Traded Brodie Grundy [Traded to Melbourne for #27]

[PieLebo87]

How is Mason Cox not ahead in the pecking order?

Because every man and his dog knows that a fit Grundy gets picked ahead of Cameron and Cox right now. We’d actually love to have him playing against the Swans tomorrow.

Grundy is up for trade when Mason Cox is not. Implies the Pies prefer to run with a Cameron/Cox combo in 2023 instead of a Cameron/Grundy combo.

It’s the value/return situation. Cameron and Cox combined would be costing Collingwood less than Grundy alone in 2023. Since going down, the Pies went 13-3 and made top 4 - they believe this combo would work again next year. In an ideal world, Grundy isn’t on $950k a year, because then it would remain as a Grundy/Cameron or Grundy/Cox combo in 2023.

I’m on the same page, I’d rather we put that $650k a year into a gorilla forward or/and another inside midfielder to support Adams.

 

[PieLebo87]

firstly, I think they are making a mistake by meeting with him and secondly, if Gawn gets injured he'll be useful. Other than that, I can only guess why they're keen on Grundy. Maybe they see Gawn as a forward. who knows.

I didn’t watch enough of Melbourne during the H&A but he didn’t have a clear run at it this year, did he? He has to have something that’s concerning the Dees about ‘23 and after for them to be going after Grundy. I don’t think the Gawn at FF is the logic, nor is the Grundy at FF idea.

 

[Mich0]

Because every man and his dog knows that a fit Grundy gets picked ahead of Cameron and Cox right now. We’d actually love to have him playing against the Swans tomorrow.

It’s the value/return situation. Cameron and Cox combined would be costing Collingwood less than Grundy alone in 2023. Since going down, the Pies went 13-3 and made top 4 - they believe this combo would work again next year. In an ideal world, Grundy isn’t on $950k a year, because then it would remain as a Grundy/Cameron or Grundy/Cox combo in 2023.

I’m on the same page, I’d rather we put that $650k a year into a gorilla forward or/and another inside midfielder to support Adams.

So do you think this value/return should be factored into any trade price then? I think it does.

 

[LBJ6]

To take 5 more years of Grundy's contract, even at $700k per annum, i'd want Collingwood to be trading us picks.

It's a hard no from me in any other scenario.

And a big lol to the Collingwood nuffie saying we will drop out of the flag window if we don't get Grundy. We will drop out if we don't do anything about our trash forwardline. In fact, if we get Grundy and are forced to play one of Gawn / Grundy forward next year, i'll bet my left nut we will be nowhere near the flag.

 

[PieLebo87]

So do you think this value/return should be factored into any trade price then? I think it does.

Do you think Grundy would be worth the same at a Hawthorn (retiring 1st ruck) or Port (no real ruck) vs a Fremantle (Darcy) or Gold Coast (Witts)?

Absolutely it should be factored, but each team will value him differently. It’s not as clear cut as you’d like it to be. I understand Collingwood has had a very public salary cap issue from 2 years ago, and Grundy is on a notoriously large contract, but that is just one aspect of the negotiating table, not the be all and end all, like so many supporters are claiming in this thread.

 

[philthy05]

Do you think Grundy would be worth the same at a Hawthorn (retiring 1st ruck) or Port (no real ruck) vs a Fremantle (Darcy) or Gold Coast (Witts)?

Port has real rucks. We had a debut ruck at the top end of stats for hitouts, hitout win percentage, hitouts to advantage.

Hinkley just chose not to play him, cause Hinkley is an idiot that would pick 22 small running or defensive players if he could get away with it.

 

[Mich0]

Do you think Grundy would be worth the same at a Hawthorn (retiring 1st ruck) or Port (no real ruck) vs a Fremantle (Darcy) or Gold Coast (Witts)?

Absolutely it should be factored, but each team will value him differently. It’s not as clear cut as you’d like it to be. I understand Collingwood has had a very public salary cap issue from 2 years ago, and Grundy is on a notoriously large contract, but that is just one aspect of the negotiating table, not the be all and end all, like so many supporters are claiming in this thread.

It’s irrelevant who the buyer is. It doesn’t change the value of something.

Do you think McDonald’s would charge a fat kid more for a Big Mac meal then they would a fitness freak? Price and value remains the same regardless who the buyer is.

 

[A Neita bath]

Do you think McDonald’s would charge a fat kid more for a Big Mac meal then they would a fitness freak?

Well - if there was only one said Big Mac Meal and it was legal for Mcdonalds to let them get into a bidding war...yes.

 

[Mich0]

Well - if there was only one said Big Mac Meal and it was legal for Mcdonalds to let them get into a bidding war...yes.

Fortunately for the Dees there is no bidding war in this case with no other clubs interested.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

It's not completely Treloar, but it has a similarity or three.

