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TDK and his family seem like down to earth types...more about loyalty and relationships above chasing money. And they are from VIC so no go home factor.
Not worried about losing TDK at all. Paying younger players big contracts based on potential is fraught with danger for both club and player.
Look at the heat Jackson is already copping in WA from Freo fans in the media...the guy was huge for Melbourne in a premiership at such a young age and now is being blasted for underperforming after 2 games.
Expectations rise sharply with the big contract and I wonder how many players regret signing big contracts for their happiness and mental health. Understand making the most of a shirt career, but it's not like $400k is chump change and TDK can get his big contract in a few years.
Not worried about losing TDK at all. Paying younger players big contracts based on potential is fraught with danger for both club and player.
Look at the heat Jackson is already copping in WA from Freo fans in the media...the guy was huge for Melbourne in a premiership at such a young age and now is being blasted for underperforming after 2 games.
Expectations rise sharply with the big contract and I wonder how many players regret signing big contracts for their happiness and mental health. Understand making the most of a shirt career, but it's not like $400k is chump change and TDK can get his big contract in a few years.
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This might already be shared in here. Someone I know from an accounting firm, had a staff member move to Carlton to help Austin with player contracts etc. My friend said that everything was a complete mess payment wise and there was no structure or future planning put in place. Mentioned the new TDK deal is being delayed as they work out what to do next with the Martin/Mcgovern contracts, the clubs is keen to keep TDK and he is keen to stay. On SOS, he said the more you learn about him and his actions, the less you like. Said the clubs pretty happy he's out etc.
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I know someone who had a bit to do with him well before his return to Carlton who said something similar.
Edit about his personal relationships not the footy and money stuff
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I don't have rose coloured glasses on regarding SOS, and I believe that Austin and co have been really great at talent ID since taking over - as much as I loved him as a player and was rapt he joined to steady the list management ship, I wouldn't have him back now given what I've seen since he left.
However, I find it implausible that someone who so well understands the intrinsic value of draft picks and future picks trading, and who publicly stated that our player payments were a mess when he took over, would then be so completely inept at future list (cost) planning.
I can accept that he possibly overrated (and therefore probably overpaid) "his" players (i.e. a talent ID issue which is becoming apparent as time goes on), but can't see how he would let the player payments become a complete shambles, as this post states.
Would love the mods to validate the source here. Especially given Martin joined on a heavily front ended contract...
Just relaying what I heard. Not sure my friend from a Balwyn accounting firm is going to participate in a internet forum moderator asking to confirm or deny this story haha.
Also it's not like he would be wanting his former colleague to get in trouble, believe what you like mate
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So let me get this right. SoS initially came in and was all the rage because he fixed our out of control salary cap, got us on a proper scale and had dollars to spend when required, as required and set us up. Now our Austin needed an external accountant to assist him to correct everything that was a mess because of SoS. FMD the bullsh1t that gets posted here sometimes is amazing.
Believe what you like mate. Why would I make that rumour up, it's not overly interesting. And the media has been banging on about our cap pressure for a while. Which I didn't really think to much about until my friend mentioned this today
It's a rumour thread why get so fired up
The contracts players were on prior to SOS were a shambles.
We had to move modest players off big money and long years over a period of time.
SOS improved the list management significantly but in order to attract quality had to offer big!
Not all of that worked out as he/we had hoped but he did a great job with the mess he inherited.
Thankfully the list improvements are increasing and the current management are going from strength to strength.
One thing for certain is prior to SOS our list management was the bottom of the pile!
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We had to move modest players off big money and long years over a period of time.
SOS improved the list management significantly but in order to attract quality had to offer big!
Not all of that worked out as he/we had hoped but he did a great job with the mess he inherited.
Thankfully the list improvements are increasing and the current management are going from strength to strength.
One thing for certain is prior to SOS our list management was the bottom of the pile!
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Brian cook last year said we have enough space to hopefully sign Harry and TDK while also assessing the free agency market. Chances of the cap being stuffed with a CEO coming out saying that is next to nil.
On top of that nearly half our list is out of contract this year. Unless we somehow owe Cripps 5 mil next year I can't see any way we'd be in trouble. Dow, Mcgovern, JSOS, Plow, TDK, Martin... all could very easily be moved on end of year if we were in a 'mess'
Only contract we have tied up long term that could cause any sort of issue is Williams. And while I don't want to get into it another arguing match about it, if we realllly had to, we could probably move him to the Hawks etc similar to Grundy last year for a severely discounted price or even sending them a pick.
Nothing to worry about imo.
