Brisbane or Hawthorn, the Better Three-peat?

[HR Roughnstuf]

Oh... I get it now, it is school holidays. Mum and dad are letting you be a big boy and stay up past 9:00pm.

Little Hedgehodgy is only 13 and never saw Brisbane play, which is why his knowledge of football history is so poor. It also explains why his reading and grammar skills are at a 13yr old level.

Solid effort staying up until 1:29am little one, but don't burn yourself out... you might end up all fatigued and run out of legs like your team did on Friday night. By the way... brush up on your football knowledge if you want to join the big boy discussions. Run along now

I don't live in Australia you ignorant knob, it's called time zones.

And yeh, I care about my grammar on BigFooty.

 

[jezza1435]

Brisbane, better side.

Hawks better game plan/style?

 

[Davo23]

Brisbane: they had to beat Collingwood twice.

We all know how good Collingwood are in Grand Finals!

 

[Docker Alyssa]

Hawks were WAY better of a feat, considering hardships faced. But to that end Hawthorn were pretty lucky to get 2013 and even have a 3-peat on the books.

So it's with an addendum. Lions a more emphatic, impressive 3-peat! Especially beating Essendon 01!! Will go down better in history.

 

[Dan26]

That's a terrible sample to take, as it doesn't include any home games for the Lions.

Unless you are seriously suggesting a team should have a better percentage for games away from home?

Home, away, who cares. There is grass on the ground goal posts at either end. It shouldn't matter. The facts are, that if you take any objective look at the numbers Brisbane weren't that good (by normal premiership standards of course), and Hawthorn were far superior. Brisbane never finished on top of the ladder, never dominated a season, never had a percentage above 140% - not even in any one season from 2001-2-3-4.

I hate saying it, but Hawthorn was far better. We tend to overrate Brisbane's quality by virtue of the "number" of premierships instead of unemotionally looking at whether they were truly exceptional. And by premiership standards, they weren't that special in any of the seasons they won the flag. It doesn't matter of course because a premiership is still a premiership, but to compare Brisbane's quality in 2001-2-3-4 to Hawthorn's in 2012-13-14-15 is ridiculous. Hawthorn was far better. Far, far better.

 

[Dan26]

Hawks were WAY better of a feat, considering hardships faced. But to that end Hawthorn were pretty lucky to get 2013 and even have a 3-peat on the books.

So it's with an addendum. Lions a more emphatic, impressive 3-peat! Especially beating Essendon 01!! Will go down better in history.

Essendon was not much chop in the last third of the 2001 season. The Bombers were shot to bits, looking stale and lethargic and had injuries. From about round 17 onwards Essendon were total pretenders that year. Port in 2004 was easily the hardest opponent Brisbane faced in that 4-year-era and they got smashed by 40 points.

 

[passmark]

Brisbane, better players.

Hawks won three flags when the comp was at its weakest in 30 years.

 

[footy75]

This is a wonderful argument and both came s close to 4 peats...Brisbane not getting a home prelim when they should of and running out of legs in alst quarter... Isaac Smith missing goal..I reakon he kicks that they are going very close.

Lions such a tough uncompromising intimidating team with class through the midfield...what a team.
Hawks silky and polished with arguably the best foot skills we've seen.

I also rate Geelong very highly although they didn't/haven't 3 peated.

If i have to probably Brisbane.

 

[Mercy Seat]

Leigh Matthews and Michael Voss have both said the hawks were better so I'll go with them

 

[The 747]

Hawks better game plan/style?

Not to watch

 

[The 747]

Leigh Matthews and Michael Voss have both said the hawks were better so I'll go with them

Meh recency bias

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Home, away, who cares. There is grass on the ground goal posts at either end. It shouldn't matter. The facts are, that if you take any objective look at the numbers Brisbane weren't that good (by normal premiership standards of course), and Hawthorn were far superior. Brisbane never finished on top of the ladder, never dominated a season, never had a percentage above 140% - not even in any one season from 2001-2-3-4.

I hate saying it, but Hawthorn was far better. We tend to overrate Brisbane's quality by virtue of the "number" of premierships instead of unemotionally looking at whether they were truly exceptional. And by premiership standards, they weren't that special in any of the seasons they won the flag. It doesn't matter of course because a premiership is still a premiership, but to compare Brisbane's quality in 2001-2-3-4 to Hawthorn's in 2012-13-14-15 is ridiculous. Hawthorn was far better. Far, far better.

This isn't going to get many likes, Dan.....

Well, from anyone other than Hawk fans.

 

[Dom PC]

Home, away, who cares. There is grass on the ground goal posts at either end. It shouldn't matter. The facts are, that if you take any objective look at the numbers Brisbane weren't that good (by normal premiership standards of course), and Hawthorn were far superior. Brisbane never finished on top of the ladder, never dominated a season, never had a percentage above 140% - not even in any one season from 2001-2-3-4.

I hate saying it, but Hawthorn was far better. We tend to overrate Brisbane's quality by virtue of the "number" of premierships instead of unemotionally looking at whether they were truly exceptional. And by premiership standards, they weren't that special in any of the seasons they won the flag. It doesn't matter of course because a premiership is still a premiership, but to compare Brisbane's quality in 2001-2-3-4 to Hawthorn's in 2012-13-14-15 is ridiculous. Hawthorn was far better. Far, far better.

Well according to your method of judging teams, Brisbane are the better finals team. So you can rest easy my friend.

 

[Dan26]

This isn't going to get many likes, Dan.....

Well, from anyone other than Hawk fans.

