Brisbane to wear Fitzroy jumper in once off next year

[luthor]

Sorry to be a stick in the mud but I just don't see the point in dragging out old Fitzroy OR Bears jumpers.

The only thing I can see this achieving is opening up the old wounds and divisions that so many people have worked hard to try to eliminate.

Brisbane Lions FC - Est 1997 (not 1897 or 1987)

Our players are already wearing the original jumper.

 

[SpecialBruce]

Originally posted by adey115
PS - I've got a mate who still calls 'us' the Bears. I correct him every time with "you mean Lions", and we have a laugh about it. Old habits I guess....

I have a few. But on most occasions they are probably saying it deliberately.

 

[lioness]

If they are suggesting we use ONLY the Fitzroy jumper then I am TOTALLY opposed to the idea. If they want us to do it at all, they have to allow us to use BOTH jumpers. And I like the suggestion of using the Bears jumper at a home game and the Fitzroy one for a Melbourne match.

 

[Roylion]

Originally posted by Lady Lawrence


We don't CLAIM to represent both we DO represent both but we get a little ticked off that it is only the Fitzroy half of the merger that is recognised.

If we DO represent both, then what is the problem? I'm quite happy for the Bears to be suitably recognised as well, if that's what people want.

I'm not sure what you mean that only the Fitzroy half of the merger is recognised. Fitzory people received some things as a result of the merger as did Bears people.

I'd certainly love to go along and watch 11-14 games a year in Brisbane, as well as the Reserves. I'd also like to attend Lions' training. I'd also like to see the Premiership Cups and the players on a regular basis.

However I'm willing to accept that I can't do this, in the spirit of a merger. A merger incidentally I'm veryy happy with.

Originally posted by Lady Lawrence

I don't hear people walking around saying "go Bears" but there is plenty of people saying "go Roys"!

I saw several people at the GF wearing old Bears jumpers and scarves. Didn't worry me in the least.

Originally posted by Lady Lawrence

At the risk of being shot down here why can't we just accept we now have a team called the Brisbane Lions who are a two state team and move on.

Why do we have to deny our history? If we DO represent both, as you say, then BOTH clubs (Fitzroy and the Brisbane Bears) contributed to the current makeup of this club. We commemorate both clubs in a variety of ways currently. What's wrong with wearing the jumper of one of the ORIGINAL clubs that formed our present club. I would be quite happy for the Bears jumper to be worn at the same time. Hell, swap them over at half-time, if you want.

Originally posted by Lady Lawrence

Both clubs are represented at the Gabba and at The Manningham, there is memorabilia galore from both teams and anyone walking in to either of these venues for the first time would be in no doubt as to the fact that The Brisbane Lions was fromed from two teams.

And wearing one or both jumpers in a Federation match will re-inforce that concept quite nicely to the rest of the footballing public.

Originally posted by Lady Lawrence

What we are up in arms about is the Fitzroy Guernsey being hailed as our ORIGINAL guernsey.

One of our two original guernseys, yes. Commemorate both, either in the same match or in seperate matches that have some significance. Wear the very original Fitzroy guernsey, which was VERY similar to the old Bears jumper.

 

[CarterS]

How about they make a half Fitzroy/half Bears jersey, that would fix the problem.

 

[luthor]

ERK!!!!

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by CarterS
How about they make a half Fitzroy/half Bears jersey, that would fix the problem.

That pretty much sums up the 'original' Fitzroy jumper.

 

[Philj]

IMO the Federation game celebrates the origin of the VFL with the jerseys worn at that time. As a result, teams that joined later don't get to wear the 1887 jerseys. The Brisbane Lions (and the Brisbane Bears) fall into that category -as do the WA/SA teams, Footscray, NM, Hawthorn (please correct any mistakes). As there is no FFC in the AFL, shouldn't the heir take that responsibility. I would have thought it was an honour for the BLs to be able to wear one of teh foundation member jerseys.

It would be nice for the old BB jersey(s) to be trotted out but it has nothing to do with the 1887 - nor does the last Fitzroy jersey. If we want to remember our origins, then we should do it on our historic moments, say 20th anniversary of last FFC match or first BB match. The first one may be difficult if the AFL keeps BL away from Melbourne in the last round each year. I'm from Brisbane and I don't know the date of FFC's foundation but surely that date could also be appropriate.

