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Brisbane or Hawthorn, the Better Three-peat?
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Hawks would be rioli hodge mitchell lewis roughead birchall who survived from 2008, burgoyne whos got four premierships and the most finals behind tuck
Others are Lake, Hale, Gibson, Gunston as trades and Smith, Hill, Puopolo, Shiels and bruest as draftees
Others are Lake, Hale, Gibson, Gunston as trades and Smith, Hill, Puopolo, Shiels and bruest as draftees
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Brisbane, any day of the week.
even in 2004, they smashed the saints on the Gabba in the first final. no team outside the WCE got close to them there. none of this close stuff like what Hawthorn did in the Prelims. If they played a final at the Gabba, it was a flogging. the fact they then won finals in Sydney and Melbourne is just the icing on the cake. robbed of 2 home finals in 2004 by the MCC and a fairer shot at the 4th.
even in 2004, they smashed the saints on the Gabba in the first final. no team outside the WCE got close to them there. none of this close stuff like what Hawthorn did in the Prelims. If they played a final at the Gabba, it was a flogging. the fact they then won finals in Sydney and Melbourne is just the icing on the cake. robbed of 2 home finals in 2004 by the MCC and a fairer shot at the 4th.
Hell, wish the OP just included a bloody poll.
Would look like this:
10% Brisbane (Brisbane supporters)
65% Brisbane (Neutral supporters)
20% Hawthorn (Hawthorn supporters)
5% Hawthorn (Neutral supporter... pressed wrong option by accident)
Would look like this:
10% Brisbane (Brisbane supporters)
65% Brisbane (Neutral supporters)
20% Hawthorn (Hawthorn supporters)
5% Hawthorn (Neutral supporter... pressed wrong option by accident)
MaDEye23
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I'm happy with our 3peat. Who cares if people think its the worst one in history, its still a 3 peat. Some teams can't even win one.
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Jack Gun Cyril Stun
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Love these forums, filled with mainly envious Ess, Cats, Syd and WCE posters. I really wasn't aware of the level of hate we had but I guess the luckiest, worst and most accidental 3peat ever really has cut many deep.
For entertainment and a reminder of how lucky I've been to follow this club and witness not only 1 but 2 great dynasties I used to just pop in a DVD of times like when the fat man Stewie Dew went beserk in 08 or Hodgeys banana in the 1st 1/4 last year....now I just open another beer and read threads like these first as it makes all those replays all the more enjoyable.
hawkman
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Sydney were heavy favourites
Johnson is really only player from Fitzroy's list that did anything. Although the merge meant Brisbane got access to Brown which they wouldn't have had
Theres been plenty of other posts and polls, but feel free to appoint yourself the arbiter of what everyone thinks
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We have one as well. And it was better than yours.
It would be, because youre #anyonebuthawthorn
Jack Gun Cyril Stun
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Nup, I was alive for ours...well most of it I think anyway between the 5 day party, booze, hookers and replays.
The Old Dark Navy's
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Both great teams, along with the Cats. Not sure why anybody seeks to separate them.
Tell you what though ... the Hawks have done an absolute number on the psyche of a lot of BF posters over the last few years. So much hurt.
Tell you what though ... the Hawks have done an absolute number on the psyche of a lot of BF posters over the last few years. So much hurt.
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Brisbane Lions.....
Any objective analysis of the numbers says Hawthorn. Just look at the respective teams percentage (the best measure of how good a team is), looking at all 4 consecutive Grand Finals the respective two clubs played in.
Brisbane - 2001 127.6%
Brisbane - 2002 136.7%
Brisbane - 2003 121.9%
Brisbane - 2004 137.2%
Average percentage: 130.85%
Hawthorn 2012 154.6%
Hawthorn 2013 135.7%
Hawthorn 2014 140.8%
Hawthorn 2015 158.4%
Average percentage: 147.38
Hawthorn were clearly better over that four year era. It pains me to say it because I hate Hawthorn and like Brisbane, but Brisbane were never that good really. Just your standard run-of-the-mill excellent premiership team with a percentage of around 130-ish. Quite normal by premiership standards. There wasn't one year where Brisbane dominated the competition, and you though, "wow, this team is amazing." Port was just as good, if not better than Brisbane in all four of those years, with the possible exception of 2001.
Who was better than Hawthorn in their four years in any of those seasons? No one. Maybe Sydney in 2014 during the season. Maybe. But that's it. And even then you could argue both Hawthorn and Sydney were of the same quality in that year.