On top of that nearly half our list is out of contract this year. Unless we somehow owe Cripps 5 mil next year I can't see any way we'd be in trouble. Dow, Mcgovern, JSOS, Plow, TDK, Martin... all could very easily be moved on end of year if we were in a 'mess'
Only contract we have tied up long term that could cause any sort of issue is Williams. And while I don't want to get into it another arguing match about it, if we realllly had to, we could probably move him to the Hawks etc similar to Grundy last year for a severely discounted price or even sending them a pick.
Nothing to worry about imo.
Maybe it is possible that Austin has made a mess of things and not SOS.
Just a thought.
Anything is possible, I was just relaying a story which I thought was interesting. I'm a nobody on any internet forum, understand why people will dismiss it.
A situation where I have no reason to doubt this bloke, so I believe it. For everyone else on here, I get why you would be sceptical. There's nothing I can say or do to change that, so believe what you like, I can't prove anything to you
Supposedly, when SOS arrived, he was shocked that we were paying 100% of the cap, and that older players were being paid overs
SOS, started lowballing older players, with a view to bring in extra picks if they looked elsewhere
Austin came in and was shocked that many of our young players were being paid overs
I guess, every list manager has a different strategy
SOS, started lowballing older players, with a view to bring in extra picks if they looked elsewhere
Austin came in and was shocked that many of our young players were being paid overs
I guess, every list manager has a different strategy
Under Cook's watch? Unlikely you would imagine.
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Both can be right. We've definitely heard both sides of this.
As Arr0w explained, sounds like he's backing himself in to earn a bigger contract in the short term without intending to leave the club.
Best intentions aside, when you're offered 800k+ per year over 6 years I don't see how a smaller contract for two years even begins to compete with that. Too many things can go wrong over those two years and you end up costing yourself millions.
There comes a point where loyalty to self and family surely trumps that of club.
This is exactly what has happened.
Remember, regardless of the amount of talent on your list until only a few years ago you couldn't bank salary cap AND you still had to pay within X of the salary cap.
It was the most anti-equalisation measure in the AFL (it's not far from it now though improved). I will absolutely die on this hill.
It helps clubs in a premiership window lure talent chasing success at the cost of some salary while it meant that the weaker clubs who were less successful often had to massively overpay to lure talent on a hopeful rebuild but more importantly it meant that clubs often overpaid their B and C grade "locker room presences" to exorbitantly large contracts because that money had to go somewhere to meet AFL salary rules.
Even with Judd we never made the climb to true premiership contender. Some of the mediocre players who were on the backend of our best 22 (who wouldn't get near a game at a Geelong or Hawthorn) got overpaid (this forum has previously identified them, I won't do so again) and our cap was literally screwed when SOS arrived as a result.
I can see what BlueTang posted being right. Austin would have a very different take on our salary list structure than does SOS. That's in talent identification. SOS rated players differently to Austin. I can therefore see Austin arriving, looking through our books and coming to a similar conclusion to SOS when he arrived - that SOS was paying the big bikkies to the wrong players.
The reality is it is going to be rare when a list manager inherits a list right at the end of its salary cycle and if your list management was in great shape and producing results it's rare you'd be looking for a replacement.
The same person still knows our current club runner. But he doesn't really share much info to him. The last info that he had shared to my friend, was thst the club was very fractioned when Teague left - which everyone knows.
I'll take him out for lunch after Easter and see if he has heard much more from him. Today was just a phone call that was mostly work related so I just got that brief detail about cap situation.
When role changes happen, it's not uncommon for the new person to pot the existing person in said role. & say how they are going to improve it... So I don't buy into a lot of that stuff
I'll take him out for lunch after Easter and see if he has heard much more from him. Today was just a phone call that was mostly work related so I just got that brief detail about cap situation.
When role changes happen, it's not uncommon for the new person to pot the existing person in said role. & say how they are going to improve it... So I don't buy into a lot of that stuff
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The ‘media banging on about our salary cap’ 
WTF would they know they are not privy to player contracts & our overall cap!
WTF would they know they are not privy to player contracts & our overall cap!
Lol but how do they get most info, they talk to people, buy them wines/coffees etc.The ‘media banging on about our salary cap’
WTF would they know they are not privy to player contracts & our overall cap!
It's not that hard to get people to talk. How many media/ journo leaks actually come out to be true,,, well a lot actually
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Homestly you're overthinking it here a little.
For some of them it's as simple as seeing that we've re-signed big names to long term contracts so we must surely be near the cap... Then we re-sign another.
We've been hearing it since they spectacularly got the details of Cripps's contract extension so wrong.
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