 

[CarterS]

How about they make a half Fitzroy/half Bears jersey, that would fix the problem.

lol, is this not what the brisbane lions guernsey is?

(carter s's brother)

 

[luthor]

True.

My ERK!!!! was based on the thought of a combination of the original Brisbane Bears jumper and Fitzroy's strip.

The mind boggles.

 

[ian68]

If not for a couple of votes Fitzroy would of been Queenslands first team anyway. They would have been called the Brisbane Lions just like the Sydney Swans. I was a Bears supporter and don't lay claim to Fitzroy's history. However our supporters who have always been Lions can and must. This Federation thing is more a Celebration of the VFL anyway. To not let them have their day in the sun would be petty. One day maybe they will celebrate the forming of the AFL and interstate sides will be asked to wear their originals and it will be our turn.
Besides the game is against the Pies on the MCG. Fitzroy and Collingwood were neighbours and therefore fierce rivals, in the early years especially. Both sides with historic lace up jumpers and a packed MCG. One for the Photo Albums!
As the first AFL merged club our situation is unique, in-house bickering can only hurt us. In these bountiful times let us not forget 1998.

 

[fitzmantle]

The original Fitzroy jumper and Brisbane Bears jumper are the excact same except the bears had a couple of Bs on it. Considering it is only one game, people should lighten up a bit? I would like to think that people North of Texas, Qld would like a bit of history as opposed to WCE and Adelaide.

 

[brissie4_3peat]

why are they wearing the fitroy stuff?

its the brisbane lions club, not the fitzroy lions??

isn't the fact the jumper carries the lion enough?

it seems to me to be dwelling on past failures.

 

[Roylion]

Originally posted by brissie4_3peat
why are they wearing the fitroy stuff?

In Round 19 next year the AFL has determined will commemorate Federation. All clubs are being asked to wear old guernseys. It was suggested that the Brisbane Lions (as the representatives of Fitzroy) could wear Fitzroy's guernsey for the match against Collingwood (Fitzroy's arch-enemy) in the early 1900's.

Originally posted by brissie4_3peat

its the brisbane lions club, not the fitzroy lions??

The Brisbane Lions are a combination of the Fitzroy Lions and the Brisbane Bears. Simple as that.

Originally posted by brissie4_3peat

isn't the fact the jumper carries the lion enough?

Obviously former Fitzroy supporters are supposed to be happy with a token Lions on the front of the Lions jumper.

Isn't the fact that our new club carries the "Brisbane" name, plays out of the Gabba, has the reserves based in Brisbane...... etc. etc. etc., enough also?

I personally have no objections to recognising both the Fitzroy and Bears history through the wearing of commemorative jumpers on the odd occasion. The financial windfall for the club could be enormous.

Originally posted by brissie4_3peat

it seems to me to be dwelling on past failures.

I disagree. While there may have been some failures in the past there were also a great deal of successes. I don't really see why a foundation club of the VFL-AFL and the first club in Queensland shouldn't be acknowledged and remembered once in a while.

 

[OldLion]

Originally posted by ian68
.. the game is against the Pies on the MCG. Fitzroy and Collingwood were neighbours and therefore fierce rivals, in the early years especially. Both sides with historic lace up jumpers and a packed MCG. One for the Photo Albums!
As the first AFL merged club our situation is unique, in-house bickering can only hurt us. In these bountiful times let us not forget 1998.

Excellent post - my sentiments exactly. Much of the supporter passion in the GF ( certainly from my household ) was because we could roll the Pies in a GF.

If we bicker and moan, we are just like all those other clubs, and we are NOT. Our success is not a one-off, a fluke - much of it is based on our unique supporter base that can rise about parochial paranoia, and our association with the greats of our game over 100 years.

BTW - I rather like the 1930's jumper as worn by Chicken et al... but the Percy Parrot style would be OK too.

