Brayshaw and Cerra.

[ImperialPurple]

After a year in the WAFL and 3 more as a KPD where he was good. What's your point? For every player that takes 4 years to become a gun midfielder, there are 100's that either don't make it or make it in 1,2 or 3 years.

He was a flanker, not KPD. We had McPharlin, Parker, Johnson and Grover as KPDs when Mundy was in his first few seasons. He had a year in the WAFL, three years as a skinny halfback flanker - a solid C grade player. Moves into a midfield where he’s protected by Pav, Cookie, MCarr, JCarr while he develops. He was at least 24-25 before he started to emerge an A-grade mid.

I’m with Taylor in this - Mundy wasn’t even Mundy until he was 6 years into his career.

 

[Spirit Level]

They're both doing fine.

Yes, Brayshaw needs to tidy his disposal and Cerra needs to work on his application but they're trending in the right direction

Cerra has really impressed me with ball in hand this year

 

[Greenery]

My concern with these two is there hasn't been a lot of visible improvement on the footy field from years 1-3, what that's down to who knows. Yeah 1 both looked like they were going to be bonafide stars in the middle, playing well for first year players. Since then I thought Brayshaw was coming on really strong last year but from year 1 to now its hard to see signs of improvement. More time this year will see how true this is, obviously many factors have affected this years preparation.

 

[dropbear101]

People aren't realising the improvement (easy to notice when someone rips a game apart but the 7% improvement is harder to notice). brayshaw and cerra are both improving in the number of disposals they are getting but it only going up 1 or 2 per season. I believe cerra looks far more comfortable out there and I think his decision making has improved. Brayshaws carrying an injury but despite that according to my eye test I think hes improving.
Cerra and brayshaw have not gone backwards.

I am happy with cerra and brayshaw at the moment.

 

[arsesmart]

My concern with these two is there hasn't been a lot of visible improvement on the footy field from years 1-3, what that's down to who knows. Yeah 1 both looked like they were going to be bonafide stars in the middle, playing well for first year players. Since then I thought Brayshaw was coming on really strong last year but from year 1 to now its hard to see signs of improvement. More time this year will see how true this is, obviously many factors have affected this years preparation.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Neale was drafted at 19.

We need to wait another year to compare with Neale.

No he wasn't. He was born in 93 and drafted in 2011.

 

[Dockernut]

People aren't realising the improvement (easy to notice when someone rips a game apart but the 7% improvement is harder to notice). brayshaw and cerra are both improving in the number of disposals they are getting but it only going up 1 or 2 per season. I believe cerra looks far more comfortable out there and I think his decision making has improved. Brayshaws carrying an injury but despite that according to my eye test I think hes improving.
Cerra and brayshaw have not gone backwards.

I am happy with cerra and brayshaw at the moment.

I sometimes look at what a quality player that Richards is for the Doggies and wonder why we didn’t look closer at him in that draft. Maybe because we’re not great at identifying talent.

 

[Joao]

I sometimes look at what a quality player that Richards is for the Doggies and wonder why we didn’t look closer at him in that draft. Maybe because we’re not great at identifying talent.

Yeah since Andy and Cez don't get enough ball it would be great to get Richards in to have 12 disposals per game.

 

[Scham]

No he wasn't. He was born in 93 and drafted in 2011.

I really don’t think it matters. Neither of them will ever be as good as Neale imo.

 

[Dockernut]

Yeah since Andy and Cez don't get enough ball it would be great to get Richards in to have 12 disposals per game.

Remember when Rockliff used to rack up big numbers? That made him a better player than Stephen Hill during the same period..

 

[Joao]

Remember when Rockliff used to rack up big numbers? That made him a better player than Stephen Hill during the same period..

I see, Hill > Rockliff therefor Richards > Andy and Cez.

First of all thats dumb because Rockliff actually is a good player. Still gets plenty of it when he is fit. Probably not Shill's level but not that far off it. Second, no 12 disposal average player should leave you pining unless you just like to complain. He objectively has trouble getting involved in the play. Doesn't matter how good he occasionally looks when he does have it.

I mean if you compared them to peak Cyril or Eddy then sure I would agree that there 15 disposals are way better, but this is Ed Richards, a player who I am sure if he didn't have such striking red hair would be largely unnoticed based on performance to date.

