Bluemour 'Silly Season' Edition XXXIV

[V_23]

A very quiet off season!? That's worse than missing finals!

 

[RPCB]

Eagles don't have the cap unless they purge players

So West Coast should choose violence?

 

[La Dispute]

Eagles don't have the cap unless they purge players

The Eagles are also in for a long rebuild.

Can’t see Jackson having any interest in the slightest.

 

[thylacine60]

Tigs get one of Coniglio, Hopper, Green, Taranto - one of their inside mids - and there's no guarantees we're winning next year...

Now, excuse me while I report myself and give myself a red card.

continually in thrall of opposition teams - what have we become? we're good enough, we beat them all, anywhere, anytime............

 

[ferrisb]

Tigs get one of Coniglio, Hopper, Green, Taranto - one of their inside mids - and there's no guarantees we're winning next year...

Now, excuse me while I report myself and give myself a red card.

I feel the Tigers are about to fall off a massive cliff (or at least I hope so).

They have a huge group of great vets who are nearing the end. They are basically Hawthorn from about 3-4 years ago.

The questions are 1) How much are the vets already having less of an impact? 2) what can the Tigers do with their list to reload once the vets go.

I am really hoping the answers are 'not much' to both...

 

[Sector 7G]

A very quiet off season!? That's worse than playing finals!

Hopefully the offseason is 5 weeks shorter than normal

 

[chunkylover53]

I've been keen on Setters from his junior year, was unbelievable and so smooth.

If his confidence keeps growing, he will definitely be a very good AFL player, just need to find his right spot.

He is just so smooth...

That's the thing with these freakish juniors. They can get by on pure talent without understanding hard work.

The penny doesn't drop until they're a bees dick away from losing their career.

It's why the delist and re-rookie tactic is elite. Kennedy, O'Brien & now Setters?

 

[Gethelred]

I feel the Tigers are about to fall off a massive cliff (or at least I hope so).

They have a huge group of great vets who are nearing the end. They are basically Hawthorn from about 3-4 years ago.

The questions are 1) How much have the vets already having less of an impact? 2) what can the Tigers do with their list to reload once the vets go.

I am really hoping the answers are 'not much' to both...

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it for you to be right. But they've got a decent enough second tier, can sell themselves as a premiership club, and have the right pieces remaining - Bolton, Lynch, Balta, Soldo, Baker, Gibcus, Rioli jnr, even Stack's 22 - to build from within some.

I'm hoping that Hardwick genuinely didn't know much of why they broke through in 2017, and keeps trying things that don't work in a desperate attempt at rekindling the fire.

 

[Schoonerman]

Last weekend we had O'Brien, Cottrell and Setterfield rotating across the two wings. What is the difference between O'Brien, Cottrell and Sholl?

Setterfield provides more inside if needed

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Setterfield provides more inside if needed

Yes but that's a by product of the pure wing position and not something we need

 

[Forty3]

Any word on rucks?

I'd like to see us grab Goldie as UFA for next year and possibly 24

And then go for a marginalised Darcy as RFA at end 2024

I think TDK is a utility-ruck, rather than first ruck. Don't think Pittonet cuts the mustard for premiership-level ruckman, need an improvement in the first ruck position

Sorry missed this one.
Don’t believe a ruck is on our list of wants or needs.
Pittonet is a very good ruckman, TDK has put together an amazing season as a stand alone ruck considering his age. Mirkov was always going to be a project player and is progressing very well, club believes he will be at the level to play afl next year if required.
Lewis Young is another on the list that, with a fit backline, has shown he has an ability to play ruck in afl finals.
Jack is alway as option for a chop out.
Going into 2023 with 4 players that could play 1st ruck of genuinely required to, plus Jack to play back up if injuries go south again.
That is more than enough list spots and money to spend on the ruck position.
Outside run, draft talent KPD and potential mature big defender (cheap) seems to be the plan.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

It's why the delist and re-rookie tactic is elite. Kennedy, O'Brien & now Setters?

Cottrell

 

[Faz 2000]

Sorry missed this one.
Don’t believe a ruck is on our list of wants or needs.
Pittonet is a very good ruckman, TDK has put together an amazing season as a stand alone ruck considering his age. Mirkov was always going to be a project player and is progressing very well, club believes he will be at the level to play afl next year if required.
Lewis Young is another on the list that, with a fit backline, has shown he has an ability to play ruck in afl finals.
Jack is alway as option for a chop out.
Going into 2023 with 4 players that could play 1st ruck of genuinely required to, plus Jack to play back up if injuries go south again.
That is more than enough list spots and money to spend on the ruck position.
Outside run, draft talent KPD and potential mature big defender (cheap) seems to be the plan.

Agree with this, no need at all to spend assets on another ruck at this time. Should always have a project ruck type in the VFL to see if you can strike gold - that's Mirkov at the moment.

I also think we need more physicality and nastiness. Could do with a mid-size forward. A guy like Zurhaar would be amazing, I reckon, but he's priced himself well out of reach with recent form I'd think.

