Brett Deledio's Tiger deal on hold

[Tas]

hmm my understanding is a club could offer deledio 800k a season and he decides to go. we then have the opportunity to match it and he stays. with this i take it the afl gives us draft picks to compensate us if we cant match the offer.how the worth of those picks is worked out is beyond me.

this does not mean we get to keep him though. being uncontracted means he can nominate a club like say judd did with carlton and we take whats on offer like wce did, or risk him going into the nd or psd and get nothing for him.

restricted free agaency protects the clubs to a degree. it means your top players in their prime cant be just snaffled up willy nilly.
free agency itself means players at around the age of 28plus can leave a club in an attempt to say play finals or earn some better money to set themselves up.

thats my take on it.

The problem is the club doesn't know it is coming to what extent, the player who wants to the leave and the club he wants to go to have a significant advantage.

Say for example, he wants to go to Geelong. Say Cats have 750k cap space after retirements and they have about $1m worth of existing player contracts to re-sign. They could back load existing players to say 250k/750k for their two year deals and wait until the last minute and say we offer Deledio $1.5m on a 1 year contract.

If Richmond match it he becomes insanely over-paid and becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2013. If it is not matched then he goes to the club and renegotiates a longer term deal.

How do you try and safeguard a player from an ambush like that?

Also, if you take other players via free agency, it will diminish the compensation you would receive for him going. The compensation will be the net of incoming and outgoing players according to some crap formula they will devise.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Still maintain the same view , just a little toned down .

Still maintain his ticker is questionable and i dont think i'm shying away from that , just being a little more restrained

So iddy, lets say he has a real breakout year this year, and has Judd like influence on games. What's he worth then?

Lets even assume thats the kind of year he is striving for, and actually has no intention of playing anywhere other than Tigerland.

Does he not deserve the simple choice of allowing his contract to run its course, and then have his worth reassessed?

On the flip side, he'll know full well that an ordinary season will likely cost him.

Why do we even have a thread questioning the bloke? He hasn't come out and said anything? A media person simply poses a question to his manager and all of a sudden he should be jumping up signing a new contract.

Funny really. Sad, but funny

 

[IDGAF]

There is something about the guy, there's no doubt about it. I just can't put my finger on it.

Tend to agree

Put it this way , if Martin or Cotchin left i would be dead set gutted ...Deledio ? i'd move on pretty quickly

 

[IDGAF]

So iddy, lets say he has a real breakout year this year, and has Judd like influence on games. What's he worth then?

Lets even assume thats the kind of year he is striving for, and actually has no intention of playing anywhere other than Tigerland.

Does he not deserve the simple choice of allowing his contract to run its course, and then have his worth reassessed?

On the flip side, he'll know full well that an ordinary season will likely cost him.

Why do we even have a thread questioning the bloke? He hasn't come out and said anything? A media person simply poses a question to his manager and all of a sudden he should be jumping up signing a new contract.

Funny really. Sad, but funny

Ifs , buts and maybes

I said in an earlier post that he is being canny letting this year run its course and then seeing what happens , good for him , not so good for the RFC .

In a way im not questioning him at all , just saying i would not be mortgaging the Punt rd. stand to keep him , based purely on my own personal opinion of him as a footballer

 

[johnno77]

Is anyone able to confirm Barry's understanding?

You have to nominate your intention to use a compensation on a certain date before the season even begins. If the Tigers want to use the comp pick they scored from Port, they must nominate in the next month or so (which they've already indicated they plan to).

Anyone who gets compo picks in this years trade period cannot use them in this years so called super draft. I think they're just comparing it to the last couple of drafts.

 

[Vitriol]

He isn't going anywhere so why worry?

 

[_RT_]

You have to nominate your intention to use a compensation on a certain date before the season even begins. If the Tigers want to use the comp pick they scored from Port, they must nominate in the next month or so (which they've already indicated they plan to).

Anyone who gets compo picks in this years trade period cannot use them in this years so called super draft. I think they're just comparing it to the last couple of drafts.

If you pick up a compo pick during the trade period at the end of the season you are able to nominate to use that around the same time as the first list lodgement. I remember this because people were wondering whether the Dees would use one of the their Scully picks heading into the ND last year.

 

[partycorolla]

You have to nominate your intention to use a compensation on a certain date before the season even begins. If the Tigers want to use the comp pick they scored from Port, they must nominate in the next month or so (which they've already indicated they plan to).

Anyone who gets compo picks in this years trade period cannot use them in this years so called super draft. I think they're just comparing it to the last couple of drafts.

Second part is incorrect...

 

[partycorolla]

Still maintain the same view , just a little toned down .

Still maintain his ticker is questionable and i dont think i'm shying away from that , just being a little more restrained

Ticker on-field is un-questionable... anyone that says otherwise is plain stupid. What is the net result of 8 years at a (let's not deny it) shit club... wait and see. For me, I think it's his management is doing what player managers a paid to do...