 

[Crimso]

Now now ladies and gents, why not play the 4 quaters in 4 different strips? 1st 1/4 would be the original Fitzroy jersey, 2nd 1/4 could be the last Fitzroy jersey, 3rd 1/4 the Bears jersey would come out and then finish it off in the BBFFC current jersey. This would show the history of the club, in total.

And totally confuse the opposition.

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by OldLion
BTW - I rather like the 1930's jumper as worn by Chicken et al... but the Percy Parrot style would be OK too.

I'm not sure if Percy Parrat actually wore the first jumper, but certainly Percy Trotter did.

From looking over a few books, as well as what Levo mentioned on the Roys board, Fitzroy actually even wore a "special" version of their jumper at the time, for the Federation celebrations.

Basically, it was exactly the same as their normal jumper of the time (maroon body, with gold yoke and trim down the middle where the laces went), with the extra addition of a gold sash running diagonally across the jumper.

 

[*em*]

wot round is the federation thing on???

 

[Yippyio]

it seems as though there a few very petty supporters out there who will get jealous if they wear the fitzroy strip for a federation round.
I think Ian you have some very valid points, this federation round will be used to commemorate the Fitzroy side of the Merger and i believe they should wear Fitzroys Final strip.
The next time in years to come when there is another round commemorating the start of the AFl or first interstate clubs(as Ian said), then the Brisbane Bears side of the Merger should be commemorated.

Would some of you people let them commemorate without the fuss. If the old Bears and Lions supporters cannot agree on matters like this, then i will cease my support for the club. I will not be part of a club where two sides will go on fighting like this, years after they came together.

Its pitiful and disgusting.
Just let it go, the board of Management will decide, stop whinging about whos getting a fairer deal. Do we go for the Brisbane Lions or do we still go for our former club?

 

[baz77]

Originally posted by Yippyio
it seems as though there a few very petty supporters out there who will get jealous if they wear the fitzroy strip for a federation round.
I think Ian you have some very valid points, this federation round will be used to commemorate the Fitzroy side of the Merger and i believe they should wear Fitzroys Final strip.
The next time in years to come when there is another round commemorating the start of the AFl or first interstate clubs(as Ian said), then the Brisbane Bears side of the Merger should be commemorated.

Would some of you people let them commemorate without the fuss. If the old Bears and Lions supporters cannot agree on matters like this, then i will cease my support for the club. I will not be part of a club where two sides will go on fighting like this, years after they came together.

Its pitiful and disgusting.
Just let it go, the board of Management will decide, stop whinging about whos getting a fairer deal. Do we go for the Brisbane Lions or do we still go for our former club?

Ok how about this, the whole team will wear the lions current jumper and we have two former players, one Bears and one lions to lead the team out in both clubs respective original jumpers?

 

[baz77]

or swap jumpers each half (from memory didn't a team do that just recently)

to determine which jumper has a go first we toss a coin or use a magic ball

 

[Philj]

Re earlier suggestion of lace up jerseys - I think they would be a bit dangerous.

Given the discussion on teh main board about jersey clashes and the material currently used in jerseys, there may more incients of mistaken identity if these Foundation games are played at night.

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by baz77
or swap jumpers each half (from memory didn't a team do that just recently)

to determine which jumper has a go first we toss a coin or use a magic ball

The point is though, that the Fitzroy element of the club is relevant to the Federation era, whereas, the Bears weren't even a glint in the eye of the football world at the time in question.

If the club does decide to wear one of the various Fitzroy jumpers for the occasion, it will be because of this reason. In future, there will most likely also be opportunities to wear a Bears jumper at some stage, upon when it is historically appropriate to do so.

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by Philj
Re earlier suggestion of lace up jerseys - I think they would be a bit dangerous.

I don't think they would put 'real' laces into the jumpers, but rather they'd have them 'in' the actual design of the jumper, as part of the jumper itself (like they did with the Centenary jumpers in '96, where they had white markings which were supposed to be, or look like, laces).

 

[campbell]

I think playing in our original jumper for the Roys would be terrific. Its the history of our club.

I don't see the problem at all.

I would like to see a game against Sydney at NRL State of Origin time in the original bears jumper, and have the game marketed as the NRL do for State of Origin. Full on hype, us against them.