 

[Own The Future]

Sorry missed this one.
Don’t believe a ruck is on our list of wants or needs.
Pittonet is a very good ruckman, TDK has put together an amazing season as a stand alone ruck considering his age. Mirkov was always going to be a project player and is progressing very well, club believes he will be at the level to play afl next year if required.
Lewis Young is another on the list that, with a fit backline, has shown he has an ability to play ruck in afl finals.
Jack is alway as option for a chop out.
Going into 2023 with 4 players that could play 1st ruck of genuinely required to, plus Jack to play back up if injuries go south again.
That is more than enough list spots and money to spend on the ruck position.
Outside run, draft talent KPD and potential mature big defender (cheap) seems to be the plan.

Thanks as always for the insight Forty3.
That approach to the offseason - coupled with securing our own guys - sounds absolutely perfect to me.

 

[skadoosh]

Surely the Doggies owe us for turning Jones into a defender

 

[Accidental genius]

Surely the Doggies owe us for turning Jones into a defender

They already did...gave us a younger replacement in....Young

 

[macky99]

Sorry missed this one.
Don’t believe a ruck is on our list of wants or needs.
Pittonet is a very good ruckman, TDK has put together an amazing season as a stand alone ruck considering his age. Mirkov was always going to be a project player and is progressing very well, club believes he will be at the level to play afl next year if required.
Lewis Young is another on the list that, with a fit backline, has shown he has an ability to play ruck in afl finals.
Jack is alway as option for a chop out.
Going into 2023 with 4 players that could play 1st ruck of genuinely required to, plus Jack to play back up if injuries go south again.
That is more than enough list spots and money to spend on the ruck position.
Outside run, draft talent KPD and potential mature big defender (cheap) seems to be the plan.

Agree totally on the direction of the ruck strategy, TDK has done a amazing job this year and has made great progress, despite some negativity on here, very few at his age have the capacity to carry that area for the bulk of the season, other needs as you have listed seem more logical .
All makes good sense, which you would expect with quality of people we now have in the key areas at the club.

 

[F_therest]

Sorry missed this one.
Don’t believe a ruck is on our list of wants or needs.
Pittonet is a very good ruckman, TDK has put together an amazing season as a stand alone ruck considering his age. Mirkov was always going to be a project player and is progressing very well, club believes he will be at the level to play afl next year if required.
Lewis Young is another on the list that, with a fit backline, has shown he has an ability to play ruck in afl finals.
Jack is alway as option for a chop out.
Going into 2023 with 4 players that could play 1st ruck of genuinely required to, plus Jack to play back up if injuries go south again.
That is more than enough list spots and money to spend on the ruck position.
Outside run, draft talent KPD and potential mature big defender (cheap) seems to be the plan.

No key forward back up or draft planned forty?

When Pitto, McDonald and Mckay were injured we had to go with a small forward line and use Cripps in the ruck...which is when his brownlow form disappeared.

If all our players are fit we have enough depth, but McDonald, Gov and Marchbank are all injury prone.

 

[F_therest]

A very quiet off season!? That's worse than playing finals!

Gonna miss winning trade week and drafts

 

[Blue__Balls]

Surely the Doggies owe us for turning Jones into a defender

Straight swap for Caleb Daniel.

 

[F_therest]

Traditionally when a top 10 pick in a draft plays 3 AFL games, there managers begin talking about their next contract. It almost always ends up being an inflated contract based on their draft position.

Luring a player to another club usually result in an inflated contract as well.

So players Like Dow and Setterfield have been paid more than their outputs in our first team his resulted in up unto this point.
The next part is where the ramifications happen, players very very very rarely ever agree to a contract less than what they were on, until they reach a senior age, or aren't playing first team football at all (but they usually wish to leave at this point).

Idea's that we might of had for Will are going to be changing weekly now depending on his output. He had a fantastic 2020 season, but has been a bit lost in the wilderness for 18 months after that. His last 6 weeks of football and his overall attitude has completely shifted. Penny seems to have really dropped.

This is not always a bad thing, because I feel people are far to quick to right off player. We lucked out with Kennedy, he was so close to been given up on, if not for injuries to others and a rookie lifeline he could be Will Brodie'ing at another club right now.

I'd assume Dow and Setters are on around $400k a year as their second contracts based on potential...as you say, not value for money for the club.

Were we thinking of moving both and freeing up space? If Setters now stays I assume Dow is definitely gone to free up cash and get a draft pick.

 

[thylacine60]

Surely the Doggies owe us for turning Jones into a gun defender

 

[Gethelred]

They already did...gave us a younger replacement in....Young

Don't tell them that, ffs!

 

[V_23]

We might be going a tad early on Setterfield's rebirth. I hope the penny has dropped for him, but let's not get carried away just yet.

 

[Curnowhan]

That's the thing with these freakish juniors. They can get by on pure talent without understanding hard work.

The penny doesn't drop until they're a bees dick away from losing their career.

It's why the delist and re-rookie tactic is elite. Kennedy, O'Brien & now Setters?

The downside of the delist and re-rookie tactic is that we become vulnerable down the track if they do come good and then want to leave later on.

On another note, shouldn't this be Edition XXXIV of this thread? Asking for a Roman friend...