It's a bit of a stupid question, really. Brisbane never even finished on top of the ladder.
Brisbane - 2001 127.6%
Brisbane - 2002 136.7%
Brisbane - 2003 121.9%
Brisbane - 2004 137.2%
Average percentage: 130.85%
Hawthorn 2012 154.6%
Hawthorn 2013 135.7%
Hawthorn 2014 140.8%
Hawthorn 2015 158.4%
Average percentage: 147.38
Hawthorn were clearly better over that four year era. It pains me to say it because I hate Hawthorn and like Brisbane, but Brisbane were never that good really. Just your standard run-of-the-mill excellent premiership team with a percentage of around 130-ish. Quite normal by premiership standards. There wasn't one year where Brisbane dominated the competition, and you though, "wow, this team is amazing." Port was just as good, if not better than Brisbane in all four of those years, with the possible exception of 2001.
Who was better than Hawthorn in their four years in any of those seasons? No one. Maybe Sydney in 2014 during the season. Maybe. But that's it. And even then you could argue both Hawthorn and Sydney were of the same quality in that year.
It's a bit of a stupid question, really. Brisbane never even finished on top of the ladder.
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MaDEye23
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Congrats mate. Worst three peat is better than no three peat
You said 'Hawks poached there players Brisbane built their own team'.
So get your facts straight flog, pro merger. You should go follow Brisbane if your happy for your club to vote itself out of existence.
Well if you are going to use percentage, why not check the percentage against the best teams (i.e. in finals)? Brisbane were renowned for just aiming to stay healthy while making the top 4 and then backing themselves in the finals to win when it counts.
I've crunched the numbers for you
Brisbane Finals Percentage 2001-2004: 146%
Hawthorn Finals Percentage 2012-2015: 132%
So according to your method when it is time to walk the walk (Finals), Brisbane is comfortably ahead
Well if you are going to use percentage, why not check the percentage against the best teams (i.e. in finals)? Brisbane were renowned for just aiming to stay healthy while making the top 4 and then backing themselves in the finals to win when it counts.
I've crunched the numbers for you
Brisbane Finals Percentage 2001-2004: 146%
Hawthorn Finals Percentage 2012-2015: 132%
So according to your method when it is time to walk the walk (Finals), Brisbane is comfortably ahead
That's one way of looking at it. How about you crunch the numbers for the 4 grand finals then?
Brisbane Grand Final Percentage 2001-2004: 113.04%
Hawthorn Grand Final Percentage 2012-2015: 139.6%
Brisbane were not that good. Hawthorn was way better on virtually any measure. Anyone can see that, even a Hawks hater like me. Brisbane was nothing special (by premiership standards)
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Brisbane easily.
Hawks just cruised through and never were the favourites in any of thier premiership years. Will be forgotten about soon enough.
The fact that they had no star players speaks volumes. A good, solid team but no real stand-outs.
Hawks just cruised through and never were the favourites in any of thier premiership years. Will be forgotten about soon enough.
The fact that they had no star players speaks volumes. A good, solid team but no real stand-outs.
BulldogJake
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Stats will probably say Hawthorn but if the the two sides were to ever play each other Brisbane would of won comfortably. Better all round the ground. Lynch, Brown, Pike, Bradshaw up forward. Akermanis, Voss, Black, Power, Hart, Ashcroft, Lappin, Notting through the midfield, Mal Michael, Leppitsch, Scott Brothers, Johnson, White down back wow wee... I wish Hodge, Lewis, Rioli were as cocky or playing back then because they would have been put in there place very quickly
worst 3 peat EVER!
(so absurd it's laughable)
Brisbane didn't finish on top of the ladder once during their 3 peat, so were they favourites in their premiership years?
You say we are a good, solid team, but it's precisely this unselfishness (whereby players sacrifice their own game to play their role) that's the reason behind our success. With that said you could form a fair highlights reel from the likes of Rioli, Burgoyne, Franklin, Hodge over the last few years, so we're far from bland.
That's a terrible sample to take, as it doesn't include any home games for the Lions.
Unless you are seriously suggesting a team should have a better percentage for games away from home?
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That's true, Voss is better then Hodge, but Sam Mitchell is better then Simon Black.
Look at Mitchell during this 30's and how well he's played and compare it to Black during his 30's.
Mitchell will be the games 2nd highest Brownlow vote getter of all-time by seasons end and likely to win another best & fairest award.
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