Brett Deledio's Tiger deal on hold

[Punt_Road_Roar]

You guys won't be saying that he's not very good when he wins you matches this year.

We arent saying he isnt very good at all, he is actually one of our best players and we need him to stay IMO, but what I think your misunderstanding from some of the posts on here, is if Deledio does decide to leave it wont be the end of the world in fact we might even gain from it if the club plays it smart enough.

Losing a player is not the end of the world.

 

[theflea]

With all due respect, I think you took that out of context. Bo said we can continue to improve without Lids, not surge up the ladder and win three of the next five GFs. It was more a point about the club being bigger than a sum of all the parts, etc.




Pretty sure Lids has done all that and more. But he's obviously never been to the Judd, Ablett level, doesn't seem to have the leadership qualities to go there IMO. The thing is, who says he has to be that? Just because he's a number one draft pick? Hell, neither Judd or Ablett was even that? Lids is Lids, and a damn good player. Would walk in to any top four team, and would kill it.

what the hell is going on? lids is our best player and has been for that 3+ years. if we didnt have him on the hbl who else would have got the ball out. as has been said its not about who kicks the goals its about effect on the game. are you saying that his effort on goddard was not game defining?please everyone just take a breath and relax. its january and we are worrying about nothing. yet. let it run the course and then comment about it.

 

[Goldust]

Agree, also remember Foley ripping games to shreds. For that matter Cotchin too. You don't have to kick 6 to win it off your own boot (unless you are a forward).... Such short memories some people on here...

I SERIOUSLY doubt many players have what you would term won a game off their own boot.
I agree Lids and Foley too have played some blinders, but I doubt they were the sole reason we got across the line.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

what the hell is going on? lids is our best player and has been for that 3+ years. if we didnt have him on the hbl who else would have got the ball out. as has been said its not about who kicks the goals its about effect on the game. are you saying that his effort on goddard was not game defining?please everyone just take a breath and relax. its january and we are worrying about nothing. yet. let it run the course and then comment about it.

Lol, did you quote the wrong person? I've done nothing but defended Lids on this whole thread

 

[muttweed]

I don't anyone is saying that he's not very good Cobba.... perhaps just some quibbling over what order he's in out of our best players....

Yeah, I don't think Cobba meant "not very good". I think he meant, you guys are trying to define him as less than he is.

Seen a lot of things that could be summarised "There's something about him, it won't hurt when he leaves" and "Oh he's not that important. Not as important as Cotch, so we'll be right".

A good player is a good player. It'll hurt the team no matter what.

We were hurt in the midfield without Gaz by having one less reliable option.

He could run good, break tackles, use the ball well, get heapsa touches and play forward. Irreplacable. If it was my choice, I'd rather have him in the midfield than Christensen etc.

We all know, having Gaz in the team would have only made us better. Let us be 100% honest here.

But no. He is a lying, unloyal, selfish prick. And I can deal with that now I guess, with the new flag and all, but there is no doubt in my mind we would have been better with him in the side.

With all due respect, I think you took that out of context. Bo said we can continue to improve without Lids, not surge up the ladder and win three of the next five GFs. It was more a point about the club being bigger than a sum of all the parts, etc.

Of course you can. Ablett was our #1 player, Lids is not your #1.

Good luck in 2012 guys

For your sake, and because I know how it feels first hand, I hope Lids doesn't leave. Although in all honesty, it'd be nice if we had him

 

[_RT_]

What is with all the give him an ultimatum crap? I understand what posters are getting at in suggesting it, but surely Deledio is entitled to sit back and see how he and the side go this year before he re-signs. Lets say he was given a deal now where it was $1.5m over 3 years and he then ended the year winning his 3rd JD medal, made the AA side and had a high finish in the Brownlow. He would have cost himself $100-150k by committing to a deal early on.

Now I don't know about you guys, but if I was Deledio, I sure as hell would be wanting to get the best possible deal for myself, regardless of where I was going to play next year. As it is I fully expect that Deledio will eventually re-sign with us and it will most likely be in the last 1/4 of the season perhaps even after the season finishes.

 

[theflea]

Lol, did you quote the wrong person? I've done nothing but defended Lids on this whole thread

ha i was supporting you, just forgot to mention it when i was ranting! sorry mate!

 

[Bojangles17]

With all due respect, I think you took that out of context. Bo said we can continue to improve without Lids, not surge up the ladder and win three of the next five GFs. It was more a point about the club being bigger than a sum of all the parts, etc.




