Brisbane to ask for priority pick

[Hollow Knight]

And the onus is on your club to start a) drafting players that won't get homesick and b) convincing your draftees to stay at the Lions.

There was also an onus on Melbourne to draft and develop their talent properly. You failed to do so for years and got repeatedly compensated for it.

Like I said above, I don't have a strong opinion as to whether we deserve a priority pick, but jeeeeeesus, if anyone should sit quietly in the corner of the room when the adults are discussing it, it should be Melbourne supporters.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Two of those players actually left for Melbourne clubs (not implying that homesickness was the reason), but quite poor examples nonetheless. Lol

Six Brisbane premierships between them. Not poor examples when Shattock's departure is being cited as a hit.

 

[Xtreme]

I'm all for it (soft spot for Brisbane) as long as they don't screw up the development of said priority pick.

 

[Full Wingspan]

And the onus is on your club to start a) drafting players that won't get homesick and b) convincing your draftees to stay at the Lions.

Again, how does a priority pick fix any of this? These are two entirely separate issues. I see the value of Academies now the cost situation is being fixed (we'll call it the 'Isaac Heeney' amendment). Your club needs to start being active in the community and find these kids, because you'll have exclusive access to your state's best talent when you do. This also solves the problem you're experiencing with interstate draftees becoming homesick.

But the odds are tipped in your favour when only 3% of Queenslanders make up the draft pool.

Have you been living under a rock? We also have been investing in academies in an effort to brew home talent, but the Victorian clubs, spearheaded by Collingwood and Hawthorn have been crying foul when these academies actually start producing talent worth keeping, hence the so-called "Heeney amendment".

 

[Rob]

Brisbane has something those three clubs doesn't have - extra cap space. Sizable cap space I might add.

Where has this myth that these club's aren't struggling to retain youth coming from. Let me (stupidly) post this graph in order to explain and evidence this claim.

For those who seem to have trouble comprehending the meaning of this information (which appears to be quite a few in this thread *ahem* Ron The Bear, it is detailing the amount of net players that all the clubs have lost/won due to go-home factor.

That is, players who want to arrive at a club - (minus) players who want to leave a club.

Give it time, the Gold Coast and GWS will rise with time (that is the reason they are proportionately)

I would that Sydney being almost twice as good as the Lions in this metric may have something to do with the fact they have had prolonged success for at least 20 years, as well as an extra, say $900,000 in their salary cap may have something to do with it. Even then, they are still big losers in comparison to every other AFL club.

Funny - why only use first round draft picks? Why not use all players? Also using a very broad definition of 'homesick'. Mitch Clark was so homesick he went to a city 3000km from his home. Cameron Wood was from Adelaide and went to Collingwood. Once again, clearly not homesick. Lachie Henderson was traded for Fevola, I never heard anything about homesickness. And surely you're not claiming Brennan as homesick....well I guess you are because you need to to get even close to the -10 number you're claiming. lol....so homesick he moved up the road.
So you might want to adjust your figures - they're complete ratshit.

Try and find the underlying problem - maybe it's cultural within the club.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

They have plenty of quality young talent, just like Melbourne when they asked for one. Now they just have to develop what they have.

 

[Toump Ass]

prognostication

 

[master bate]

There was also an onus on Melbourne to draft and develop their talent properly. You failed to do so for years and got repeatedly compensated for it.

Like I said above, I don't have a strong opinion as to whether we deserve a priority pick, but jeeeeeesus, if anyone should sit quietly in the corner of the room when the adults are discussing it, it should be Melbourne supporters.

Maybe stick to the threads about Fitzroy and the VAFA because this thread is about whether you deserve a priority pick. So if you don't have an opinion on it then all your clarifications are pretty useless.

Whatever happened in 2009 (when by the way after 2.5 years of being terrible, not receiving a priority pick and being shunted down the draft order due to Carlton throwing a game against us in 2007) in the years from 2012-2014 we were as bad a side as there ever has been.

So we know a bit about the number 1 criteria for any priority pick. Which isn't - homesick players, previous compensations or any other factor. It's having a repeatedly terrible football side and a list devoid of talent.

And as the experts on bad footy it makes sense for us to not idly sit in the corner but to point out to Brisbane supporters that what ever inequalities or other circumstances you have suffered through in the last few years that you are nowhere near the depths of bad football that Melbourne displayed in the last 3 years.

 

[Ron The Bear]

For those who seem to have trouble comprehending the meaning of this information (which appears to be quite a few in this thread *ahem* Ron The Bear, it is detailing the amount of net players that all the clubs have lost/won due to go-home factor.

That is, players who want to arrive at a club - (minus) players who want to leave a club.

Am I supposed to feel bad after big money was thrown at all of our best players and we managed to retain all of them? Maybe you should be poaching Dan Richardson.

Plenty of players have gone to Brisbane from other states. You need more Craig Lamberts and less Andrew Raines. It's that simple.

 

[Full Wingspan]

Am I supposed to feel bad after big money was thrown at all of our best players and we managed to retain all of them? Maybe you should be poaching Dan Richardson.

Plenty of players have gone to Brisbane from other states. You need more Craig Lamberts and less Andrew Raines. It's that simple.

TheBrownDog is this guy taking the piss or?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Funny - why only use first round draft picks? Why not use all players? Also using a very broad definition of 'homesick'. Mitch Clark was so homesick he went to a city 3000km from his home. Cameron Wood was from Adelaide and went to Collingwood. Once again, clearly not homesick. Lachie Henderson was traded for Fevola, I never heard anything about homesickness. And surely you're not claiming Brennan as homesick....well I guess you are because you need to to get even close to the -10 number you're claiming. lol....so homesick he moved up the road.
So you might want to adjust your figures - they're complete ratshit.

