Brad Scott unleashes

[PoidaCat]

It was avoidable, if he didn't go to bump joseph in the head with a flared elbow there wouldn't have been any contact.

Edited for accuracy.

 

[scomac]

It was avoidable, if he didn't go for the ball there wouldn't have been any contact.

Tas this is BS man HE Had Options.

 

[Boppo]

Saw the Z incident for the first time, to suggest he shouldn't cop a few weeks is stupid. If everyone ran around slamming in like that there would be no one left at half time.

 

[bombermick]

I love the passion and he's obviously far from alone in his stance - most of the footy world feels the same. But I find it hard to believe the footy was his sole focus when he braced himself for the hit.

The AFL has made it clear you can't collect the head and that's the risk you take when you leave the ground. Discussion over IMO.

 

[KennyHunter9]

So North clearly believe jumping up with your elbow flared out is 'going for the ball'.

If he was going for the ball you would either be attempting to spoil or grab the ball. Ziebel was doing neither.

You can't just recklessly bump someone in the head then go 'well the ball was in the area and therefore anything I do can be excused by saying I was going for the ball'

Agreed.

There's a simple test here that Norf have failed: if the rules were improperly applied, then APPEAL.

All this whinging - from Brayshaw, Scott, Petrie etc - is empty and cheap rhetoric because they've not backed their opinion with action. Talk is cheap boys so appeal or shut up.

 

[Tas]

Tas this is BS man HE Had Options.

Murphy had options too, one was not to give Joseph a hospital handpass.

Joseph had options too, one was to have some awareness and another was to protect himself.

 

[scomac]

Murphy had options too, one was not to give Joseph a hospital handpass.

Tas your better than that.

 

[The Nostradamus]

I love the passion and he's obviously far from alone in his stance - most of the footy world feels the same. But I find it hard to believe the footy was his sole focus when he braced himself for the hit.

The AFL has made it clear you can't collect the head and that's the risk you take when you leave the ground. Discussion over IMO.

The bracing himself was to protect himself from the collision.
People keep repeating the same stuff and the discussion continues to go around in circles.
Also yes it appears most of the footy world are thinking ziebell is stiff,it will be interesting to see what happens the next time an incident like this occurs

 

[yaco55]

There is nothing surer than Ziebell will get pinged for the same offence in 2013.

 

[Replica31]

Murphy had options too, one was not to give Joseph a hospital handpass.

Joseph had options too, one was to have some awareness and another was to protect himself.

How exactly do you protect yourself from an oncoming player jumping into you and try to get the ball at the same time?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Agreed.

There's a simple test here that Norf have failed: if the rules were improperly applied, then APPEAL.

All this whinging - from Brayshaw, Scott, Petrie etc - is empty and cheap rhetoric because they've not backed their opinion with action. Talk is cheap boys so appeal or shut up.

Ziebell was represented by a QC; the system gave them no room to move. You can't challenge the rules themselves.

 

[bombermick]

How exactly do you protect yourself from an oncoming player jumping into you and try to get the ball at the same time?

He doesn't learn. The footy world is yelling "but he was going for the ball", but running through Joseph was another aim - even if it was secondary. 99% of AFL players get you can't do it ... why can't he?

 

[scomac]

The bracing himself was to protect himself from the collision.
People keep repeating the same stuff and the discussion continues to go around in circles.
Also yes it appears most of the footy world are thinking ziebell is stiff,it will be interesting to see what happens the next time an incident like this occurs

Simple Question why jump.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Simple Question why jump.

Because the ball was in the air and in dispute.

 

[scomac]

Because the ball was in the air and in dispute.

It was a handball, if it was a kick we would not be having this discussion FFS he would have got weeks in the 70s this is not courageous.

 

[greennick]

What's with all the West Coast supporters with their panties up in a bunch? Am I missing something?

We've always had a healthy disrespect for North. Have a feeling from our games this year the feeling is more than mutual...

 

[The Nostradamus]

It was a handball, if it was a kick we would not be having this discussion FFS he would have got weeks in the 70s this is not courageous.

He is allowed to jump if the ball is in the air and in dispute whether it is a handball or kick.
The tribuneral said there was another alternative but to me that could only be waiting for joseph to get the ball.
And most of the footy world knows that shouldn't be how afl is played and that ziebell had every right to go for that ball.

End of discussion

 

[greennick]

The bracing himself was to protect himself from the collision.
People keep repeating the same stuff and the discussion continues to go around in circles.
Also yes it appears most of the footy world are thinking ziebell is stiff,it will be interesting to see what happens the next time an incident like this occurs

I still don't get why you think it is appropriate for him to be able to jump and brace himself, leaving Joseph with no option but to take a hit to the head or duck out of the way. There is nothing brave about that and it is just stupid with the current rules.

 

[greennick]

Murphy had options too, one was not to give Joseph a hospital handpass.

Joseph had options too, one was to have some awareness and another was to protect himself.

Please tell me how Joseph was to protect himself?

 

[The Nostradamus]

I still don't get why you think it is appropriate for him to be able to jump and brace himself, leaving Joseph with no option but to take a hit to the head or duck out of the way. There is nothing brave about that and it is just stupid with the current rules.

Because if he didn't brace himself he could have Still caused damage to Joseph and also himself

 

[KennyHunter9]

Ziebell was represented by a QC; the system gave them no room to move. You can't challenge the rules themselves.

Rubbish. The advice of the QC was not to challenge. Why? Because the rules were correctly applied. The Appeals Board hears appeals. They are distinct from the rules of the games committee.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Great whinge, courageous whinge, shinboner spirit whinge.

The most adept post. Brad Scott is a master whinger.
North seem to be always whinging.

 

[KennyHunter9]

He is allowed to jump if the ball is in the air and in dispute whether it is a handball or kick.
The tribuneral said there was another alternative but to me that could only be waiting for joseph to get the ball.
And most of the footy world knows that shouldn't be how afl is played and that ziebell had every right to go for that ball.

End of discussion

No - not the end - but the start of the appeals board process if North really believed its rhetoric. They clearly don't. It's all empty.

 

[Engimal]

The most adept post. Brad Scott is a master whinger.
North seem to be always whinging.

Oh a West Coast supporter is complaining about whinging? Please, go on. I could do with a laugh.

 

[Tas]

How exactly do you protect yourself from an oncoming player jumping into you and try to get the ball at the same time?

You let survival instincts kick in, brace for impact, raise your arm to defend yourself. Players are not protecting themselves these days because they can get cheap high free kicks out of it.

If you are running headlong towards other players then why in gods name would you just sit there and make no effort to protect yourself from the impact. Joseph has the right to attack the contest if his eyes are on the ball. Ziebell has the right to attack the contest if his eyes are on the ball.

They got the umpire in and showed him the vision again and he said at best he would have given Joseph a free kick for high contact. MRP got a medical report that Joseph suffered delayed concussion and Ziebell was guilty irrespective of the rules. This other option shit does not exist for contesting marks, doesn't exist for contesting the ball, it only exists for bumping, where you make no effort to go for the ball.