Bluemour 'Silly Season' Edition XXXIV

[Gethelred]

The interesting thing that suggests is that we're looking to get even ****ing younger again; looking to add even more players from the draft. It's an interesting idea; almost a minor list replenishment, potentially to suit a new coach's prerogatives?

 

[tencentpiece]

Guys who will be close to best 22?

Been fairly poor output from that strategy the past 6 years albeit possibly necessary to meet the TPP floor.

it wasn't allowed before. This is very different

 

[carlton_99]

Our so called "salary cap issue" must be a myth if we are okay to take salary dumps from other clubs.

 

[bradfisher14]

Exploring some salary dump options (us taking on salary for picks), doubtful it will happen as players have taken unders to bring in established players and don't want to ruin that good will but talking with those players to hear their thoughts.

Any updates with Harry's extension?

 

[Sheephead]

Exploring some salary dump options (us taking on salary for picks), doubtful it will happen as players have taken unders to bring in established players and don't want to ruin that good will but talking with those players to hear their thoughts.

Not sure if you can qualify this 10c. I heard scuttle pre-Brownlow that we were talking to Tom Mitchell. Hawks to pay a portion. Mitchell’s reaction on Brownlow night was interesting. Yes I know they work together, with Neale.

 

[Arr0w]

The interesting thing that suggests is that we're looking to get even ******* younger again; looking to add even more players from the draft. It's an interesting idea; almost a minor list replenishment, potentially to suit a new coach's prerogatives?

I think it's more a list management strategy and the timing is perfect

Talent aside I believe the best configuration of experience is quarter of the list 22 and under, a quarter 28+. The rest in the 23-27 age bracket

Seems that will be the outcome going into next year

 

[M_I_G]

Not sure if you can qualify this 10c. I heard scuttle pre-Brownlow that we were talking to Tom Mitchell. Hawks to pay a portion. Mitchell’s reaction on Brownlow night was interesting. Yes I know they work together, with Neale.

would take sicily if they force us too as well i guess..
Happy to take on all of Toby Greene's salary

 

[Coops93]

Our so called "salary cap issue" must be a myth if we are okay to take salary dumps from other clubs.

I remember in the first half of the season the rumours were we had enough salary space to go after 1 big free agent, then by the 2nd half of the year we apparently had a salary cap squeeze.

I don't think anyone in the media has any effing idea what our cap is.

 

[Coops93]

Wonder if we're planning on stockpiling picks to pay for the Camporeale boys?

Are they in next years draft? If so perhaps we're after future picks.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Reported tonight by John Ralph that "Grundy has chosen Melbourne and only Melbourne"...
That takes us out of the running for Grundy, who we weren't even in the running for anyway...

Posters have obviously forgot how good Pittonet was before injury,
he was regarded by most of us, as our most important player...

I'm in the camp we need another backup ruckman...
A reliable ruck that's happy to play VFL and stand up if there is an injury... Possibly a state league player...

Still don't see Mirkov as ready yet, good tap ruck, but the rest (strength and around the ground) is barely VFL standard...
Also much as he want's to be JSOS isn't a ruckman... IMO and stats back it up, he's been a liability in HO and clearances when he's in there...

A non banged up JSOS will probably need to be our full time 3rd tall forward, if we don't draft a KPF or TDK can't grasp the forward/ruck role in the off season...


Not sure about that, Hickey is a very underrated player...
Wish we had a younger version of him at Carlton...

Pittonet and TDK have both shown more than Hickey at this time of their careers.

Hickey us on his fourth club and had pretty much shown nothing to his stint with the swans. To his absolute credit he has come good in a big way.

Maybe we already have younger versions of Hickey on our list.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Wonder if we're planning on stockpiling picks to pay for the Camporeale boys?

Are they in next years draft? If so perhaps we're after future picks.

Year after, and plenty of water to go under the bridge before we move mountains to stockpile picks for either of them.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Not sure if you can qualify this 10c. I heard scuttle pre-Brownlow that we were talking to Tom Mitchell. Hawks to pay a portion. Mitchell’s reaction on Brownlow night was interesting. Yes I know they work together, with Neale.

If we're taking on board a salary dump for draft picks, it'd be more like the Will Brodie dump to Freo last year. Not sure if Mitchell fits this category.

Off the top of the head, you'd imagine it'd be GCS, or possibly GWS. I reckons I'd be happy to take on Alex Sexton's final year of his contract if it came with pick 31.

 

[PattyCr1pps]

it wasn't allowed before. This is very different

Always great to see you back with some bits of info. We haven't had much of late

 

[Coops93]

Year after, and plenty of water to go under the bridge before we move mountains to stockpile picks for either of them.

So 2024?

 

[skadoosh]

Article from The Age re: TCP's post around the new salary dump rule

Clubs allowed to ‘salary dump’ in a major change to AFL trade rules

A major policy change, allowing clubs to more easily dump the salaries of big-money players, could ignite next month’s AFL trade period.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Brackets]

The interesting thing that suggests is that we're looking to get even ******* younger again; looking to add even more players from the draft. It's an interesting idea; almost a minor list replenishment, potentially to suit a new coach's prerogatives?

If you take on a salary dump you're giving up picks, not getting extra. The benefit being it's cheaper in trade value.

 

[bigdog43]

The AFL is run by cowboys. I love the idea of salary dumping and think it works well in the NBA, but bringing it in just before the trade period? Seriously, at least give clubs some time to prepare and stop doing these rules changes/ adjustments on the fly.

