Brad Ebert asks to be traded to Port

[bomberclifford]

Interesting mathematics bomber.

Too quick for my edit!!

 

[Schulzenfest]

Hmm. Assuming the Freo thing is true (and let's be honest, even 2010 Motlop is better than most of the spuds who Lyin' has traded in over the years), how's about this?

West Coast get: Pick 33 from Port, whatever Freo's second rounder is (38 I think)
West Coast give: Brad Ebert, pick 45 (which they wouldn't use if they had 33 and 38anyway)

Port give: Motlop + pick 51 to Freo, pick 33 to West Coast.
Port get: Brad Ebert, pick 45 from West Coast.

Freo get: Daniel Motlop, pick 51 from Port
Freo give: Pick 38 to West Coast

All seems fair enough to me. If Freo weren't willing to downgrade that much (realistically Motlop's perceived trade value is below his real value, even though it shouldn't be) then they could get West Coast's 45 instead and then give their third rounder to us or something.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

I'll let Freo fans tell you what they think

 

[joeyavalanche]

Hmm. Assuming the Freo thing is true (and let's be honest, even 2010 Motlop is better than most of the spuds who Lyin' has traded in over the years), how's about this?

West Coast get: Pick 33 from Port, whatever Freo's second rounder is (38 I think)
West Coast give: Brad Ebert, pick 45 (which they wouldn't use if they had 33 and 38anyway)

Port give: Motlop + pick 51 to Freo, pick 33 to West Coast.
Port get: Brad Ebert, pick 45 from West Coast.

Freo get: Daniel Motlop, pick 51 from Port
Freo give: Pick 38 to West Coast

All seems fair enough to me. If Freo weren't willing to downgrade that much (realistically Motlop's perceived trade value is below his real value, even though it shouldn't be) then they could get West Coast's 45 instead and then give their third rounder to us or something.

you'd have a better chance offering us donald dickie for ebert

 

[Natman]

We only need to front-end Brad's contract to keep GC and GWS away at the PSD.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Sounds like WCE have all but conceded on pick 28

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...he-western-front/story-e6freco3-1226163419203

"Brad is a very good player - we picked him with a first-round draft pick (No. 13 in 2007) and we are disappointed he wants to go home when we are about to see his best football," Daniher said. "We're looking for a draft pick to compensate us but I don't think Port Adelaide will be giving us their priority pick (at No. 28)." Rohde confirmed this, saying: "Our first two picks (Nos. 6 and 28) are not on the table."

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...he-western-front/story-e6freco3-1226163419203

 

[cmpower]

i said in another forum, i would like to see brogan, chad and pick 33 to GWS for harding and pick 25.
we then trade pick 25 to get Ebert.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

i said in another forum, i would like to see brogan, chad and pick 33 to GWS for harding and pick 25.
we then trade pick 25 to get Ebert.

I thought WCE had already said they would accept 28?

I can't see the point of us wasting the Borgan/Chad compensation for the Eagles benefit instead of ours. At the end of the day they will accept 28 if it is offered.

 

[wayb2912]

Why not trade 28 instead of 25

 

[FishingRick04]

Well seeing what West Coast offered for Clarke, they are being a tad hypocritical if they are low balling us!

 

[JMint]

Sounds like WCE have all but conceded on pick 28

The way Daniher carries on in the media - you'd think they were just about to make Brad Ebert their captain.

The reality is, they were playing him out of position, then they dropped him ... so he is off looking for opportunities elsewhere.

Pick #33 is a pretty good deal IMHO - because there's a chance we can get someone with more upside at #28 (or use that to trade that up higher with another player).

 

[Portology]

Here's an idea for WC to ponder. I posted in another thread but it belongs here:

Chad & Broges for "GWS will not PSD Brad Ebert plus pre-listed player X". #51 to GC effectively as a freebie, for a promise not to PSD Ebert. Port keep #28 and #33, and move on to the next deal of the Week rather than wasting all week waiting for WC to accept #33.

 

[QS]

Here's an idea for WC to ponder. I posted in another thread but it belongs here:

Chad & Broges for "GWS will not PSD Brad Ebert plus pre-listed player X". #51 to GC effectively as a freebie, for a promise not to PSD Ebert. Port keep #28 and #33, and move on to the next deal of the Week rather than wasting all week waiting for WC to accept #33.

Port won't get him in the PSD. Sorry to dash your hopes, but look at it realistically - young bloke, 70 odd games of experience, ready made body size - can you see GC and GWS passing that up? A promise, unless formalised in way of a contract, is worth the paper it's written on.

Port know they have to trade, and WCE want to assist Brad get to Port. All part of trade week shinanigans my teal friend.

 

[Lightning_Rod]

where does this sense of entitlement come from with these wce fans, its worked in the past, almost every time a player want to go to a specified club, thats where they go, irrespective of where that teams pick is in the psd. Dont be fooled you aren't in the winning position mate far from it. You are playing a losing hand with your best poker face on, but ultimately we never chased brad, he chased us.

 

[a1092115]

If this year's draft is shallow like most people are saying, the difference between 28 and 33 would seem negligible. Do the trade now, preserve some goodwill with WCE and focus more on who we're going to select with pick 6.

