Toast #BringBackTheBars - Our Heritage, Our History, Our Right! Part 2

[malcheski]

Gil stepping down at the end of the year. You can bet your bottom dollar the can will be kicked down the road far enough for it not to be his problem anymore and we will need to start all over with the new league CEO.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

An opportunity was lost on Thursday night. Maybe the club didn't want it, maybe people at the club aren't on the ball.

I wrote in the game day thread that Gupta was at the game and went out to the middle with the footy and was introduced to the crowd put the ball in the centre circle, but looked like he wanted to have a kick and a catch with someone.

I wrote in that post ( and have a couple of other times on here) that Gupta likes wearing waistcoats and that we should have given him a PB lace up jumper to wear as his waistcoat.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

An opportunity was lost on Thursday night. Maybe the club didn't want it, maybe people at the club aren't on the ball.

I wrote in the game day thread that Gupta was at the game and went out to the middle with the footy and was introduced to the crowd put the ball in the centre circle, but looked like he wanted to have a kick and a catch with someone.

I wrote in that post ( and have a couple of other times on here) that Gupta likes wearing waistcoats and that we should have given him a PB lace up jumper to wear as his waistcoat.

That would require

a. Someone at the board level thinking it is important enough
b. some creative thinking
c. some balls

We don't seem to have any of these with our President or CEO]

There have been hundreds of opportunities to do something, none of them have been done.

 

[VineValerian]

Gil stepping down at the end of the year. You can bet your bottom dollar the can will be kicked down the road far enough for it not to be his problem anymore and we will need to start all over with the new league CEO.

That would be Eddie

 

[malcheski]

That would be Eddie

Not a chance Eddie will be CEO. The AFL, like Port, promote form within so Travis Auld is a very safe bet.

That being said, Eddie will find his way on to the commission.

 

[VineValerian]

Not a chance Eddie will be CEO. The AFL, like Port, promote form within so Travis Auld is a very safe bet.

That being said, Eddie will find his way on to the commission.

Yeah probably.
Won't make a squig of difference to getting to wear the bars

 

[Steve Dore]

That would be Eddie

Why would Eddie take a demotion?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Not a chance Eddie will be CEO. The AFL, like Port, promote form within so Travis Auld is a very safe bet.

That being said, Eddie will find his way on to the commission.

As I wrote in the general AFL thread, McGuire doesnt want the AFL CEOs job that only pays $1.5mil a year. He gets more that that from his TV gigs which he would have to give up and also his job at Jam TV that he owns.

He really would like to get on the Commission, then become chair, implement his big ideas strategies and get the lackies at the AFL do the grunt work to implement them.

 

[Andre]

Our home Showdown is RD 23. There's nothing that can be said right now about it, even if the decision has been made one way or another.

If the decision had been made that we could wear it, then the club would have been out telling us all, to distract from the Hinkley pile on. No news is continued bad news.

 

[PowerBaz]

As I wrote in the general AFL thread, McGuire doesnt want the AFL CEOs job that only pays $1.5mil a year. He gets more that that from his TV gigs which he would have to give up and also his job at Jam TV that he owns.

He really would like to get on the Commission, then become chair, implement his big ideas strategies and get the lackies at the AFL do the grunt work to implement them.

if he gets on the commission, /end thread.

 

[VineValerian]

Gil the Dill is dead and buried.
Can we hope that he takes Hamish with him?

Get into Gil's ear quietly and surreptitiously, before the new replacement comes on board, or else it's game over.

If he thinks he can acede to our request and not cop any flack because he's nearly out the door, it may be our ONE LAST CHANCE to get this baby home

 

[El_Scorcho]

Gil the Dill is dead and buried.
Can we hope that he takes Hamish with him?

Get into Gil's ear quietly and surreptitiously, before the new replacement comes on board, or else it's game over.

If he thinks he can acede to our request and not cop any flack because he's nearly out the door, it may be our ONE LAST CHANCE to get this baby home

This is absolutely what a strong club would be doing, pushing Gil to get this done. It's like the US president pardoning convicted felons in the last days of their tenure. Do the right thing even if it would have hurt you politically because it no longer matters.

 

[Andre]

This is absolutely what a strong club would be doing, pushing Gil to get this done. It's like the US president pardoning convicted felons in the last days of their tenure. Do the right thing even if it would have hurt you politically because it no longer matters.

This is Gil. He's more likely to say the AFL has decided we'll never be allowed to wear it again under any circumstances, because Victoria.

 

[Alex09]

The most ardent fans are still waving teal flags and floggers at games. There is not enough pressure on the AFL to change a thing when the public optics remain like that. Felt like there was a groundswell for awhile and that would have changed..but it hasn't yet. Kochie et al isn't the biggest problem. To quote a great man "you get what you deserve" and if you make and wave teal flags and floggers behind the goals every week then you are going to get a teal jumper and no prison bars. It's that simple. These aren't happy clappers buying their teal merch at best and less for the kids either..this is grown ass adults that I assume are rusted-on port fans going to the effort of making teal shit and showing passive compliance to the AFL's whim.