Pretty sure Lids has done all that and more. But he's obviously never been to the Judd, Ablett level, doesn't seem to have the leadership qualities to go there IMO. The thing is, who says he has to be that? Just because he's a number one draft pick? Hell, neither Judd or Ablett was even that? Lids is Lids, and a damn good player. Would walk in to any top four team, and would kill it.

cheers DD, glad i didnt have to go to great lengths to explain that if Geelong post losing their greatest player in the modern era can defy popular opinion and WIN a flag then I believe in our situation we can indeed continue to improve with or without...

 

[TJTIGER]

What is with all the give him an ultimatum crap? I understand what posters are getting at in suggesting it, but surely Deledio is entitled to sit back and see how he and the side go this year before he re-signs. Lets say he was given a deal now where it was $1.5m over 3 years and he then ended the year winning his 3rd JD medal, made the AA side and had a high finish in the Brownlow. He would have cost himself $100-150k by committing to a deal early on.

Now I don't know about you guys, but if I was Deledio, I sure as hell would be wanting to get the best possible deal for myself, regardless of where I was going to play next year. As it is I fully expect that Deledio will eventually re-sign with us and it will most likely be in the last 1/4 of the season perhaps even after the season finishes.

Good call RT, I agree and if Lids is going to spend more time in the middle this year and he wants to really demonstrate further his value to the club by shredding it up in order to maximise his contract, without necessarily holding the club to ransom. I say go for it Lids !! Every player is that very same position.

 

[Equus]

OH GOD! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

Get a grip people.

 

[Waltz17]

What is with all the give him an ultimatum crap? I understand what posters are getting at in suggesting it, but surely Deledio is entitled to sit back and see how he and the side go this year before he re-signs. Lets say he was given a deal now where it was $1.5m over 3 years and he then ended the year winning his 3rd JD medal, made the AA side and had a high finish in the Brownlow. He would have cost himself $100-150k by committing to a deal early on.

Now I don't know about you guys, but if I was Deledio, I sure as hell would be wanting to get the best possible deal for myself, regardless of where I was going to play next year. As it is I fully expect that Deledio will eventually re-sign with us and it will most likely be in the last 1/4 of the season perhaps even after the season finishes.

I completely agree. Committing to a new contract almost a year before your current one expires would be folly. The OP was quoting an artical from a bloody newspaper. I didn't have to study journalism for three years to know what "spin" is. Pretend for an instant the artical said "deledio wants to stay at Richmond AND wants to play finals." That would be a bit more accurate I think.

Oh and @Cobba and Muttweed when people say "There's something about him, it won't hurt when he leaves" and "Oh he's not that important" etc. its the very small minority.

It would not be the end of the world if he left, but it would be a devastating blow...

 

[Nebular]

What is with all the give him an ultimatum crap? I understand what posters are getting at in suggesting it, but surely Deledio is entitled to sit back and see how he and the side go this year before he re-signs. Lets say he was given a deal now where it was $1.5m over 3 years and he then ended the year winning his 3rd JD medal, made the AA side and had a high finish in the Brownlow. He would have cost himself $100-150k by committing to a deal early on.

Now I don't know about you guys, but if I was Deledio, I sure as hell would be wanting to get the best possible deal for myself, regardless of where I was going to play next year. As it is I fully expect that Deledio will eventually re-sign with us and it will most likely be in the last 1/4 of the season perhaps even after the season finishes.

A round of applause for RT please.

The most sensible post for the whole thread.

 

[Filthy Sanchez]

First of all this story has been created due to two reasons. The need to sell papers and Richmond fans' paranoia.

I posted a similar thing in another thread but it might be more appropriate here.

I think it is safe to say that Deledio's main objective is to play in a grand final. We can also agree that Deledio will not be able to go to the club of his choosing through FA at the end of this year because Richmond could match any reasonable offers as he is a restricted free agent. We also agree that Deledio's preferable option is to stay at a successful Richmond team.

Therefore Deledio would need to put his faith into a trade with a top 4 team to put himself into premiership contention. However this would seem difficult to do as top clubs often don't have the draft picks and aren't willing to trade players away as it may unbalance a team that is already doing well.

So if I was Deledio I would re-sign with Richmond for two more years at the end of this year. That way at the end of 2014 I can re-evaluate Richmond's chances of playing in a grand final two years from now when the current youth hit their prime. If things are still looking dodgy then I can easily leave Richmond and move to any club of my choosing (being the team most likely to play in the 2015 grand final.) as an unrestricted free agent. This would be the best option for Deledio and Richmond as it gives us another two years to prove our worth and Deledio can virtually guarantee himself a grand final if he holds off to become an unrestricted free agent.