 

[Portology]

Port won't get him in the PSD. Sorry to dash your hopes, but look at it realistically - young bloke, 70 odd games of experience, ready made body size - can you see GC and GWS passing that up? A promise, unless formalised in way of a contract, is worth the paper it's written on.

Port know they have to trade, and WCE want to assist Brad get to Port. All part of trade week shinanigans my teal friend.

No one has to trade, buddy. The sort of deal I'm talking about has been done before, only the most well known is the Jade Rawlings to Bulldogs example, and guess who was taking over at the Bullies at that point ? Peter Rohde. Not exactly the same deal, sure, but the same in the important sense that one club promised not to trade a player away in order to secure the player as a PSD pick for another club, and the AFL did not call it draft tampering. Many times since then a club has openly committed to player X in the PSD well prior to the day. Plausible denial can be constructed

Anyway, your description also fits Alan Toovey perfectly. His defection from the Pies makes our route to the PSD option even easier to construct, if your lot make it necessary to do so. He would be a perfect pick up for GC to backup or even replace Campbell Brown, and GWS would have seen the value of a few mature bodies down back.

 

[PortBrillance]

Port won't get him in the PSD. Sorry to dash your hopes, but look at it realistically - young bloke, 70 odd games of experience, ready made body size - can you see GC and GWS passing that up? A promise, unless formalised in way of a contract, is worth the paper it's written on.

Port know they have to trade, and WCE want to assist Brad get to Port. All part of trade week shinanigans my teal friend.

There is no way in hell that WS or GC would ever take Ebert as he will be living in Adelaide. They will pass on him, he isn't Chris Judd.

 

[Forward Press]

Here's an idea for WC to ponder. I posted in another thread but it belongs here:

Chad & Broges for "GWS will not PSD Brad Ebert plus pre-listed player X". #51 to GC effectively as a freebie, for a promise not to PSD Ebert. Port keep #28 and #33, and move on to the next deal of the Week rather than wasting all week waiting for WC to accept #33.

Sounds a lot like the Veale deal. Trading a draft pick for an 'undertaking' to not pick a player.

It seems however both clubs are willing to negotiate instead of forcing Ebert to the PSD, and I like to think they are far more reasonable than some of the more rabid one-eyed 'fans' and their willingness to screw the other party.

 

[elsler]

they will trade for him the LAST resort is psd but i dont think we will give more than 28 for him

 

[b0ydman]

Here's an idea for WC to ponder. I posted in another thread but it belongs here:

Chad & Broges for "GWS will not PSD Brad Ebert plus pre-listed player X". #51 to GC effectively as a freebie, for a promise not to PSD Ebert. Port keep #28 and #33, and move on to the next deal of the Week rather than wasting all week waiting for WC to accept #33.

Thats a great idea
I'd like a person like you in my team
ther is not enough thinking like this getting around
I would add however, that we would need to be prepared to send this guy to sit outside the houses of GWS and GC staff

Do not trust football club employees one bit

(Heads up for last 3 episodes of S4 Breaking Bad- WATCH THEM NOW before they get spoiled)

 

[no_remorse28]

Port won't get him in the PSD. Sorry to dash your hopes, but look at it realistically - young bloke, 70 odd games of experience, ready made body size - can you see GC and GWS passing that up? A promise, unless formalised in way of a contract, is worth the paper it's written on.

Port know they have to trade, and WCE want to assist Brad get to Port. All part of trade week shinanigans my teal friend.

Sorry to shy in, my question is why would GC or GWS take a player who has just left one club to hopefully end up at Alberton, would it really be worth them putting another 22 games of development into him before he declares he want to go home again, I personally would not draft a kid who has already played the home sickness card once, what would be the point, he wont bring any extra success to either new side next year, A waste of PSD, Money and time IMO for GC and GWS

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Sorry to shy in, my question is why would GC or GWS take a player who has just left one club to hopefully end up at Alberton, would it really be worth them putting another 22 games of development into him before he declares he want to go home again, I personally would not draft a kid who has already played the home sickness card once, what would be the point, he wont bring any extra success to either new side next year, A waste of PSD, Money and time IMO for GC and GWS

They could hold him a year and then trade him to you next trade period.

Free 2nd rounder as far as they're concerned.

 

[PortBrillance]

won't happen. West Coast have two choices;

Accept our offer of either 33 or 28, or Ebert comes to us in the PSD.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Well seeing what West Coast offered for Clarke, they are being a tad hypocritical if they are low balling us!

Well we don't have all that much to bid for Clarke. We put in a bid and Brisbane have said we gave been good to work with. We aren't chasing after Clarke either. His preference is Fremantle.

Now the fact you haven't offered 28 suggests you aren't serious.

 

[Lightning_Rod]

Why is it expected of us to offer something when we aren't the ones trying to lure brad here, he wants out of your club and wants to come here, whether it by trade or psd I'm not fussed whether he is here or not but by no means should we feel obliged to give u our picks because u can't retain your own players, that's a culture issue. We retain ours how about you guys?