There's no doubt in my mind that Grundy is being shopped around to get his salary off the books. If he was being paid his current worth, or if Collingwood had the room to acquire its trade targets (McStay et al), then I have no doubt Grundy would stay.

But the difference is that there doesn't seem to be this unpleasant, fabricated psychological pressure to make his staying at Collingwood untenable. To be fair, it seems to be a pretty mutual parting.

What I don't get is why Grundy doesn't go to Hawthorn, the Dogs, Carlton or Geelong - Victorian-based clubs who are all crying out for an A-grade ruckman.

Carlton dont have the cap room..dogs have english and on geelong i assume he wants to live inner city and not commute to geelong.

 

[old55]

It’s irrelevant who the buyer is. It doesn’t change the value of something.

Do you think McDonald’s would charge a fat kid more for a Big Mac meal then they would a fitness freak? Price and value remains the same regardless who the buyer is.

That's not correct, and I'm not an economist.

A bottle of water in the desert. A lost dehydrated person values it higher and will pay a higher price than someone flying over the desert in a commercial plane.

 

[iameviljez]

Carlton dont have the cap room..dogs have english and on geelong i assume he wants to live inner city and not commute to geelong.

English is a great utility but a crap tap ruckman

 

[iameviljez]

It’s irrelevant who the buyer is. It doesn’t change the value of something.

Do you think McDonald’s would charge a fat kid more for a Big Mac meal then they would a fitness freak? Price and value remains the same regardless who the buyer is.

It changes what someone will pay for it, though. Your example is a bit skew off because there are infinitely many Big Macs.

Lachie Weller is a case in point. Freo made out like bandits simply because Gold Coast were so desperate to arrest the exodus.

 

[PieLebo87]

That's not correct, and I'm not an economist.

A bottle of water in the desert. A lost dehydrated person values it higher and will pay a higher price than someone flying over the desert in a commercial plane.

Mind you, Grundy has apparently said he isn’t interested in going interstate, so the fact there aren’t (supposedly) other bidders has absolutely nothing to do with his contract.

 

[danster168]

Taking Gawn out of the ruck makes him a largely ineffective player.

Taking English out of the ruck makes him an even more effective player than he currently is.

You’re right.

English is good around the ground in the ruck. If you put him forward, he'd be less effective.

 

[danster168]

By the admission of your own supporters Gawn is struggling and his body can’t cope with full time Rucking.
So if WB offer a 1st Rounder, then you’d be silly to pass on Grundy by not upping your offer.

LOL. you do realise he was the All-Australian ruck yeah? I can't talk on behalf of others but Gawn is probably the AA the next 3 years running if he is the solo ruck. He also has that thin, wiry frame that I personally feel will ensure that he has a very long career and play deep into his 30's.

 

[iameviljez]

By the admission of your own supporters Gawn is struggling and his body can’t cope with full time Rucking.
So if WB offer a 1st Rounder, then you’d be silly to pass on Grundy by not upping your offer.

WB offer doesn’t matter all that much if Grundy doesn’t want to go.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

It changes what someone will pay for it, though. Your example is a bit skew off because there are infinitely many Big Macs.

Lachie Weller is a case in point. Freo made out like bandits simply because Gold Coast were so desperate to arrest the exodus.

Weller before he sadly did his ACL has given the Suns solid service to be fair.

 

[Bald]

English is good around the ground in the ruck. If you put him forward, he'd be less effective.

I don’t think you know enough about him as a player to make that assessment.

 

[No SPIN]

WB offer doesn’t matter all that much if Grundy doesn’t want to go.

When the offer comes it maybe a different story, with his mate Treloar already there.

 

[iameviljez]

When offer come it maybe a different story, with his mate Treloar already there.

If the Dogs wanted him, they'd have already made the pitch. Nobody just waits for trade week any more.

 

[iameviljez]

Weller before he sadly did his ACL has given the Suns solid service to be fair.

He absolutely has, but Pick 2 was still too much. Doesn't help that it got Brayshaw in...

 

[No SPIN]

If the Dogs wanted him, they'd have already made the pitch. Nobody just waits for trade week any more.

We have no idea who’s spoken to whom, and relying on media reports is folly.

 

[iameviljez]

I thought Geelong would’ve been interested. With where our age demographic is he’s worth the risk

We were massively interested, but word is that he's gone with Melbourne. Perhaps it's because of the wages, perhaps it's wanting to stay metropolitan (fair enough).

 

[iameviljez]

We have no idea who’s spoken to whom, and relying on media reports is folly.

The last big trade that I can remember being a total surprise was Lance Franklin to Sydney. A lot of the rumours are clearly mill-spinning horseshit, but whenever there's any truth to be had, there's almost always a leak sprung.

More often than not, it's player agents who leak these things to build up the price for their new recruit.