Updated Bruce Lehrmann Pt2 * ACT Bar clears former DPP head Shane Drumgold of misconduct

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1

Historical Rape Allegation Against Fmr AG Christian Porter
The Alexander Matters matters

Just a reminder, this is the crime board and we need to be aware that there will be victims of crime either watching this thread or engaging in here from time to time. A degree of respect in all discussions is expected.

LINK TO TIMELINE
CJS INQUIRY
FINAL REPORT – BOARD OF INQUIRY – CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM
Joint media statement – Chief Minister and Attorney-General



FIONA BROWN - AFFIDAVIT

 

[CM86]

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Imagine if you'd spent as much time thinking about your own questions, as you did avoiding it.


All just a collection of fortuitous coincidences that just happen to protect the poor little Government from the all powerful bully, Higgins.

Higgins is the real problem.​

Sofronoff, Reynolds etc all leaking to the media is good and just.​

Higgins going to the media is bad and unjustifiable. It's Higgins fault that we don't believe she was r*ped!​

The only semblance of justice Higgins has ever had, is because she went to the media. And she will never stop being punished for it.

It's disgusting to think how many Australians would celebrate if Higgins ever committed suicide.

 

[jason_recliner]

Imagine if you'd spent as much time thinking about your own questions, as you did avoiding it.


All just a collection of fortuitous coincidences that just happen to protect the poor little Government from the all powerful bully, Higgins.

Higgins is the real problem.​

Sofronoff, Reynolds etc all leaking to the media is good and just.​

Higgins going to the media is bad and unjustifiable. It's Higgins fault that we don't believe she was r*ped!​

The only semblance of justice Higgins has ever had, is because she went to the media. And she will never stop being punished for it.

It's disgusting to think how many Australians would celebrate if Higgins ever committed suicide.

Why do you think it hasn't been completed? Who/what do you think is preventing it being completed?

 

[CM86]

Why do you think it hasn't been completed? Who/what do you think is preventing it being completed?

You answer your question first.

Because I'll give you my answer, but you'll never give yours.

Unless your framing of the question is deliberate, in that you're trying to just say it's the current Government 'preventing it being completed'.
But no one could be that gutless and pathetic, right?

 

[jason_recliner]

You answer your question first.

Because I'll give you my answer, but you'll never give yours.

Unless your framing of the question is deliberate, in that you're trying to just say it's the current Government 'preventing it being completed'.
But no one could be that gutless and pathetic, right?

I've already said I don't know why it wasn't completed.

 

[CM86]

I've already said I don't know why it wasn't completed.

Your question is about what you THINK, not what you KNOW.

I shouldn't need to explain your own question to you.

I'm so sick of the spineless dishonesty of so many people on these forums.

 

[jason_recliner]

Your question is about what you THINK, not what you KNOW.

I shouldn't need to explain your own question to you.

I'm so sick of the spineless dishonesty of so many people on these forums.

I guess the investigation didn't find anything of interest/consequence so finalising the report isn't a priority and the resources were allocated elsewhere.

 

[BFew]

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/bruce-lehrmann-wants-seven-figure-payment-to-compensate-for-rapist-finding-court/news-story/7d4052c602f84e51d54a133fcf75b908

'Bruce Lehrmann wants ‘seven figure’ payment to compensate for rapist finding: court'​

'October 17, 2024 - 7:02PM
...
Lehrmann’s solicitor Zali Burrows, in documents released by the court on Thursday as part of a proposed appeal, described that estimation as inadequate and said he should be awarded a six to seven figure sum.

“$20,000 for a false charge of rape is manifestly inadequate and (Lehrmann) should be awarded either a seven-figure sum or at least hundreds of thousands of dollars,” Burrows said.
...

 

[BFew]

Young People Agree to Total Ban on Internet After Terms ‘Bruce Lehrmann’ and ‘OnlyFans’ Mentioned in Same Sentence — The Shovel

“We’re calling on the Government to shut down the world wide web and all internet connectivity immediately"

theshovel.com.au

'Young People Agree to Total Ban on Internet After Terms ‘Bruce Lehrmann’ and ‘OnlyFans’ Mentioned in Same Sentence'​

...
'Meanwhile Lehrmann’s lawyers say they are considering an OnlyFans account for their client whereby users would pay not to see his content. “We think the us could raise considerable funds very quickly”.'

 

[Underarrest_]

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/bruce-lehrmann-wants-seven-figure-payment-to-compensate-for-rapist-finding-court/news-story/7d4052c602f84e51d54a133fcf75b908

'Bruce Lehrmann wants ‘seven figure’ payment to compensate for rapist finding: court'​

'October 17, 2024 - 7:02PM
...
Lehrmann’s solicitor Zali Burrows, in documents released by the court on Thursday as part of a proposed appeal, described that estimation as inadequate and said he should be awarded a six to seven figure sum.

“$20,000 for a false charge of rape is manifestly inadequate and (Lehrmann) should be awarded either a seven-figure sum or at least hundreds of thousands of dollars,” Burrows said.
...

Just when you thought you’d heard everything....

 

[jason_recliner]

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/bruce-lehrmann-wants-seven-figure-payment-to-compensate-for-rapist-finding-court/news-story/7d4052c602f84e51d54a133fcf75b908

'Bruce Lehrmann wants ‘seven figure’ payment to compensate for rapist finding: court'​

'October 17, 2024 - 7:02PM
...
Lehrmann’s solicitor Zali Burrows, in documents released by the court on Thursday as part of a proposed appeal, described that estimation as inadequate and said he should be awarded a six to seven figure sum.

“$20,000 for a false charge of rape is manifestly inadequate and (Lehrmann) should be awarded either a seven-figure sum or at least hundreds of thousands of dollars,” Burrows said.
...

