West Coast Eagles Priority Pick (2024)
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Look how many of their best 22 wasn't out there, when healthy Richmond will be fine.
He was 19 years old and barely played 50% of the match.
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Hawks are more deserving of a pp than wc. i dont think either should get one.
nth melbourne get draft assistance - ladder finishes: 15-9-12-17-18-18-17
hawthorn ladder finishes - 12-4-9-15-14-13-16
west coast: 8-2-5-5-9-17-18.
Thats right, wc just missed finals as early as 2021. A team should be at the bottom for longer than 2 years before getting draft assistance.
now look at how compromised their draft picks have been (firsrt round only)
2021
nth: 1->1
haw: 4->7
wc: traded their first to port: 10->12 for 14
2022
nth:traded pick 1 got pick 2 and 3 and change. 2+3 -> 3+4. they chose to get pushed back ie was in their control.
haw: 6->7
wc: traded pick 3 out but would have been 2->3
2023
nth: 2-> 2 +compo 3->4
haw: 3->5
wc: 1->1
Every one of hawks first picks in the last 3 years has been diluted by Academy or f/s to a much higher degree than nth or wc, especially when you consider that wc and nth intentionally traded back so any dilution is of their own making.
Total unavoidable points lost due to compromised draft:
nth: 0 (i dont include compo picks)
haw: -853 draft points
wc:-390 draft points
the hawks have been hardest done by from the last 3 years of compromised drafts to the tune of a pick in the range of 20-21. Their ladder finishes are only slightly better than nth and definitely worse than wc over the last 7 years.
nth melbourne get draft assistance - ladder finishes: 15-9-12-17-18-18-17
hawthorn ladder finishes - 12-4-9-15-14-13-16
west coast: 8-2-5-5-9-17-18.
Thats right, wc just missed finals as early as 2021. A team should be at the bottom for longer than 2 years before getting draft assistance.
now look at how compromised their draft picks have been (firsrt round only)
2021
nth: 1->1
haw: 4->7
wc: traded their first to port: 10->12 for 14
2022
nth:traded pick 1 got pick 2 and 3 and change. 2+3 -> 3+4. they chose to get pushed back ie was in their control.
haw: 6->7
wc: traded pick 3 out but would have been 2->3
2023
nth: 2-> 2 +compo 3->4
haw: 3->5
wc: 1->1
Every one of hawks first picks in the last 3 years has been diluted by Academy or f/s to a much higher degree than nth or wc, especially when you consider that wc and nth intentionally traded back so any dilution is of their own making.
Total unavoidable points lost due to compromised draft:
nth: 0 (i dont include compo picks)
haw: -853 draft points
wc:-390 draft points
the hawks have been hardest done by from the last 3 years of compromised drafts to the tune of a pick in the range of 20-21. Their ladder finishes are only slightly better than nth and definitely worse than wc over the last 7 years.
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We don't need any priority picks.
Three GF back to backs in the last decade,,, fcuk off.
I said i dont think anyone should get draft assistance. Did you miss that part?
Hawks were last in the finals in 2018 - 6 years ago and finished 9th 5 years ago. They haven't been at the bottom long enough to deserve any draft assistance imo.
Wescoast played finals in 2020 4 years ago and finished 9 in 2021 3 years ago. They have been at the bottom for far less time than the hawks. They also won a premiership in 2018.
North were last in the finals in 2016 - 8 years ago and finished 9th in 2018 - 6 years ago. They have been at the bottom for longer than both wc and haw.
My point was that if WC deserve draft assistance after only being at the bottom a couple years then the hawks are more deserving having been at the bottom for longer and having the most compromised draft picks over the last 3 years.
I'll repeat it again, None of these teams should be getting draft assistance imo.
The assistance North got was greatly overated. End of first round picks sounds great, but they end up being picks in the mid 20s. Better than nothing, but hardly changes anything going forward. They are also clearly at a disadvantage compared to bigger clubs. They cant attract decent players and have to put fringe players on huge long term contracts to get them over. CCJ, Stephens, Fisher etc.
West Coast, Hawthorn etc shouldnt have that problem and will be fine.
West Coast, Hawthorn etc shouldnt have that problem and will be fine.
Hawks have shipped off how many veterans since their flag years? You can't sell off all of your most experienced players for draft picks and then when you inevitably finish lower than you would have had you kept them, use that as a reason to be given more draft picks. They've also won 7, 8 and 7 games the last few years, that's not a side that needs AFL assistance to become competitive again.
west coast just missed out on finals 3 seasons ago. Thats not a season who needs assistance.
Also the irony of your comments when wc did the opposite and held on to their veterans for too long and got nothing from it. mhm.
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You want picks ahead of us because you are further behind in your rebuild, so I’d say the holding on for veterans too long isn’t that relevant.
Keeping Yeo to guide Reid is much better the getting pick 50 and some salary cap relief like you got for Tom Mitchell. Form of Ginbey/Reid/Chesser compared to Ward/McKenzie/Watson shows that
No it isn't but no one said we deserve assistance based on 2021. The question whether west coast deserve a priority pick this year was dependent on how competitive they were this year, after 2 historically uncompetitive seasons. If they can become consistently competitive again then we shouldn't get one but if we had another 2-4 win season like the last 2 then I don't see how you can argue that 3 years of sub 4 wins doesn't qualify.
Nothing really ironic about it, we held on to them with the hope they could turn their injuries around and now we have Yeo and Gov playing at arguably AA level that everybody said we should be trading for junk picks last season. Instead of gutting the list and the sticking our begging bowls out when we turn to shit they're backing themselves to turn it around. The experience and knowledge they can pass onto the young guys is also invaluable, to say we got nothing from it is idiotic.
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They traded Tom Mitchell for Stephens (0 games), O’Sullivan (0 games) and MacDonald (2 games) and boast about it like it was some master stroke for some reason…. It makes no sense
Maybe stop trying to build a case that Hawthorn is "More worthy "then.
Can’t believe this has turned into ‘oh well the Eagles are fine now, someone else should get a PP’.
1 win.
With a Derby coming up - Freo beat us by 100 late last season, and yes that’s the same Freo who couldn’t score in a brothel.
See you next week for another round of ‘they are the worst team ever, but they don’t deserve nothing!’
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1 win.
With a Derby coming up - Freo beat us by 100 late last season, and yes that’s the same Freo who couldn’t score in a brothel.
See you next week for another round of ‘they are the worst team ever, but they don’t deserve nothing!’
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Madas
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“ they are the worst team ever, but they don’t deserve nothing!”
Totally agree with this
Might as well say we deserve a fremantle trophy cabinet“ they are the worst team ever, but they don’t deserve nothing!”
Totally agree with this
“ they are the worst team ever, but they don’t deserve nothing!”
Totally agree with this
Feel free to join in this time next week with the rest of the mouth breathers then?
spudmaster
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You won a flag more recently - go back one space.
No idea what that has to do with the discussion of priority picks.
they are, they didnt just miss out on finals only 3 seasons ago. Doesnt mean they are worth at all. Its just a relative statement. -1>-2 but both are less than 0, if that makes sense.
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