 

[jihg]

Haven't read the whole thread but my two cents worth if Deledio leaves to play finals then good luck to him and he can piss off for the club it would be a huge set back no doubt would rather he stay but if he goes to GWS or another club to through free agency then we will be compensated and we should get somewhere in the vicinity of similar to what Melbourne got for Scully and I believe our recruiting has improved enough that we will not waste those picks this time.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

What is with all the give him an ultimatum crap? I understand what posters are getting at in suggesting it, but surely Deledio is entitled to sit back and see how he and the side go this year before he re-signs. Lets say he was given a deal now where it was $1.5m over 3 years and he then ended the year winning his 3rd JD medal, made the AA side and had a high finish in the Brownlow. He would have cost himself $100-150k by committing to a deal early on.

Now I don't know about you guys, but if I was Deledio, I sure as hell would be wanting to get the best possible deal for myself, regardless of where I was going to play next year. As it is I fully expect that Deledio will eventually re-sign with us and it will most likely be in the last 1/4 of the season perhaps even after the season finishes.

Given that all , including players, since Dimmas arrival, have preached loyalty and willingness to forego whatever is possible to improve the club and rise back to be a powerhouse , I think it's only fair and reasonable to be upset with what has appeared to be the first intent from a player to put themselves before the club .
I appreciate that it's an article which has little quotes , however I think it's fair to assume it's likely that certain facets within the article have been leaked , to improve Brett's contract offer .
Have absolutely no problem with Brett asking for more money but if it affects what appears to be a very healthy commitment between the current players to fore go what ever is necessary to achieve success for this club well , see ya later .
This same assummed commitment from the players, I have little doubt has seen members and supporters contribute financially, which they could have used elsewhere for their own benefit .
Yes a article with no quotes, but it can and has been seen, by some as a player holding out on a contract solely for their own benefit , which I can understand the angst .

 

[Rich o man]

Haven't read the whole thread but my two cents worth if Deledio leaves to play finals then good luck to him and he can piss off for the club it would be a huge set back no doubt would rather he stay but if he goes to GWS or another club to through free agency then we will be compensated and we should get somewhere in the vicinity of similar to what Melbourne got for Scully and I believe our recruiting has improved enough that we will not waste those picks this time.

in my opinion Delidio is currently our best player and just reaching his prime. Never injured and a great athlete. He could play into his mid thirties at a high standard. Unfortunately I think he is underestimated by the football community including Richmond supporters and if he did leave as a restricted free agent we may not get the compensation we deserve.

 

[IDGAF]

Got much rain there mate?

LMAO ... unbelievable

 

[nobulltiger]

It's called mental motivation!! He's staying!

 

[IDGAF]

Ticker on-field is un-questionable... anyone that says otherwise is plain stupid....

So if i dont agree with you i'm stupid am i ?

LMAO ... straight to the mensa institute of debating school ... always top points for throwing in insults

Let me tell you a story .

Terry Wallace came to Punt rd. with a fkucwit-proof game plan that revolved around drafting supposedly highly skilled fleet footed outside mids that would run the ball from one end of the ground to the other without an opposition player touching it , we were bound for glory and Wallace an Miller were sooooo "cutting edge"

We all know how that turned out .

What Wallace didnt see was the evolution of the game going the other way . Clarkson won a flag by inovation and "the zone" .. The game changed quickly and became a contest of close checking , high pressure , cool heads in traffic , strength in the contest . Players have to think in a milli second and give it off with accuracy . The game is now played in tight . Nowhere to hide anymore .

Which leads me to Deledio . No doubt he is a very , very good footballer . Unquestionable . But is he the modern day player in the mould of a Dane Swan or a Pendlebury ? I see it in Cotchin and Martin but not Deledio .

If i was managing the list the top coin goes to your best contested ball players , unquestionable , they are where the game is won or lost . Deledio just is not that sort of player ... hence ... purely from a list management point of view , i would not be committing to a 3-4 year deal , which Brett would be clearly after .. in the vicinity of 3-3.5 mill ... and clearly the football dept. agrees hence that sort of offer is not being put straight on the table

If this is what he is after then there is no way known a team in the "premiership window" is going to get him in their salary cap ... no way known , which means he will for all intents and purposes he would end up at a GWS or the like which IMHO would make him a hypocrite (all hypotheical) .