Look, I hate Hawthorn. You bastards have done my head in this year with all those flukey close wins. You have succeeded in ruining me this year as the unpalatable prospect of a 4th consecutive flag seemed to dawn closer and closer. It seemed as though God was a Hawthorn fan, orchestrating ways to get them in the top-4. You guys ruined my brain this year. Destroyed me. I legitimately believe that the 2016 version of Hawthorn was incredibly overrated and should have finished 6th or 7th based on their form through the year and it killed me seeing you finish in an undeserved position. Your overall finishing position of "5th" after the finals is the true measure of where you were at and I, like most of the rest of the football world rejoiced in seeing you beaten, and finishing where you deserved.

But I'm nothing if not fair and while my hatred and jealously for your mob reached new heights, I can't let bullshit go unanswered. And anyone who thinks Brisbane from 2001-2-3-4 was better than Hawthorn of 2012-13-14-15 is spouting utter bullshit. Total utter bullshit.

I just don't get the orgasming over Brisbane. There is NOTHING about any one of those 3 premierships which was better than average (by premiership standards of course)

Their best percentage in all four years was 137% (and that was the year they LOST the Grand Final) and in 2003 it was in the low 120's. They never finished top of the ladder. They just weren't that good - it's as simple as that.

By any numerical measure Hawthorn was far better. They just were. There is a lot of Hawks hatred from Bigfooty posters which makes them unable to give the Hawks any credit. I'll give them credit where it's due. Hell, they probably should have won 4. How they lost in 2012 is still a mystery. Everyone knows Sydney stole that one (and I'm glad they did, but it was a steal)

 

[hawkman]

Hawks were WAY better of a feat, considering hardships faced. But to that end Hawthorn were pretty lucky to get 2013 and even have a 3-peat on the books.

So it's with an addendum. Lions a more emphatic, impressive 3-peat! Especially beating Essendon 01!! Will go down better in history.

How was 2013 lucky?

 

[dean31]

Except the only extra player who we got from the merger which went on to play in the premierships was Chris Johnson. He wanted to come up to Brisbane in any case, so he was coming either way.

Incorrect through trading of unwanted players the AFL Lions also got Mal Michael.
Then J Brown through father son. Half the list were obtained through draft concessions and merger benefits. Voss and Akermanis both obtained through draft concessions. Merger happened after finishing 3rd. Add to all that a bloated salary cap, extended player roster and its a significant *. Hawks also have already contested 1 extra final series so far with the higher finish of a prelim. Exstensive equalisation methods that Brisbane did not have to deal with. No team has lost more to free Agency than Hawthorn. All tine record for assistant coach poaching and the IP that goes with it. Better GF opponents, take a look at the ladders.
Hawks clearly win this debate.

 

[Dan26]

How was 2013 lucky?

He may be referring to the fact that you were 20 points down during the last quarter of the Prelim in that season.

 

[hawkman]

He may be referring to the fact that you were 20 points down during the last quarter of the Prelim in that season.

Then kicked 4.8 to 1.1 in the last quarter with what would have been another shot after the siren if the siren wasn't broken on the Great Southern Stand side of the ground.

That game should have really been a 5 goal win but for horrible goal kicking

 

[Rack Watts]

Leigh Matthews and Michael Voss have both said the hawks were better so I'll go with them

They're not gonna say 'we were better'. In fact, they know they were better so well, that it doesn't bother them saying they weren't.

 

[Dan26]

Then kicked 4.8 to 1.1 in the last quarter with what would have been another shot after the siren if the siren wasn't broken on the Great Southern Stand side of the ground.

That game should have really been a 5 goal win but for horrible goal kicking

I agree with you. You were the better team and deserved to win that game. But it was still close and in the last minute could have gone either way. Varcoe kicks a goal, and it goes to extra time, who knows what would have happened

 

[Freomaniac]

Then Freo Sydney WC were all powerhouse clubs.

Freo a powerhouse club really?

 

[Freomaniac]

You've gone awfully silent.

I guess others were just as tired of your crap as I am.

Go watch some Freo premiership dvd in your time off bigfooty..... oh sorry. Just watch this one then

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Not sure how it is 3 disks to be honest. Must be a lot of behind the scenes extra's and Lyon commentary or something.

i was silent because i got banned fir arguing with the likes of you. Thanks for asking

 

[Mercy Seat]

They're not gonna say 'we were better'. In fact, they know they were better so well, that it doesn't bother them saying they weren't.

LOL!

Plenty of people in the media say they are better, or at least say "i'm staying out of this one" if they think that they were better. Voss and Matthews were pretty definitive.

 

[Mercy Seat]

They're not gonna say 'we were better'. In fact, they know they were better so well, that it doesn't bother them saying they weren't.

To be fair I think Matthews also said that Hawks in the 80s were better than all of them, followed by Hawks present, Brisbane early 2000's and then Essendon 2000.

 

[Dom PC]

Incorrect through trading of unwanted players the AFL Lions also got Mal Michael.
Then J Brown through father son. Half the list were obtained through draft concessions and merger benefits. Voss and Akermanis both obtained through draft concessions. Merger happened after finishing 3rd. Add to all that a bloated salary cap, extended player roster and its a significant *. Hawks also have already contested 1 extra final series so far with the higher finish of a prelim. Exstensive equalisation methods that Brisbane did not have to deal with. No team has lost more to free Agency than Hawthorn. All tine record for assistant coach poaching and the IP that goes with it. Better GF opponents, take a look at the ladders.
Hawks clearly win this debate.

You're just making shit up now and you're going to go back and re-write history now are you? Have fun with that.

How many priority picks and vic boys did you benefit from? Croad, Hodge, Roughead, Gunston, Frawley, Lake etc. It can be twisted in many ways.

Then you have the audacity to mention the "equalisation methods". Franklin moving from the no.1 team to the no.2 team and then you blokes plucking the two best defenders from the bottom teams... yeah it suddenly became really tough for the best teams didn't it... enjoy JOM and T.Mitchell next year btw