Brownlow Medal 2011 (Part 2)

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Keep your counts and potential winners from teams in PM's only.

Seems like the best option forthwrite. I see the discussion continuing publicly though. Has the private forum reached it's member limit?

I would have presumed that constant posters would be invited across to leave the leechers to play with themselves come end of year. Letting them see info right up until round 24 is a lose-lose situation for us all regardless of whether you have Murphy leading or we have Judd (just as an example).
 
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Seems like the best option forthwrite. I see the discussion continuing publicly though. Has the private forum reached it's member limit?

I would have presumed that constant posters would be invited across to leave the leechers to play with themselves come end of year. Letting them see info right up until round 24 is a lose-lose situation for us all regardless of whether you have Murphy leading or we have Judd (just as an example).

Agreed I'm enjoying the discussion on this board atm. It gives me confidence in my count. Would hate for it to slow down again.
 
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Just because people haven't posted, does that exclude them from being able to share info, and expect it in return?

I have put together a game by game breakdown and would love to share ideas with blokes who are not leeches, what would be involved in setting up another private forum, or joining this forum being discussed already?
 

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Yeah I think people should start to PM any good info, in about 4 weeks I'll start PMs to people who have been posting all year.

In regards to Murphy v Judd v Pendles I honestly don't think this is particularly interesting from a betting perspective. I understand that people like trying to pick the brownlow winner but imo any markets with Judd are pretty much no-go zones. His 'range' of possible votes is something like 16-30. He is too short to back and it's too hard to know how the umpires will rate him this year imo.

The most team votes betting markets are more interesting, there looks to be value with about 6 or 7 of the clubs at the moment, my advice would be to not waste too much energy on predicting judd's votes.
 
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Yeah I think people should start to PM any good info, in about 4 weeks I'll start PMs to people who have been posting all year.

In regards to Murphy v Judd v Pendles I honestly don't think this is particularly interesting from a betting perspective. I understand that people like trying to pick the brownlow winner but imo any markets with Judd are pretty much no-go zones. His 'range' of possible votes is something like 16-30. He is too short to back and it's too hard to know how the umpires will rate him this year imo.

The most team votes betting markets are more interesting, there looks to be value with about 6 or 7 of the clubs at the moment, my advice would be to not waste too much energy on predicting judd's votes.

Agree with this, however I'm sure like most people they have bets on the winner already so it's interesting to see how the battle is going.

At this stage of the season I am taking a lot more notice of some teams than other teams, because of most team votes.

Judd's range is quite amazing, saw the heraldsun article where they are confident Judd is on 27:eek:. I thought I was being generous with my Judd votes.
 
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True about the leechers toward the end of the season.. I have been PM'ing a few blokes in this forum for most of the season and have gained valuable info from each of their input and hope they have gained from my counts.. we don't want the discussion to suffer from leechers, but we don't want to lose out on odds at the bookies because the leechers have capitalised on our hard work. I'm open to discussion via PM from now on, as long as i don't think ur a bookie. Also, when a pro posts in this forum, I take their input very seriously, as they were spot on last year! My count has a couple of differences from others, but thats what we're here for, to iron out the errors...
 
Just because people haven't posted, does that exclude them from being able to share info, and expect it in return?

I have put together a game by game breakdown and would love to share ideas with blokes who are not leeches, what would be involved in setting up another private forum, or joining this forum being discussed already?

I'm happy to join a private forum if someone knows how to set one up?

Get 10 or so of the regular posters to join and keep there posting on bigfooty to a minimal if not at all.

I think that's the best way to go about it.
 
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well, i am down for some pm's, i watch every match, i did my own count last year for the first time and got 16/16 (2 ties though) team leaders correct as well as many players within 2-3 votes of their final tallies. hoping im on the same path this season. happy to discuss anything brownlow with those doing their own counts and willing to share their thoughts.
 
Conversely, it wouldn't make much sense for us to give more people access to everything we have discussed and analysed over the year, this close to the end of the season.