 

[Dockernut]

I see, Hill > Rockliff therefor Richards > Andy and Cez.

First of all thats dumb because Rockliff actually is a good player. Still gets plenty of it when he is fit. Probably not Shill's level but not that far off it. Second, no 12 disposal average player should leave you pining unless you just like to complain. He objectively has trouble getting involved in the play. Doesn't matter how good he occasionally looks when he does have it.

I mean if you compared them to peak Cyril or Eddy then sure I would agree that there 15 disposals are way better, but this is Ed Richards, a player who I am sure if he didn't have such striking red hair would be largely unnoticed based on performance to date.

Lucky Cerra doesn’t have any trouble, objectively or otherwise, with getting involved in games.

 

[eastfreo75]

No he wasn't. He was born in 93 and drafted in 2011.

My bad.

 

[Joao]

Lucky Cerra doesn’t have any trouble, objectively or otherwise, with getting involved in games.

Cerra averages over two disposals more per game, and they have both played predominantly as flankers.

So however bad your think Cerra is, Richards is objectively worse and plays in a better team.

 

[Freoforever86]

My concern with these two is there hasn't been a lot of visible improvement on the footy field from years 1-3, what that's down to who knows. Yeah 1 both looked like they were going to be bonafide stars in the middle, playing well for first year players. Since then I thought Brayshaw was coming on really strong last year but from year 1 to now its hard to see signs of improvement. More time this year will see how true this is, obviously many factors have affected this years preparation.

There was a noticeable improvement last season, especially back end for Brayshaw. Tore the game against the dogs apart.

The next step has been hard to see, but it’s a strange year too. There’s plenty of experienced players struggling with Everything 2020 has thrown at the AFL.

they’re not at 50 games yet, keep pumping games into them and hopefully we see that uptick from 50-100 games.

ideally Brayshaw becomes a 20-25 touch mid but 5-10 tackles a game.
Cerra is a better user naturally, so would want him up around 25+ weekly

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I refuse to believe Brayshaw isn’t carrying something. He wasn’t played on ball until Fyfe was injured last night and his time on ground crazy low for someone like him

 

[mike91]

Can clearly see progress has been made with Cerra. Not sure why his midfield numbers aren't higher, very frustrating.

Brayshaw has gone backwards massively so far and his kicking has been embarrassing.

Both still young to say "they still have time"
. I can see the potential with Cerra, but Brayshaw.....

 

[Tbonefreo]

I threw the idea out there of getting something for Brayshaw and was shot down. He should be dropped.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Can clearly see progress has been made with Cerra. Not sure why his midfield numbers aren't higher, very frustrating.

Brayshaw has gone backwards massively so far and his kicking has been embarrassing.

Both still young to say "they still have time"
. I can see the potential with Cerra, but Brayshaw.....

I thought his kicking has improved significantly this year personally. He is having one howler a game at the moment which would be stock standard for most players

 

[TheMcManusNose]

Brayshaw is weird because last year he showed clear progression in the middle.

I don't think he's actively gotten worse but the time on ground and time in the middle hint at it being something else.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Brayshaw is weird because last year he showed clear progression in the middle.

I don't think he's actively gotten worse but the time on ground and time in the middle hint at it being something else.

Yeah, as shown in here, I think a lot of the frustration with him is that he’s stalled on last year, he hasn’t gotten worse, he’s just going invisible for parts of the game. He’s also not Matt Rowell

Seems to be an injury or coaching thing because he’s back to playing the flank a lot more where he didn’t attend a centre bounce until Fyfe was injured last night

 

[mike91]

I thought his kicking has improved significantly this year personally. He is having one howler a game at the moment which would be stock standard for most players

Brayshaw? Agree to disagree, but personally think his kicking has been very poor. Cerra's kicking has been good

 

[mayne iac]

You guys writing him off need to watch the little things he does.

 

[Swiggy]

People are joking right they are in there 3rd season played about 40 games each. Give them some time look at someone like Petracca he’s played double the games of these two and is just becoming a start.

Think people need to give all these kids more time

 

[Scham]

Brayshaw? Agree to disagree, but personally think his kicking has been very poor. Cerra's kicking has been good

Brayshaw’s disposal count is down this year vs last year but his effective disposal count is up. DE % has increased 13%.