Brisbane face another big loss

[kimp]

Thats cheap, but probably an isolated case as the Lions recieve a huge amount of $$ from memberships for a team with one of the lowest membership tallies in the league, expensive reserved seats would be the main contributer to that.

No the $8 a head for families package (depending on size of family of course) is available every game. The $45 tickets are the premium seats. You can buy $20 tickets for every game.

 

[magpie_militia]

Maybe they should relocate?

 

[Hicham]

Gold Coast Lions

 

[Le KooK]

Did you read the full promotion?

Thats the cost of a family membership averaged out per person over the entire season.

Evidently in your haste to rebuke me you failed to read the 'full promotion', because the family ticket packages I speak of have absolutely nothing to do with your dribble regarding family memberships being 'averaged out' per person over the entire season.

If you were trying to dispute possum's ticket price statement, you failed.

I do dispute possum's ticket price statement, firstly because it is absurd to compare 'high-end' Brisbane Lions tickets to dubiously priced 'cheap seats' at the Broncos, and secondly because it is a fallacy to imply that the Lions are pricing themselves out of the Brisbane sporting market with comparatively higher ticket prices - they are not.

 

[stickman11]

Next team inline for AFL handouts.

 

[tigerjungle]

If their reasons aren't valid, stuff them. Every team goes through a rebuilding phase. Our team was old, and our only choice was the play the young guys. Some things are inevitable. Why would we placate bandwagoners?

I think the real issue with a fall off in members is that QLD is still at heart a RL state. Despite the success of the Lions people are not indoctrinated with AFL. It will take decades if ever to get a much larger supporter base unlike the southern states where kids are introduced very early to AFL.

The Lions success has produced quite incredible results. I live near a town called Palmwoods on the Sunshine Coast. Every Thursday evening I drive along a road between an AFL ground and a RL ground. Just as many kids are playing AFL as RL which is fantastic and this can be attributed to the Auskick program and the Lions success.


We still have someway to go and now is the time for the AFL to really push the game up here. The Lions success did that for them previously. Now the AFL needs to capitalise.

 

[Hawkk]

Gold Coast Lions

Pay that

 

[BBFFC]

I think the real issue with a fall off in members is that QLD is still at heart a RL state. Despite the success of the Lions people are not indoctrinated with AFL. It will take decades if ever to get a much larger supporter base unlike the southern states where kids are introduced very early to AFL.

The Lions success has produced quite incredible results. I live near a town called Palmwoods on the Sunshine Coast. Every Thursday evening I drive along a road between an AFL ground and a RL ground. Just as many kids are playing AFL as RL which is fantastic and this can be attributed to the Auskick program and the Lions success.


We still have someway to go and now is the time for the AFL to really push the game up here. The Lions success did that for them previously. Now the AFL needs to capitalise.

Completely agree.

 

[FuManchu]

Brisbane crowds are falling

Even though it was a melbourne 'home' game, you'd think that brisbane coming off an upset win in the west would have drawn more than 22 000.

Even the Collingwood game surprised me that there were plenty of empty seats.

What are the ramifications of a dwindling active supporter base for Brisbane?

 

[Father Jack]

Re: Brisbane crowds are falling

Even though it was a melbourne 'home' game, you'd think that brisbane coming off an upset win in the west would have drawn more than 22 000.

Even the Collingwood game surprised me that there were plenty of empty seats.

What are the ramifications of a dwindling active supporter base for Brisbane?

There is a rather substantial thread floating around somewhere about this.

 

[FuManchu]

Re: Brisbane crowds are falling

There is a rather substantial thread floating around somewhere about this.

Havent seen it obviously, but I'll look

 

[Ricardo]

Re: Brisbane crowds are falling

^^ Yeah.....bandwagon affect really, their membership has dropped off but their crowds haven't been terrible.

 

[Father Jack]

Re: Brisbane crowds are falling

Havent seen it obviously, but I'll look

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347633

it was a few pages back actually, I thought I was it a little bit more recent than this.

 

[Sherrinator]

Re: Brisbane crowds are falling

Even though it was a melbourne 'home' game, you'd think that brisbane coming off an upset win in the west would have drawn more than 22 000.

Even the Collingwood game surprised me that there were plenty of empty seats.

What are the ramifications of a dwindling active supporter base for Brisbane?

Due to Lions sucking and QLD rugby teams doing well, it was easily forseen this drop. You must realize, people from Queensland are horribly fickle, for eg. Lions crowd avergae would be higher than the Bronco's if they didn't have the Queensland derby games. If a team plays poorly the people aka the bandwagon jump off. It's in the QLD psyche.