There will probably be more invites at the start of next season, but I'm not in charge of that so I can't say for sure.

Regardless, it doesn't make a lot of sense to post all of your thoughts and analysis publicly if you've put much work into it.

This is particularly true as 50%+ of the posts in this thread that will come in the last 2-3 weeks will likely be from people who haven't posted all year.

Yeh that's fair enough mate, and it is getting late in the year. Just confused as I was told to forward my entire spreadsheet to you guys with no response about anything, that's all! Would have been nice to be informed.

Hopefully some of us can look forward to joining the private forum next year. Good luck for this year.
 
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Getting back on topic, thoughts on tonights match!

I can't see Juddy polling here, was very quiet in the first half and although pretty good in the second he was no where near his best (a few sleepless nights maybe?)

As for Murphy, I could see him poll here, he was great after quarter time and stood out with his play making through the middle. Won't surprise if he polls 1-2

I thought Yarran was close to BOG, along with Swallow (although he butchered the ball a few times) and Gibbsy with 4 also stood out. Wide open match polling wise imo
 
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Just because people haven't posted, does that exclude them from being able to share info, and expect it in return?

I have put together a game by game breakdown and would love to share ideas with blokes who are not leeches, what would be involved in setting up another private forum, or joining this forum being discussed already?

Agree with this. I have my own count but am reluctant to share too much publicly in this thread. Certainly would be happy to should another private forum be set up however. Discussing things via PM may be OK atm but will become tedious as more issues require discussion.

Bob, I wouldn't get your hopes up about being invited to the private forum. They already have enough guys who know what they are doing to bother recruiting more.
 
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Getting back on topic, thoughts on tonights match!

I can't see Juddy polling here, was very quiet in the first half and although pretty good in the second he was no where near his best (a few sleepless nights maybe?)

As for Murphy, I could see him poll here, he was great after quarter time and stood out with his play making through the middle. Won't surprise if he polls 1-2

I thought Yarran was close to BOG, along with Swallow (although he butchered the ball a few times) and Gibbsy with 4 also stood out. Wide open match polling wise imo

I too would be surprised if Judd polled. Average game.
I thought Gibbs and Swallow were clearly the two best and the one could go to any of Murphy/Scotland/Simpson.
 

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i will just say that Judd won't poll tonight!
I wouldn't be so sure. He dominated the last qtr and was a large reason they ended up winning the game in the last qtr. Could see him getting 1-2 votes.
 
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I really don't think Judd will poll tonight. Though he was quite good in the last quarter, I don't think he asserted himself enough over the rest of the game, and I noticed the umpires were particularly harsh on him tonight, I remember him getting pinged for holding the ball 3 or 4 times (even when he managed to get the ball out!).

I think votes will come out of Gibbs, Swallow, Simpson and Scotland. Don't see Judd there, and most of the Carlton board don't even have Judd in the best 5 for Carlton today
 
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True about the leechers toward the end of the season.. I have been PM'ing a few blokes in this forum for most of the season and have gained valuable info from each of their input and hope they have gained from my counts.. we don't want the discussion to suffer from leechers, but we don't want to lose out on odds at the bookies because the leechers have capitalised on our hard work. I'm open to discussion via PM from now on, as long as i don't think ur a bookie. Also, when a pro posts in this forum, I take their input very seriously, as they were spot on last year! My count has a couple of differences from others, but thats what we're here for, to iron out the errors...

The differences are good mate. We can discuss and analyse these differences to see whether we've been under/over-valuing certain players and giving them more/less votes than they should've got. Similar to other guys, I've been keeping my count relatively private but have been returning PMs. Will be happy to share with posters who have PMed me in the past or are contributors to this thread.

Re: tonights game. Only listened on radio so I will wait till I watch the game to give my votes but from what I gathered; Gibbs shone and played a big part in the win (I think at one point he had 50% of Carlton's goals). Votes could also go to Yarran and Swallow.
 
