveyed to me. My take is we're hoping to address the cultural side of things first, and that to be honest, that might matter more given where we have been. Will we be better off with a 'roll the ball out and let them play' coaching staff who maybe don't develop the players or game plan? A club philosophy that is just 90s motivation?

With Voss, that actually worked ok with the veteran team he took over. They'd looked to be fading but he coaxed some life out of aging guys and initially had a decent run. But after 5 years, with the young guys notn nreally coming through and the old stars gone, it fell away a bit. For us: I reckon there's some hope there. We aren't a young team any more, and so much of our short-term success is going to be wrapped up in whether the new coach can get the best out of our mid-age players (24-30): Cripps, Weitering, Curnow, McKay, Docherty, Williams, Saad, Jones, Martin, McGovern, Hewitt (presumably), Pittonet, Newnes, Newman, Silvagni, etc. Throw in Walsh / Cerra as young guys who play with maturity and we really have a mature core that should be playing for premierships - we have very few untested/unproven young guys (and those who aren't on the list below have shown.... very little).

So I'm not doom and gloom about that assessment, nor do I speak about someone who is hugely influential, just an insider take.

Exactly what I have been saying. If people don’t see what we have done so far as nothing more than another set back - till we realise and change it up again, they don’t get it.

 

[El Topo]

How many players, not just good ones, have had 2 coaches and gone 2 wins and 35 odd games or whatever it is. Nothing about the last 4 years for us is particularly comparable to anywhere else.

Not many survivors from Melbourne 2013

 

[Weiterbot23]

Cripps slimming down to improve his outside play, then bulking back up.
SPS spending a lot of time down back "learning to defend".
LOB spending time in the reserves working on his contested game.
Williams playing as a full time mid until it became painfully clear he needed to go back.
Setterfield to the wing

My god, this bought up a load of trauma

 

[AceAndy]

Did you miss this thread by any chance

News - Adam Cerra nominates Carlton

Let the games begin ... https://www.afl.com.au/news/682599/star-docker-cerra-finally-nominates-club-of-choice FREMANTLE midfielder Adam Cerra has nominated Carlton as his home of choice for 2022. Cerra, 21, informed the Dockers and Blues of his decision on Wednesday to move to IKON Park...

www.bigfooty.com

News travels slowly in horse land.

 

[Blue__Balls]

On a different note, I spoke with a friend who works at a footy club (not ours). He absolutely ripped some of our off-season off-field moves as being '20 years behind the times'.

In particular: Greg Williams, who is very old school, tough love, and doesn't really have much sense of the new fandangled tactics or technical stuff (he also has a chronic brain disorder, not that should preclude people from working but hardly what you want). Voss as a coach is perceived as being a good bloke and motivator, but not so good with the tactical stuff or the development of players. Hamill - similar story there too - a 'motivator' rather than a teacher or

Basically, we're seen to be putting together a great 1990s coaching panel: good blokes, jobs for the boys, guys who keep it simple and call it as they see it etc, but a panel that is miles off in terms of tactical strength, use of data/analytics, and the modern side of things.

I'm not saying I agree necessarily with those sentiments at all - that's just what was conveyed to me. My take is we're hoping to address the cultural side of things first, and that to be honest, that might matter more given where we have been. Will we be better off with a 'roll the ball out and let them play' coaching staff who maybe don't develop the players or game plan? A club philosophy that is just 90s motivation?

With Voss, that actually worked ok with the veteran team he took over. They'd looked to be fading but he coaxed some life out of aging guys and initially had a decent run. But after 5 years, with the young guys notn nreally coming through and the old stars gone, it fell away a bit. For us: I reckon there's some hope there. We aren't a young team any more, and so much of our short-term success is going to be wrapped up in whether the new coach can get the best out of our mid-age players (24-30): Cripps, Weitering, Curnow, McKay, Docherty, Williams, Saad, Jones, Martin, McGovern, Hewitt (presumably), Pittonet, Newnes, Newman, Silvagni, etc. Throw in Walsh / Cerra as young guys who play with maturity and we really have a mature core that should be playing for premierships - we have very few untested/unproven young guys (and those who aren't on the list below have shown.... very little).

So I'm not doom and gloom about that assessment, nor do I speak about someone who is hugely influential, just an insider take.

We've hired two people from a coaching panel that needed 6....might be a tad early to claim we're assembling an outdated team. In fact...wasn't one of the people appointed to the board the head of a major data analytics company?

 

[HaydossJ]

In addition to Melbourne and Western Bulldogs the following clubs have at least 5 very good mids:
Geelong
Brisbane
Sydney
Giants
West Coast
Fremantle
Hawthorn
Collingwood

Arguably also Richmond and Essendon and St Kilda.

I would say we have the worst or second worst midfield currently but with the addition of Cerra and Hewett we could move to about 10-12th. But we will still be behind about ten clubs - unless we see more from Cripps and Dow in 2022.



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* definitely - Merrett, Parish, Shiel, McGrath, Stringer + Langford and Caldwell.

North Melbourne arguably too - Cunnington, Simpkin, Anderson, Tarryn Thomas, LDU + Stephenson.

Our midfield before Cerra and Hewett is the worst by far. Scarily, even Adelaide’s and Gold Coast’s runs deeper than ours.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Pick 15 would be amazing. Just can't see it happening.

Id agree, more than happy with a second rounder. Just basing my comment off the OP's pick 15 in his post.

 

[BlueView]

If Kennedy is going to get time in the middle he needs to eradicate those 11 possession stinker games from his repertoire like the one against North Melbourne.

Was reasonable apart from that credit where credits due, hence the one year extension.