I think he is the one of our guns we could most afford to lose (especially given we will get decent compensation).... but he is also the potential match winner if we get into a finals berth in 2013 and beyond (hopefully this year). Love to keep him.... if we lose him then as I have already stated, it will because we decided we could afford to let him go. Make no mistake... Lids will be at RFC if we want him there...

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Ifs , buts and maybes

I said in an earlier post that he is being canny letting this year run its course and then seeing what happens , good for him , not so good for the RFC .

In a way im not questioning him at all , just saying i would not be mortgaging the Punt rd. stand to keep him , based purely on my own personal opinion of him as a footballer

Fair enough. Mind you... if, buts, maybes = why this thread exists.

Got much rain there mate?

 

[johnno77]

Second part is incorrect...

I stand corrected then. Another compromised draft awaits...

 

[Tigerbob]

He isn't going anywhere so why worry?

This.

Relax he is staying. Deledio will be a Tiger for life.

 

[partycorolla]

I stand corrected then. Another compromised draft awaits...

Yeah but not as bad as previous.... just means many clubs will cash in compo picks in reported 'super draft'...

 

[theflea]

The problem is the club doesn't know it is coming to what extent, the player who wants to the leave and the club he wants to go to have a significant advantage.

Say for example, he wants to go to Geelong. Say Cats have 750k cap space after retirements and they have about $1m worth of existing player contracts to re-sign. They could back load existing players to say 250k/750k for their two year deals and wait until the last minute and say we offer Deledio $1.5m on a 1 year contract.

If Richmond match it he becomes insanely over-paid and becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2013. If it is not matched then he goes to the club and renegotiates a longer term deal.

How do you try and safeguard a player from an ambush like that?

Also, if you take other players via free agency, it will diminish the compensation you would receive for him going. The compensation will be the net of incoming and outgoing players according to some crap formula they will devise.

tas the retirements are this year so its moot. there is about 400k spare from 95% to 100% this year. so even if a team had the 400k spare they would have to pony up the 1.1m with other player retirements/delistings. thats about 5 or 6 player right there. its just too much. the cba negotiations probably came at the right time for clubs with the min 95% in the cap, plus the vets list has changed as well. also i think i read that the player that does go in fa, the new club cannot renegotiate that deal.im just using this as an example.

 

[David3030]

Deledio could argue that he is not getting games based on discrimination due to his upcoming contract status, which would be entirely what should happen in your view.

It's blackmail really your proposal, and is a criminal offence.

A couple of points troll;

By the time a blackmail case got to court, remember blackmail is a criminal matter and therefore would not be expedited, his contract would either be up and he is re-signed or has joined another club and we have received compensation.

His contract situation falls under employment law. All AFL player sign a standard AFL players contract. There is nothing in the contract terms stating he has to be played by the club in the seniors. The only way Lids would win a case under your scenario is if its specifically stated he must play every week when available in the seniors when fit. If his contract stated he must be played in the seniors every week, every player manager would demand the same term for their client, remember there are only 22 spots available each week.

 

[Infamy]

Does anyone even know if we've started initiating contract talks with Lids yet? Is there anything in front of him to sign? I doubt many, if anyone on here would know.

Given we look to move him into the midfield this year both parties may be waiting to see how he goes before coming up with a contract offer. It could be used as motivation for Lids to star in the midfield and earn a big payrise.

 

[deliberate!!]

This.

Relax he is staying. Deledio will be a Tiger for life.

That's what Geelong thought about Ablett and Melbourne thought about Scully.

 

[deliberate!!]

That's not really how it works mate. You can't huff and puff and say "sign now or you won't play all year". Players and clubs are entitled to put off contract talks. It's Lids' manager doing what he is payed to do. Get the best price for his client (and the most commission for himself).

No ones going to boo him because he hasn't signed yet. If they do then they are ********s. You have to understand football is a business, and at the end of the day players feed their families from this business, it's their job. I believe Lids will stay, but I think he will do the smart thing for himself and milk as many dollars as he can. I also think that us making the finals is important too. If we have a disaster year he might seek a game elsewhere, but if we are tracking along nicely I can't see why he'd leave.

Yes, you can. We are paying his wage. Stop living in Dream Land. We can pay his wage for a year and send him to Bali for the year if we want to. We promised him a wage. Not a game of football.

Mate, if he holds out past about Round 4, then I'll be booing. You'll hear me. Come discuss it with me.

Psst....I don't care about Lids family or who he has to feed because my Membership money could be feeding my family.

I'm thinking about the club. Stop thinking for individuals.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Wow this thread really has turned into complete madness all because 1 journo has speculated that his manager may be prepared to hold off contract talks.
Can't believe some of the shit I'm readingin here, seriously going to boo him if he hasn't signed by round 4?
Wouldn't give a shit if somebody belted you for doing so, ****ing moron.

 

[tigerdan]

Deledio could argue that he is not getting games based on discrimination due to his upcoming contract status, which would be entirely what should happen in your view.

