Brock Mclean leaves Melbourne

[Invigoration]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

Pick 11 for Brock McLean is an absolute bargain for Carlton. I don't know what on earth they're thinking at Melbourne. There is no way they will get the equivalent of McLean at 11 in this draft.

Terrible work by the list management people at Melbourne (unless they're hands were tied - was Brock uncontracted ?) and as much as I hate to admit it, kudos to Greg Swann at Carlton.

This.
I'm a bit disappointed Collingwood didn't chase him TBH.

It is laughable that some people think Melbourne have somehow won out of this. It is undoubtedly due to Brock wanting to leave but it doesn't change the fact they have been completely ****ing stooped here.

Oh yeah, what a win for Melbourne, a future captain, top 5 draft pick, 5 years of development, proven performer at AFL level
= a six spot downgrade in a weak draft.

People overrate draft picks so much it isn't funny. Here you have a proven young talent at AFL level, now Melbourne set themselves back 5 years and restart it all again, except this time they are potentially going to come up with the next JON.
Travis Johnstone was worth pick 14, Ted Richards pick 19, Fergus Watts 17 and Nathan Lonie pick 14... Yet Melbourne's shining light, their best young midfielder and future leader is worth pick 11?
It is all well and good to get rid of an oldish Travis Johnstone in the hopes of bringing in some talented youth which Melbourne managed to do with Grimes, but trading talented youth to get that opportunity is hardly worth the risk.... It is a lucky dip more often than not.

What sort of precedent does it set? So now we can expect that after 5 years of developing this new kid Melbourne might be able to trade him off for say, pick 18 or 19? Would that be a win as well?

What an absolute rabble, hang your heads Melbourne, I dunno how you have managed it but Jesus, what a **** up.

 

[dave_27]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

Should have drafted him in the first place, they made a big mistake taking walker ahead of him.

Mute point now, wtf is going on at Melbourne.

 

[WaltzingMatera]

Re: Brock Mclean

Word is he is going to call it quits.

McLean would be a great asset, and it is based on the decision that the club probably feel that the type of player we need will not be available at Pick 11, or we have many options when we reenter in the second round.

Whilst initially stunned, a great result for both clubs.

People laugh and talk about Carlton having a one man forward line, Fev in most teams would be one man as he is such a key target and demands the ball.

Fev with Waite / Kreuzer / Betts / Garlett next year will be a lot better.

And a defense line with Jamison / Thornton / Bower / Austin / Ohailpin as options and not injured as upside.

So in essence we are not that far away in those areas of the ground.

So you've already given up on Yarran?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

Pick 11 for Brock McLean is an absolute bargain for Carlton. I don't know what on earth they're thinking at Melbourne. There is no way they will get the equivalent of McLean at 11 in this draft.

Terrible work by the list management people at Melbourne (unless they're hands were tied - was Brock uncontracted ?) and as much as I hate to admit it, kudos to Greg Swann at Carlton.

Agree, he will be a star at that club. **** I am jealous right now.

 

[HFF]

wow - didn't see that coming

Big call by the Blues- have just ****ed themselves out of the 1st round of the last untampered draft - mclean could be a brilliant addition, but to give away pick 11 nearly a month out from trade week - is that the best deal the blues could get?

Would have though they may have been able to somehow at least improve their second rounder ie Pick 11 & 27 from 18 & Mclean - or atleast something similar to that.

Pick 11 for a ready-made player still only 23/24 is hardly "****ing themselves out of the draft". It is a fair deal for both parties IMO. He is not worth any more than that.

Also trade week is 12 days away, not a month out. The time to start preparing for trades/deals is now.

 

[Waspy79]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

I know a couple of MFC people and apparently Brock and Dean Bailey had a huge falling out after Brock confronted Dean regarding the tanking issue. A few 'heated' arguments later and Brock and Dean could no longer be working at the same club.

If this is true, does anyone else see the irony in the choice of club that Brock has requested to be traded to?!

 

[Invigoration]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

Should have drafted him in the first place, they made a big mistake taking walker ahead of him.

Mute point now, wtf is going on at Melbourne.

It is moot.

 

[Watt a gun!]

Re: Brock Mclean

Great deal benefitting both teams!
Leaves Melbourne absolutely poised to raid all the top talent from a relatively shallow draft or in the box seat to potentially trade for an upgrade in midfield i.e shaun burgoyne

 

[AG]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

People overrate draft picks so much it isn't funny. Here you have a proven young talent at AFL level, now Melbourne set themselves back 5 years and restart it all again, except this time they are potentially going to come up with the next JON.