 

[Blue__Balls]

So 2024?

Yep, 2024 draft. So we'll (the club) hopefully have a better indication by the end of next year as to whether either of them are draft-worthy and likely to nominate for Carlton, and what they're ballpark draft range would be - then we can plan ahead with some future pick trading.

 

[Blue__Balls]

If you take on a salary dump you're giving up picks, not getting extra. The benefit being it's cheaper in trade value.

The implication here is that clubs will be allowed to offload a player whose salary they don't want to carry, along with a draft pick to convince another club to take on the salary.

So, hypothetically:
- Gold Coast want to free up cap space to sign some of their young up-and-comers.
- They want to offload Alex Sexton, who is on a few hundred grand a year, but nobody really wants him.
- So they offer Sexton and a third rounder, for nothing in return.

They're paying a draft pick to get the salary off their books, rather than just taking a "lesser" or "token" pick.

It's potentially a very useful mechanism for clubs like North Melbourne. They've got cap space, need senior bodies, but don't want to forgo the draft. So they use their cap space to take on a stopgap senior player and get an extra draft pick to help them rebuild.

Theoretically it'll be less viable for top tier clubs, because their salary caps will generally be much tighter.

 

[Coona Blues]

Article from The Age re: TCP's post around the new salary dump rule

Clubs allowed to ‘salary dump’ in a major change to AFL trade rules

A major policy change, allowing clubs to more easily dump the salaries of big-money players, could ignite next month’s AFL trade period.

www.theage.com.au

I’m getting old. Way too many moving parts to the trade and draft process. OK theatre, and I don’t mind complex logistics, but I’m a “just a bottle of milk” kind of guy.

 

[Les Grossman playaaaa]

The implication here is that clubs will be allowed to offload a player whose salary they don't want to carry, along with a draft pick to convince another club to take on the salary.

So, hypothetically:
- Gold Coast want to free up cap space to sign some of their young up-and-comers.
- They want to offload Alex Sexton, who is on a few hundred grand a year, but nobody really wants him.
- So they offer Sexton and a third rounder, for nothing in return.

They're paying a draft pick to get the salary off their books, rather than just taking a "lesser" or "token" pick.

It's potentially a very useful mechanism for clubs like North Melbourne. They've got cap space, need senior bodies, but don't want to forgo the draft. So they use their cap space to take on a stopgap senior player and get an extra draft pick to help them rebuild.

Theoretically it'll be less viable for top tier clubs, because their salary caps will generally be much tighter.

Make it Matt Rowell and we have a deal.....

 

[Brackets]

The implication here is that clubs will be allowed to offload a player whose salary they don't want to carry, along with a draft pick to convince another club to take on the salary.

So, hypothetically:
- Gold Coast want to free up cap space to sign some of their young up-and-comers.
- They want to offload Alex Sexton, who is on a few hundred grand a year, but nobody really wants him.
- So they offer Sexton and a third rounder, for nothing in return.

They're paying a draft pick to get the salary off their books, rather than just taking a "lesser" or "token" pick.

It's potentially a very useful mechanism for clubs like North Melbourne. They've got cap space, need senior bodies, but don't want to forgo the draft. So they use their cap space to take on a stopgap senior player and get an extra draft pick to help them rebuild.

Theoretically it'll be less viable for top tier clubs, because their salary caps will generally be much tighter.

That's not what the policy change is according to the article. Read the first paragraph:

"officially allowing clubs to “salary dump”, or trade out players on big contracts for minimal draft return."

Minimal return does not mean negative return.

Edit: Sorry BB you're correct, article also mentions you can do what you're suggesting.

 

[carlton_99]

The implication here is that clubs will be allowed to offload a player whose salary they don't want to carry, along with a draft pick to convince another club to take on the salary.

So, hypothetically:
- Gold Coast want to free up cap space to sign some of their young up-and-comers.
- They want to offload Alex Sexton, who is on a few hundred grand a year, but nobody really wants him.
- So they offer Sexton and a third rounder, for nothing in return.

They're paying a draft pick to get the salary off their books, rather than just taking a "lesser" or "token" pick.

It's potentially a very useful mechanism for clubs like North Melbourne. They've got cap space, need senior bodies, but don't want to forgo the draft. So they use their cap space to take on a stopgap senior player and get an extra draft pick to help them rebuild.

Theoretically it'll be less viable for top tier clubs, because their salary caps will generally be much tighter.

Just semantics of course but would think something like a 4th rounder would go back in that situation. Think there still needs to be an exchange of something

 

[Dramoth]

Guys who will be close to best 22?

Been fairly poor output from that strategy the past 6 years albeit possibly necessary to meet the TPP floor.

We took the salary dumps to get the players we wanted. Some of them worked out for us... some of them didn't.

 

[Stamos]

That's not what the policy change is according to the article. Read the first paragraph:

"officially allowing clubs to “salary dump”, or trade out players on big contracts for minimal draft return."

Minimal return does not mean negative return.

Edit: Sorry BB you're correct, article also suggests you can do what you're suggesting.

Read further

The change will allow clubs with a large amount of salary cap space but few draft picks - North Melbourne this year, for example - to use their salary cap space as a tool to effectively buy themselves a draft pick. That is, to get a good draft pick you have to take the expensive player.

The AFL would previously have seen this as an unfair trade and blocked it, but now recognise the value to clubs in getting a player’s salary off the books.