It's blackmail really your proposal, and is a criminal offence.

A couple of points troll;

By the time a blackmail case got to court, remember blackmail is a criminal matter and therefore would not be expedited, his contract would either be up and he is re-signed or has joined another club and we have received compensation.

His contract situation falls under employment law. All AFL player sign a standard AFL players contract. There is nothing in the contract terms stating he has to be played by the club in the seniors. The only way Lids would win a case under your scenario is if its specifically stated he must play every week when available in the seniors when fit. If his contract stated he must be played in the seniors every week, every player manager would demand the same term for their client, remember there are only 22 spots available each week.

Ha ha...

David3030 - 1
Bush lawyer - 0

Anyway, all this angst about if he goes or not is kind of misplaced.

His manager is doing his job, and that is to get the best $$ for his client.

And if he does walk, well suddenly that $$$ that we were going to pay him can be spent on someone else as a free agent.

We might see a game of musical chairs if that happens, and it might end up win/win so let's not start crying over milk that hasn't even been spilt yet.

 

[Bojangles17]

Don't scully us around Lids

I respect the position Lids finds himself, he has endured plenty and in a team sport , ffs it should be natural to crave some team success in a career. That said...The RFC is within its rights to put the club first through this ordeal and avoid the reputational damage the Melbourne FC went through when that precocious brat in scully strung the club along, the whole time knowing full well where he was gonna be. The RFC should set a deadline for a decision either way, the challenge will be if it swings the wrong way, where do we send him, SACK him and say cyu during trade week or continue as we were or simply demote to Coburg. Whatever the case, we should learn from what MFC went through and stand tall through this...there's no good reason we should feel like we've just woken in the gutter with a sore backside after this ordeal, we should take the bull by the horns

 

[vinum coupe]

The problem is the club doesn't know it is coming to what extent, the player who wants to the leave and the club he wants to go to have a significant advantage.

Say for example, he wants to go to Geelong. Say Cats have 750k cap space after retirements and they have about $1m worth of existing player contracts to re-sign. They could back load existing players to say 250k/750k for their two year deals and wait until the last minute and say we offer Deledio $1.5m on a 1 year contract.

If Richmond match it he becomes insanely over-paid and becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2013. If it is not matched then he goes to the club and renegotiates a longer term deal.

How do you try and safeguard a player from an ambush like that?

Also, if you take other players via free agency, it will diminish the compensation you would receive for him going. The compensation will be the net of incoming and outgoing players according to some crap formula they will devise.

Come on mate, you're smarter than that.
Any offer that Richmond is required to match goes via the AFL.

It's not like someone can offer a sneaky one year deal for 1.5mil and suddenly change the contract during the first year to a 3 year 1.8mil contract.

It's draft tampering.

If someone offers 1.5mil they will be forced to pay it.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Yes, you can. We are paying his wage. Stop living in Dream Land. We can pay his wage for a year and send him to Bali for the year if we want to. We promised him a wage. Not a game of football.

Mate, if he holds out past about Round 4, then I'll be booing. You'll hear me. Come discuss it with me.

Psst....I don't care about Lids family or who he has to feed because my Membership money could be feeding my family.

I'm thinking about the club. Stop thinking for individuals.

Do you boo every player who doesn't re-sign a new contract before it nears it's end? HUN-1 Delib-0

 

[SunshineBoy]

Come on mate, you're smarter than that.
Any offer that Richmond is required to match goes via the AFL.

It's not like someone can offer a sneaky one year deal for 1.5mil and suddenly change the contract during the first year to a 3 year 1.8mil contract.

It's draft tampering.

If someone offers 1.5mil they will be forced to pay it.

Get your Hand off it mate, Chriss Judd says hi, as if the AFL are likely to let something like this come out if it suits their outcome,


The fairys at the bottom of the Garden are calling you.

GAJ was signed sealed and delivered, what was Vlads quote again when he was asked about it?

 

[Goldust]

Re: Don't scully us around Lids

I respect the position Lids finds himself, he has endured plenty and in a team support , ffs it shoudl be natural to crave some team success in a career. That said...The RFC is within its rights to put the club first through this ordeal and avoid the reputational damage the Melbourne FC went through when that precocious brat in scully strung the club along, the whole time knowing full well where he was gonna be. The RFC should set a deadline for a decision either way, the challenge will be if ti swings the wrong way, where do we send him, SACK him and say cyu during trade week, continue as we were or simply demote to Coburg. Whatever the case, we should learn from what MFC went through and stand tall through this...there's no good reason we should feel like we've just woken in the gutter with a sore backside after this ordeal, we should take the bull by the horns

Good in theory, though not practical. I'm sure if Lids were to announce he was leaving mid-year, we'd still play him anyway in an attempt to win games and also raise his currency. Happens in rugby league ...players announce they are leaving but still play. We can ill-afford to have star players out of the team!