 

[RUNVS]

Brisbane Lions crowds may be poor but they are still better than the Brisbane Broncos.

 

[Sherrinator]

Brisbane Lions crowds may be poor but they are still better than the Brisbane Broncos.

Don't say that. Footy fan Le Kook will be back! The lions have had better average crowds than the broncos IF you discount the sellout derbies between Gold Coast and N QLD.

 

[Helix]

A significant part of the Lions' cash problems relates to the back-ending of several big-name player contracts, including Michael Voss, Justin Leppitsch and Chris Scott.

"If we had our time again, a couple of years ago when we were raking in profits, we possibly would have liked to have accrued some of this year's player salaries into previous years," Bowers said.

ther'es your problem right there,giving big contracts to broken players

sounds like bad management.stop bleating

3 Premierships and another GF appearance. Yeah, big problem spending the money on those hacks.

 

[FuManchu]

3 Premierships and another GF appearance. Yeah, big problem spending the money on those hacks.

Thats fine, you take the wins but you cant complain when the consequences come later.

 

[Herbs]

Next team inline for AFL handouts.

I'd have thought this to be somewhat strange coming from a Demons fan considering their woes.....

 

[Helix]

Thats fine, you take the wins but you cant complain when the consequences come later.

And those will be what exactly? Or do you intend to leave the vague sweeping statement there so you can claim anything at all as your prediction later? Fact is, the consequences have been the last 2 years, and may run another 2 with player development lagging due to poor draft pick positions, but even with that we have drafted adequately.

So FuManchu, this is your chance to make your bold prediction for the future, what exactly do you suspect?

 

[||-GOB-||]

Brisbane Lions crowds may be poor but they are still better than the Brisbane Broncos.

I hope you're just shit stirring. The Broncos, even coming dead last for a good chunk of the season, are still averaging nearly 10,000 more than the Lions.

 

[FuManchu]

And those will be what exactly? Or do you intend to leave the vague sweeping statement there so you can claim anything at all as your prediction later? Fact is, the consequences have been the last 2 years, and may run another 2 with player development lagging due to poor draft pick positions, but even with that we have drafted adequately.

So FuManchu, this is your chance to make your bold prediction for the failure, what exactly do you suspect?

The consequences of back loading player contracts and paying top dollar to players that are well out of their prime, so that you could tie them up in when they were in their prime.

the consequences are that you are left with dead wood on your list, who are being paid top dollar, and not contributing. Probably resulting in not paying some what they may be worth due to heavy commitments to that dead wood. What are the effects on recruiting a big name player if the salary cap is being pressured because of this?

Your club made the choice at the end of 2003 to go for the 4th flag as most clubs would, but in doing so, took the gamble knowing that the list really needed addressing and one further year not addressing it would probably not only ensure the demise of the playing fortunes but possibly prolong the effects of staying towards the bottom longer than the normal rise and fall cycle is today (Richmond and carlton excepted).

 

[Grimreepah]

Thats fine, you take the wins but you cant complain when the consequences come later.

I agree with this and I don't think anyone is complaining. I don't know why the journalist included this bit of info because this is a list management issue, not a budgeting issue, so unless he's advocating that we pay under the salary cap, then I don't see how it is relevant.

 

[Helix]

The consequences of back loading player contracts and paying top dollar to players that are well out of their prime, so that you could tie them up in when they were in their prime.

the consequences are that you are left with dead wood on your list, who are being paid top dollar, and not contributing. Probably resulting in not paying some what they may be worth due to heavy commitments to that dead wood. What are the effects on recruiting a big name player if the salary cap is being pressured because of this?

Your club made the choice at the end of 2003 to go for the 4th flag as most clubs would, but in doing so, took the gamble knowing that the list really needed addressing and one further year not addressing it would probably not only ensure the demise of the playing fortunes but possibly prolong the effects of staying towards the bottom longer than the normal rise and fall cycle is today (Richmond and carlton excepted).

You think we are staying towards the bottom longer than the normal? We were in the GF in 2004, and are showing improvement this year, so i think you are premature in that call. What is the cycle in your opinion?

 

[FuManchu]

I agree with this and I don't think anyone is complaining. I don't know why the journalist included this bit of info because this is a list management issue, not a budgeting issue, so unless he's advocating that we pay under the salary cap, then I don't see how it is relevant.

but is has flow on effects to list management, recruitment of existing AFL players, salary cap pressures, non contributions of players still being paid due to various reasons. Budgeting/ players salaries issues do effect the on-field fortunes.