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If North had've pulled off a win I would've said pretty confidently 3 votes Swallow tonight - He seemed to be sticky taped to the ball all night. Butchered it occasionally but one of the few players to play 4 quarters of solid football. Next best was easily Gibbs. I can't split a few for the 1... I'd say it's between Yarran, Judd, Simpson and Scotland. I'll go with:
3. Swallow - not confident but I think he deserves it
2. Gibbs - could potentially poll the 3 ahead of swallow
1. Yarran - looked dangerous whenever he had it, and continued to find himself paddocks of space to run and bounce in.
 
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I've been keeping a personal count the past couple of years and agree that for the sake of things, come brownlow time, its in everyones best interests to keep things to PMs, and if that means initiating a PF for the posters on this board then so be it.
 
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The most team votes betting markets are more interesting, there looks to be value with about 6 or 7 of the clubs at the moment, my advice would be to not waste too much energy on predicting judd's votes.
I look forward to seeing how Judd polls this year with all the talk on how 'easily' he polls after last season and whether that will affect the umpires judgement of him. I thought that there may be a bit of a correlation with his frees for/against from this season and last but it won't really be possible to tell until after the count. I was looking at it the other night and for memory his frees for had dropped by 25% and his frees against had risen by 15 odd %. Although these figures are around 1-2 a game so they are not exactly that high and may not be the best factor to look at to see how/if at all the umpire changes the way they vote on a player. Again, there is still 6 matches (not including the one against North as I didn't look at the stats for that one when I did the above) which could change these stats to make them more level with last season or stretch it out.

Again, this is a rather small stat as not all frees for or against Judd are given 'because he's Judd' as lots are deserved so it might not play a big factor at all but I look forward to comparing that at the end of the season...

Bob, I wouldn't get your hopes up about being invited to the private forum. They already have enough guys who know what they are doing to bother recruiting more.
Disagree with that, there is no such thing as having too many strong posters. If they like what they see I am sure they will be happy to recruit more for next season or at the end of this season (no idea how they recruit). But it's like anything, if there is a way to improve something then of course you will want to and by adding more members it would do this.
 
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Initial impression:

Swallow 2.5 (3)
Gibbs 2 (2)
Simpson 0.5 (1)
Yarran 0.5
Scotland 0.25
Judd 0.25 - thought he was good in the 2nd half
 
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ahhh finally got to watch a full game.

3. Gibbs
2. Swallow
1. Scotland

Gibbs with 4 goals will be hard to miss for the 3 all tho Swallow was very good Carlton still won the game so the 2 goes to him and Scotland gets the 1, did stand out tonight with some very good contested marks.
 
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Couldn't agree with you guys more on this:

3) Gibbs
2) Swallow
1) Scotland

I thought Gibbs was great all night, kicked 4 goals and his run was excellent. Swallow was just in and under all night, to me he was the only Roo really giving it go (or at least having a solid game). As for the 1, it could be raffled between Murphy and Scotland. If Judd polled here, I'd be surprised. He only had the 3 disposals at quarter time and I don't think he was the main reason Carlton won the game.

(On a side note, how good was Duigan's mark when he ran back with the flight of the ball, courageous!)

I feel a little on edge reading some of these comments about "leaches". I only recently joined up (July 2011) but ever since I've joined up I've given my opinions on a variety of topics. When I signed up, I felt this thread was dieing, there was very little contribution but I'm glad it has picked up again. I've kept a count all year and I'm willing to share with whoever feels like they want to compare. I don't want people categorising me (and some others on this forum) as leaches just because we haven't been around all season. Some of us have had circumstances beyond our control, limiting our access to boards such as this. My view is that it would be unfair of some of us to sign up and not contribute. Those who contribute are fine in my book.

Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss/compare votes/team leaders etc. I haven't figured out a way to send my spreadsheet so I'll just have to give tallys.
 

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