I'd have to agree. The majority of draftees fail. I understand McLean wanted to go but Melbourne are the losers out of this deal at this stage. Carlton have done very well.

 

[crackersrulz]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

2010 the herald sun may the 1st headlines

fev and brock , in bar fight band for life from carlton

Didak and Shaw in drunken accident....

Guess which one is true....

 

[jonoman89]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

Carlton is proof that buying players doesnt equal premierships, I dont think anyone envies your club.

You do realise we have won 16 premierships and have been one of (if not the most) biggest poachers in VFL/AFL history.

Or maybe you don't.

Self-educate yourself Sonny Jim.

And that's right, I remember Carlton fans weren't at all dirty on Hamill when he left the Blues for more $$$.....

Hamill left because Elliot was a **** to him, not for money.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

This.
I'm a bit disappointed Collingwood didn't chase him TBH.

It is laughable that some people think Melbourne have somehow won out of this. It is undoubtedly due to Brock wanting to leave but it doesn't change the fact they have been completely ****ing stooped here.

Oh yeah, what a win for Melbourne, a future captain, top 5 draft pick, 5 years of development, proven performer at AFL level
= a six spot downgrade in a weak draft.

People overrate draft picks so much it isn't funny. Here you have a proven young talent at AFL level, now Melbourne set themselves back 5 years and restart it all again, except this time they are potentially going to come up with the next JON.
Travis Johnstone was worth pick 14, Ted Richards pick 19, Fergus Watts 17 and Nathan Lonie pick 14... Yet Melbourne's shining light, their best young midfielder and future leader is worth pick 11?
It is all well and good to get rid of an oldish Travis Johnstone in the hopes of bringing in some talented youth which Melbourne managed to do with Grimes, but trading talented youth to get that opportunity is hardly worth the risk.... It is a lucky dip more often than not.

What sort of precedent does it set? So now we can expect that after 5 years of developing this new kid Melbourne might be able to trade him off for say, pick 18 or 19? Would that be a win as well?

What an absolute rabble, hang your heads Melbourne, I dunno how you have managed it but Jesus, what a **** up.

Quoted for absolute truth

 

[Tulip]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

This.
I'm a bit disappointed Collingwood didn't chase him TBH.

It is laughable that some people think Melbourne have somehow won out of this. It is undoubtedly due to Brock wanting to leave but it doesn't change the fact they have been completely ****ing stooped here.

Oh yeah, what a win for Melbourne, a future captain, top 5 draft pick, 5 years of development, proven performer at AFL level
= a six spot downgrade in a weak draft.

People overrate draft picks so much it isn't funny. Here you have a proven young talent at AFL level, now Melbourne set themselves back 5 years and restart it all again, except this time they are potentially going to come up with the next JON.
Travis Johnstone was worth pick 14, Ted Richards pick 19, Fergus Watts 17 and Nathan Lonie pick 14... Yet Melbourne's shining light, their best young midfielder and future leader is worth pick 11?
It is all well and good to get rid of an oldish Travis Johnstone in the hopes of bringing in some talented youth which Melbourne managed to do with Grimes, but trading talented youth to get that opportunity is hardly worth the risk.... It is a lucky dip more often than not.

What sort of precedent does it set? So now we can expect that after 5 years of developing this new kid Melbourne might be able to trade him off for say, pick 18 or 19? Would that be a win as well?

What an absolute rabble, hang your heads Melbourne, I dunno how you have managed it but Jesus, what a **** up.

Hate to tell you, dumb****, he REQUESTED a trade. THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD DO

Harsh, I know,but next time read the article before coming to conclusions

 

[cammo78]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

is this year's draft really that bad that clubs are prepared to offload first round picks at the drop of a hat...?

 

[Leper Messiah]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

Going to be extremely painful to watch him play in another jumper, but if it was him initiating the move then I suppose pick 11 is OK with the circumstances.

Just speculating, but could be as he was talked up as the next captain and now with Jmac getting another year and guys like Grimes coming through he could've felt it passed him by.

Anyway great pickup by Carlton, had no preseason which is why he was a bit down all year... but with a solid summer and other quality mids around him I think we'll definitely see his best to come.

 

[new breed]

Re: Brock Mclean

Carlton trading , heard tonight on Perth sports radio that Chris Tarrant's manager talking to Carlton also!!!!

Cant see it happening Carlton going to run out out of draft picks to trade and Spangher now likely to stay with Eagles .

 

[SirJimi05]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

There are some whispers about that he is a bad egg, and has been tapped on the shoulder so to speak.