 

[El_Scorcho]

The most ardent fans are still waving teal flags and floggers at games. There is not enough pressure on the AFL to change a thing when the public optics remain like that. Felt like there was a groundswell for awhile and that would have changed..but it hasn't yet. Kochie et al isn't the biggest problem. To quote a great man "you get what you deserve" and if you make and wave teal flags and floggers behind the goals every week then you are going to get a teal jumper and no prison bars. It's that simple. These aren't happy clappers buying their teal merch at best and less for the kids either..this is grown ass adults that I assume are rusted-on port fans going to the effort of making teal shit and showing passive compliance to the AFL's whim.

Cheer squads follow the directions the club gives them. Teal behind the goals and in the banner is 100% enforced by the club.

 

[Alex09]

Cheer squads follow the directions the club gives them. Teal behind the goals and in the banner is 100% enforced by the club.

Then the club doesn't want it, it's sabotaging it from within completely. That's depressing.

 

[PA88]

I'm worried that the club has conceded.

 

[Alex09]

I'm worried that the club has conceded.

If what El_Scorcho said is correct then the whole effort from the club is a self sabotaging wet lettuce leaf PR exercise that is never going to amount to jack shit.

 

[El_Scorcho]

If what El_Scorcho said is correct then the whole effort from the club is a self sabotaging wet lettuce leaf PR exercise that is never going to amount to jack shit.

There are PB flags behind the goals every week as well, but if the cheer squad made a concerted effort to elimate teal, the AFL would tap the club on the shoulder and the club, as we've seen clearly, would fold faster than the flash on laundry day.

 

[PA88]

If what El_Scorcho said is correct then the whole effort from the club is a self sabotaging wet lettuce leaf PR exercise that is never going to amount to jack shit.

Aside from the showdowns, they don't know what they want. They do a campaign but everything else remains unchanged. They = club personnel or former personnel that don the pb for the cause and upload a pic but in conversations quickly remind you about how teal and the v jumper is loved.

 

[Sleezy]

There are PB flags behind the goals every week as well, but if the cheer squad made a concerted effort to elimate teal, the AFL would tap the club on the shoulder and the club, as we've seen clearly, would fold faster than the flash on laundry day.

Lol tribey, scorch is encroaching on your 'pithy simile' turf. Are you gonna let this stand unchallenged?

 

[Interstater]

I've been prevented from posting on Collingwood's prison bars thread because I posted this from an article by the mongrel punt (which has now been deleted).

I guess the truth hurts.

How did all this unpleasantness surrounding the prison bars start anyway? Like many parts of Port Adelaide’s AFL story, it can be traced back to 1990 and the club’s unsuccessful AFL bid. At the time, the SANFL and its clubs were lobbying AFL clubs to vote against accepting Port Adelaide into the AFL for season 1991, as prior to 1993 the AFL clubs effectively governed the league, not the AFL Commission. Then SANFL President Max Basheer was successfully able to con then-Collingwood President Allan McAlister over the phone into believing that Port Adelaide will always wear its prison bars jumper, even for away games against Collingwood.

Max Basheer recounted the conversation in 2017 on FIVEaa.

“This business of Port Adelaide, it’s not fair to Collingwood that they’re going to use black and white and that they won’t agree to an away strip…”

“Over my dead body!” was McAlister’s response.

However, Port Adelaide, who believed it was one vote short of securing a 75 per cent majority of AFL clubs, was unable to clear up the misinformation fed to Collingwood. This was because a legal injunction carried out against it by Glenelg, Norwood and the SANFL prevented the club from speaking to the AFL or any of its clubs.

Moreover, when Port Adelaide was successfully awarded the second South Australian based AFL license in 1994, it agreed to adopt a new set of guernesy designs as well as new colours and a new nickname. However, there was a twist, and it came in the form of Collingwood President Allan McAlister’s letter to then Port Adelaide President Greg Boulton dated 1 September 1995.

“We at Collingwood are most grateful for Port Adelaide accepting it should enter the AFL with a change from its black-and-white colours and Magpie name which we hold dear to our hearts at Collingwood.

I will reiterate to our board that if the Port Adelaide Football Club should succeed at ranking higher than the Collingwood Football Club for three consecutive years in the AFL then our objections will be waived.”

Port Adelaide ranked higher than Collingwood on its first five consecutive years in the AFL from 1997 to 2001. Meaning, Collingwood did not honour its agreement, and the prison bars remains as decisive an issue as it ever has been. But what hope do Port Adelaide have when Eddie powers over the AFL?

 

[Steve Dore]

The most ardent fans are still waving teal flags and floggers at games. ....

Brisbane Lions supporter displaying a PAMFC logo, seems legit.

 

[Grave Danger]

Brisbane Lions supporter displaying a PAMFC logo, seems legit.

False flag operation.

 

[glitch01]

I've said all along that the Club aren't pushing this agenda hard at all.
All we keep hearing is "we're in discussions' and "The AFL currently has more pressing issues".
We've had numerous occasions where the Club could have made a stand or statement but haven't.
They had the issue in the news when they wore them after winning our match. Rather than pressing the issue we again get the "we're in discussions" line again.

If the Club truly wanted to wear the PBs then it would make a public issue of it - public opinion and open discussion by the media would eventually help force a decision.
Keeping it behind closed doors means the Club can basically mouth a few platitudes and wait for the issue to go away.

Even on here you can see supporters that were hardline PB supporters eventually wilt and suggest different colours etc.

I'm pretty much resigned to the fact it won't happen anytime soon.