To tie him up on the sort of 4 year deal in the vicinity of 7-800 k a year would really hamstring us going forward in negotiating with the rest of the list . i have been around long enough to see what happens when you have the likes of Daffy and Gaspar on debilitating long term contracts with huge bucks .

... and too finish , it goes both ways as well , should Brett decide to leave it would leave us with massive room in our cap to go after similar players of Deledios ilk once free agency comes in . So i for one , would not be crying a river.

I apologise for my stupidity

 

[IDGAF]

At the start of the 2010 season Brett was our best player , now just 2 seasons on he is arguably our 4th best , beyond Martin , Reiwoldt and Cotchin , no particular order . As the seasons go by he is likely to slip down the pecking order , including by the end of this season, when his current contract expires .
The duration of his next contract is likely to be 3 years or better , by the final year of that contract he may not be in our top 10 players .
It will be near on impossible for the club to have the current 3 players in front of lids on over $600, and have the cap space to pay the younger players coming thru, whose values are only going to rise , far less those who may past him in the next 4 years .
The clubs offer needs to , and I'm sure will , take into account where he currently sits in the pecking order and more importantly where he will sit by the end of his contract .

This sits nicely on the back of what i'm saying

 

[SunshineBoy]

So if i dont agree with you i'm stupid am i ?

LMAO ... straight to the mensa institute of debating school ... always top points for throwing in insults

Let me tell you a story .

Terry Wallace came to Punt rd. with a fkucwit-proof game plan that revolved around drafting supposedly highly skilled fleet footed outside mids that would run the ball from one end of the ground to the other without an opposition player touching it , we were bound for glory and Wallace an Miller were sooooo "cutting edge"

We all know how that turned out .

What Wallace didnt see was the evolution of the game going the other way . Clarkson won a flag by inovation and "the zone" .. The game changed quickly and became a contest of close checking , high pressure , cool heads in traffic , strength in the contest . Players have to think in a milli second and give it off with accuracy . The game is now played in tight . Nowhere to hide anymore .

Which leads me to Deledio . No doubt he is a very , very good footballer . Unquestionable . But is he the modern day player in the mould of a Dane Swan or a Pendlebury ? I see it in Cotchin and Martin but not Deledio .

If i was managing the list the top coin goes to your best contested ball players , unquestionable , they are where the game is won or lost . Deledio just is not that sort of player ... hence ... purely from a list management point of view , i would not be committing to a 3-4 year deal , which Brett would be clearly after .. in the vicinity of 3-3.5 mill ... and clearly the football dept. agrees hence that sort of offer is not being put straight on the table

If this is what he is after then there is no way known a team in the "premiership window" is going to get him in their salary cap ... no way known , which means he will for all intents and purposes he would end up at a GWS or the like which IMHO would make him a hypocrite (all hypotheical) .

To tie him up on the sort of 4 year deal in the vicinity of 7-800 k a year would really hamstring us going forward in negotiating with the rest of the list . i have been around long enough to see what happens when you have the likes of Daffy and Gaspar on debilitating long term contracts with huge bucks .

... and too finish , it goes both ways as well , should Brett decide to leave it would leave us with massive room in our cap to go after similar players of Deledios ilk once free agency comes in . So i for one , would not be crying a river.

I apologise for my stupidity

clearly you don't understand the importance of daffy and gaspar to the RFC, I mean why else were we still paying both of them long after retirement?

Darren even went as far as saying stick it wen he was asked to play in the seconds in order to get development in the kids.

iddy shame nod I thought you as knowledgeable whilst I expect lids to stay, if it means mortgaging the future I'm with you.

these player are starting to sound like epl players, let's face it rio Ferdinand needed a raise fro 130 ,000 a week to 175,000 because he couldn't afford to grocery shop.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

LMAO ... unbelievable

Just to confirm... unbelievable amount of rain? Or was the question unbelievable?

 

[Spluff]

the top coin goes to your best contested ball players , unquestionable , they are where the game is won or lost . Deledio just is not that sort of player

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Deledio lead the league in contested posessions last time he played in the midfield?

 

[IDGAF]

Just to confirm... unbelievable amount of rain? Or was the question unbelievable?

unbelievable amount of rain DD

 

[IDGAF]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Deledio lead the league in contested posessions last time he played in the midfield?

Not sure about stats , not a huge believer in them , they dont always paint the true picture .

After years of watching him though i have seen him avoid the contest

Lets see how he goes this year and weigh it up . If they play him through the guts more which i hope is the intention we'll know a lot more in 8 months .