Somebody needs to remind Leerman that's it's not a false charge.

 

[Satan]

Somebody needs to remind Leerman that's it's not a false charge.

criminally yes

 

[Kurve]

criminally yes

How could the criminal charges be false? Lehrmann wasn't acquitted, the trial fell apart and with Lee later finding the DPP was correct in pursuing a conviction.

 

[Lady O]

How could the criminal charges be false? Lehrmann wasn't acquitted, the trial fell apart and with Lee later finding the DPP was correct in pursuing a conviction.

Charges were dropped.

 

[Kurve]

Charges were dropped.

The DPP chose not to take him to trial again, this happens all the time. We commonly enough see it when victims of DV make a statement, someone gets charged and then the pressure on them is too much and they don't follow through.

It doesn't mean they were not a victim of assault.

 

[Lady O]

The DPP chose not to take him to trial again, this happens all the time. We commonly enough see it when victims of DV make a statement, someone gets charged and then the pressure on them is too much and they don't follow through.

It doesn't mean they were not a victim of assault.

Or that the person who's charges were dropped was guilty.

 

[jason_recliner]

Or that the person who's charges were dropped was guilty.

No, he was found to be guilty in a later civil trial. It's really simple.

 

[Lady O]

No, he was found to be guilty in a later civil trial. It's really simple.

Not really. The standard of 'beyond reasonable doubt' doesn't apply at a civil trial.

 

[Kurve]

Not really. The standard of 'beyond reasonable doubt' doesn't apply at a civil trial.

Lehrmann might have had a case if it was determined to be a malicious prosecution but it wasn't.

 

[jason_recliner]

Not really. The standard of 'beyond reasonable doubt' doesn't apply at a civil trial.

Did you watch the trial? The evidence was overwhelming. Beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Festerz]

Lehrmann might have had a case if it was determined to be a malicious prosecution but it wasn't.

And again a reminder that the jury was asked to find Lehrmann either Guilty or Not Guilty by unanimous verdict as was required for criminal trials under ACT legislation prevailing at the time.

They found neither before a mistrial was declared due to juror misconduct in October 2022

The DPP said he still believed there was a reasonable prospect of conviction at a second trial. But decided that a retrial would be against the public interest in proceeding, given a retrial would pose a “significant and unacceptable risk to the life of the complainant”.

Since that Lerhmann trial, in April this year the ACT Government has subsequently enacted legislation for criminal trials where courts may now accept a verdict if 11 out of 12 jurors agree, minimising the risk of hung juries and retrials.

 

[Festerz]

Not really. The standard of 'beyond reasonable doubt' doesn't apply at a civil trial.

Care to tell us what the difference between the terms' beyond reasonable doubt' and 'balance of probabilities' is for a juror? In a few words.

Because, as happened in the Lehrmann rape trial, I can assure you that most juries struggle with the term 'reasonable doubt', let alone the difference between that and 'balance of probabilities'.

There was damning evidence of Lehrmann's guilt presented at Lehrmann's defamation trial that was not presented at his rape trial - including extensive CCTV footage of what happened at the bars prior to the visit to Parliament House - including the phantom credit card revelation. There was also comprehensive evidence presented at the defamation trial from a forensic toxicologist as to the extent of the inebriation of Ms Higgins that provided irrefutable evidence on the issue of informed consent. These chain of events were critical to Justice Lee finding that 'Bruce Lehrmann r*ped Brittany Higgins' and anyone who watched the defamation trial or have read Lee's findings would be in no doubt that a jury, if presented with the same comprehensive evidence, would have reached the same conclusion as Justice Lee.

The fact is that the AFP and the ACT DPP do not have the budget and resources to put together a comprehensive suite of compelling evidence to convict an alleged rapist in a criminal trial as corporate giants like Network Ten have at their disposal to defend their corporate reputation in a multi-million dollar civil trial. That is the reality of the imbalance of our justice system, especially in relation to sexual assault crimes.

We can all be thankful at the lack of self awareness and humility of Bruce Lehrmann that saw him “Having escaped the lion's den of a rape trial, made the mistake of coming back for his hat” via a defamation action. It has allowed all of Australia to see him for what he was and is, despite the best efforts of Kerry Stokes' Channel Seven , Janet Albrechtsen and others.

The Federal Court found that Bruce Lehrmann r*ped Brittany Higgins in Parliament House in 2019. And he is back in court in coming days for the alleged rape of another woman in Toowoomba in 2021. There have been other claims made against him by other women which have not been tested in court. His character has been exposed in the most public and transparent of ways.

Those are the facts.

And yet you keep trying to push the case for Lehrmann's innocence by using obfuscation and ignoring the facts of what has transpired since. Why is that I wonder?

 

[Festerz]

And yet another reminder how victims of sexual assault and violence are treated years after their claims are proven in court and they dare to stand up for themselves and other victims. Almost always the perpetrators of the ongoing abuse - both male and female - are from the far right, why is that?

The message is clear - be quiet, don't make waves, don't report the abuse, accept the sexual assault as part of life, be demure or we will come after you for daring to speak out publicly. Your partner, your friends, your children are our property now.

 

[Festerz]

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[BFew]

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[BFew]

About Rob and Cate.

Australian parliamentary services boss denies romantic relationship with deputy despite declaring conflict of interest

Rob Stefanic tells Senate he declared a conflict of interest over ‘close friendship’ with subordinate due to ‘gossip’

www.theguardian.com

'Australian parliamentary services boss denies romantic relationship with deputy despite declaring conflict of interest​

Rob Stefanic tells Senate he declared a conflict of interest over ‘close friendship’ with subordinate due to ‘gossip’
Tue 28 May 2024 18.55 AEST'