Try and find the underlying problem - maybe it's cultural within the club.

Can confirm that players such as Brennan and Wood are not in the equation. Why you'd even suggest it is baffling, unless you are trying to be be obscurantist.

whatboutbob can probably provide the backend data.

 

[Abomination]

It's interesting how the Suns haven't had any mass exodus of young players due to "homesickness", despite having a worse win/loss ratio over the last 5 years and only being 80km up the highway?

 

[Balony_pony16]

It's interesting how the Suns haven't had any mass exodus of young players due to "homesickness", despite having a worse win/loss ratio over the last 5 years and only being 80km up the highway?

Someone hands out contracts to sign when they are high as a kite I think

 

[Rockford]

I'd have no problem with them receiving a priority pick. It's not a matter of where they're finishing etc.. just more an indication of them not receiving fair compensation for the players they'd developed and lost.

Beyond that, they should receive the same retention allowance as GWS, GC and Sydney (really, the Swans get a retention allowance??).

 

[lionshine]

The irony of some Pies and Hawks fans coming into this thread and saying things like "They don't deserve a priority pick they were already gifted 3 premierships due to handouts" is hilarious. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't both the Hawks and Pies receive priority picks in the 2005 national draft which lead to the acquisitions of future premiership stars Pendlebury/Thomas for the Pies and Buddy/Roughy for the Hawks?

The attitude of some Demons supporters is laughable as well. How easily some forget your club received priority picks and were later found guilty of tanking. Fair enough if you disagree with the Lions right to one but some of you seriously need to get off your high horses especially those of you who are "outraged"

Anyway I don't particularly want a priority pick. It would be nice and I think the club does have a claim for one considering the AFL completely ignored the club for so many years while supporting the other three frontier clubs but there are other more important issues at hand and I don't think we particularly need one.

 

[Happy_Neale]

It's interesting how the Suns haven't had any mass exodus of young players due to "homesickness", despite having a worse win/loss ratio over the last 5 years and only being 80km up the highway?

Sounds like you agree considering up until this year they had a salary cap allowance

 

[lionshine]

It's interesting how the Suns haven't had any mass exodus of young players due to "homesickness", despite having a worse win/loss ratio over the last 5 years and only being 80km up the highway?

Suns have a retention allowance as do GWS and the Swans. Lions don't.

 

[Happy_Neale]

IMO we will end up with an end of first round PP which is to be used on a local player due to the changes in the academy system coming in. My best guess anyway.

 

[Ron The Bear]

TheBrownDog is this guy taking the piss or?

No I'm not taking the piss. Players change clubs all the time. The graphic suggests Brisbane has a problem. An out: Brad Ottens, in: Trent Knobel problem.

 

[Hollow Knight]

It's interesting how the Suns haven't had any mass exodus of young players due to "homesickness", despite having a worse win/loss ratio over the last 5 years and only being 80km up the highway?

Well they have been around for much less time to collect data, had an expanded salary cap until this year, but still lost first rounders to their home states. Josh Caddy says hi. Gorringe wanted out. Now that their salary cap is back to parity let's see how they go.

Then you've got the Giants.... Boyd, Adams, Frost, Jaksch, O'Rourke, Tyson...

 

[Abomination]

If Swann's doing this just to highlight the inequities between the 4 frontier clubs then he's got a perfectly valid point. Every non-standard allowance the Swans/Giants/Suns get should be given to the Lions, as well.

I just don't see the correlation between that and priority picks. The root cause of the problem needs to be fixed first. It's the reason the AFL rightly stopped giving Melbourne priority picks 6 years ago; the club itself was a mess, and until recruitment and development got their shit together it was a waste of everyone's time.

 

[lionshine]

Then you've got the Giants.... Boyd, Adams, Frost, Jaksch, O'Rourke, Tyson...

And that's with a retention allowance. Something the Lions don't have.

 

[Merv Burman]

I feel like a priority pick makes a club look completely hopeless from the outside which is not what Brisbane need more of right now. Winning attitude is not present with anyone at Brisbane, and that is exemplified by Leppa's post match interviews. I mean, say what you want about Brad Scott, but at least he is rightfully disgusted with pathetic performances instead of being complacent with the utter rubbish Brisbane has dished up this season. Successful clubs don't just accept mediocrity.

 

[lionshine]

If Swann's doing this just to highlight the inequities between the 4 frontier clubs then he's got a perfectly valid point. Every non-standard allowance the Swans/Giants/Suns get should be given to the Lions, as well.

I just don't see the correlation between that and priority picks. The root cause of the problem needs to be fixed first. It's the reason the AFL rightly stopped giving Melbourne priority picks 6 years ago; the club itself was a mess, and until recruitment and development got their shit together it was a waste of everyone's time.

It has something to do with the fact that as a result of the Lions being ignored for so long by the AFL with no retention allowance as opposed to the other frontier clubs we have lost multiple first round draft picks and as a result of that we only have 4 top 20 draft picks on our list(Quite possibly soon to be 2). A priority pick would help to rectify that issue by giving us another top 20 pick in the one off season in an attempt to make up that difference somewhat.

That is the general gist on the angle the Lions are taking anyway I think. That's just my interpretation of the article.

 

[Hollow Knight]

It has something to do with the fact that as a result of the Lions being ignored for so long by the AFL with no retention allowance as opposed to the other frontier clubs we have lost multiple first round draft picks and as a result of that we only have 4 top 20 draft picks on our list(Quite possibly soon to be 2). A priority pick would help to rectify that issue by giving us another top 20 pick in the one off season in an attempt to make up that difference somewhat.

That is the general gist on the angle the Lions are taking anyway I think. That's just my interpretation of the article.

Which is also assuming Jay "no quotes" Clark hasn't just fabricated it all out of thin air.