If that's the case, better that Bailey cleans out the closet now than in a few more years when some of your kids are up and about.

Some whispers? I thought this was common knowledge.

It is laughable that some people think Melbourne have somehow won out of this. It is undoubtedly due to Brock wanting to leave but it doesn't change the fact they have been completely ****ing stooped here.

At this stage no club has won out of this deal. Revisit it in 3 years.

Oh yeah, what a win for Melbourne, a future captain, top 5 draft pick, 5 years of development, proven performer at AFL level
= a six spot downgrade in a weak draft.

Dude, i don't care what anyone says, including Demon supporters, McLean is not captain material and would never have made skipper at the Dees. There is a lot more to being captain then just onfield stuff. Oh but wait, he donated 10k to the club!

People overrate draft picks so much it isn't funny. Here you have a proven young talent at AFL level, now Melbourne set themselves back 5 years and restart it all again, except this time they are potentially going to come up with the next JON.
Travis Johnstone was worth pick 14, Ted Richards pick 19, Fergus Watts 17 and Nathan Lonie pick 14... Yet Melbourne's shining light, their best young midfielder and future leader is worth pick 11?
It is all well and good to get rid of an oldish Travis Johnstone in the hopes of bringing in some talented youth which Melbourne managed to do with Grimes, but trading talented youth to get that opportunity is hardly worth the risk....

What sort of precedent does it set? So now we can expect that after 5 years of developing this new kid Melbourne might be able to trade him off for say, pick 18 or 19? Would that be a win as well?

What an absolute rabble, hang your heads Melbourne, I dunno how you have managed it but Jesus, what a **** up

Wow, you think veru highly of McLean don't you. Good player but i have the fealing you haven't watched much of him over the last few years? Hasn't done much to prove that he is going to be anything more than a pretty good player. Carlton gave up pick 11 because they have a need to fill not because he is a gun player. He has a few deficiencies but is a workhorse and should be a good fit for the Blues.

 

[roostersgal4eva]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

its the draft where GC get their hands on most of the tallent

 

[AG]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

is this year's draft really that bad that clubs are prepared to offload first round picks at the drop of a hat...?

Depends on what the club needs. Carlton don't need anymore young players, they have gun outside midfielders and McLean is a hard bodied, tough midfielder. If I was a Carlton supporter I would be extremely happy to give up pick 11 for him. Carlton now have to start getting more mature players to complement their youth. Their premiership window is around the corner and it is often the players you trade in who can make the difference. Sydney have done it well in the past. St Kilda have done it well recently with Schneider, Ray, Gardiner, King etc., all being mature recruits. It was the right move made by Carlton.

 

[theyellowsash]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

That was a disaster wasn't it ,Pattison,Polo,Meyer,Tambling.

bling is starting to look the goods (still only 22) and polo played most of the year. clubs have done much worse with picks better than number 20 (polo).

meyer was a waste and i cant believe they chose someone as immobile as patto. hes got a good brain, commitment to the contest and crazy endurance, but his skills arent good enough to make up for his epic slowness.

a strike rate of 1/2 top 20 picks becoming only a depth player or delisted is probably about the average. a star (lids), a guy who looks like he should become at least very good (bling) and a guy who is at worst a tough nut depth player (polo) is hardly the worst you could do. for that look at our 05 draft (jon, hughes, casserly...whoops)

 

[The Panther]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

Just don't have your end of season trip in Ios Carlton, he won't come back

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Re: Brock Mclean

I wonder if this trade is designed to make a serious play for Burgoyne?

They were never going to offer picks 1 or 2 but essentially, they could trade Brock (now pick 11) for Burgoyne?

The club has gotten on the front foot early and made public the decision so it doesn't get leaked to the media, and now they can publicly state that they have pick 11 to use as trade bait if they choose to.

Sounds like a positive and professional move by the Demons.

why would the Dees trade for SB as they can pick him in the PSD with there #1 selection

 

[3MELBOURNE6]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

**** i hate Carlton.

I don't get how people are saying melbourne are stupid to trade him, McLean is out of contract and wants to leave so there's not a lot we can do to stop him.

I think getting pick 11 for him is pretty good considering he's out of contract, but i'm still absolutely shattered that he's decided to leave(especially to Carlton....)

 

[King Elvis]

Re: McLean leaves Demons

I'm curious as to how Carlton can fit him into their salary cap?

 

[Watt a gun!]

Re: Brock Mclean

why would the Dees trade for SB as they can pick him in the PSD with there #1 selection

because port would trade him to someone else so that exact scenario won't occur..would be ideal for the demons though