Buckley > Hird > Voss

[doppleganger]

Players who have single handed won a GF from their own performance.
Hart 1
Voss 1
Black 1

Buckley 0

Have a nice day.

it is 22 players who win u a grand final

brizzy lions 22 >>>> collingwood 22

yet buckley led a much weaker squad to almost pinch a flag!

 

[doppleganger]

Lions vs Collingwood

Lions - 14 wins as captain
Collingwood - 3 wins as captain



Grandfinals

Voss - 3 wins and 1 loss as captain
Buckley - 2 losses as captain.



playing

yeah am aware that brisbane have had a much better overall team then collingwood

look at individual performances, buckley played well against the brions, voss was below his career averages against the pies

buckley has played in 3 grand finals
been bog in two of them, and one of his sides best in an absolute smashing,

voss has played in 4
been his sides best 1, a good player in 01, quiet in 03never been bog, went missing when they actually lost

if people cant seperate team from individual u have issues

 

[Darealrath]

2006:

Career:

Conclusion:

Buckley > Hird > Voss

Hird only played 10 minutes vs Carlton, which obviously skews his stats. He was playing just as well as Buckley has this season before that.

Pretty pathetic how some are rubbishing Voss (and Hird) on what they're doing now when they're clearly past their best (though Hird especially is still playing great footy when he's there). No one in their right mind should be making career judgements on what's happening now. I doubt anyone thinks any less of Carey for his lack of dominance at the end of his career.

 

[doppleganger]

2006:

Career:

Conclusion:

Buckley > Hird > Voss

the most interesting thing is that voss this year is performing at pretty much the same level as he had over his entire career..........he hasn't really dropped off much at all, just was never in the same league as the others

 

[Warwick]

He produces in the big games. Unfortunately he never played a lot of them because his career was spent surrounded by the likes of:

B: Luke Godden Scott Crow Jon Hassall
HB: Kent Butcher Mark Richaardson Frankie Raso
C: Stephen Paterson Shane Watson Mark Fraser
HF: Tony Woods Ben Kinnear Brad Rowe
FF: Alex McDonald Brent Tuckey Paul Sharkey
R: Matthew Francis Jason Wild Chris Curran

That's the calibre of players Buckley was surrounded by the majority of his career at Collingwood,

Now who's fault was that???

"I want to play finals".

 

[Zeke]

"I want to play finals".

I dare any opposition supporter to locate a source or transcript of Nathan Buckley uttering those words.

Good luck.

 

[F/D]

it is 22 players who win u a grand final

brizzy lions 22 >>>> collingwood 22

yet buckley led a much weaker squad to almost pinch a flag!

And I nearly F*CKED Mariah Carey!!!


Key word nearly.

 

[F/D]

I dare any opposition supporter to locate a source or transcript of Nathan Buckley uttering those words.

Good luck.

Maybe Buckley didnt say it, but it was common knowledge.

Becoming A Magpie
Buckley moved from Brisbane to Collingwood after a season with the former, leaving with the belief he more chance of winning a premiership with the Magpies. Ironically, Brisbane would beat Collingwood in two consecutive AFL Grand Finals in 2002 and 2003.

http://www.answers.com/topic/nathan-buckley

 

[MickZu]

So it's settled.

Voss/Hird>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Buckley

I luv these debates they are so entertaining, until the next one!!

Cheers

 

[Grimreepah]

yeah am aware that brisbane have had a much better overall team then collingwood

if people cant seperate team from individual u have issues

Presenting those stats is superfluous. It doesn't take acount of time spent on the field, the position they play, the style of play (eg. possession footy). Maybe Collingwood have relied on Buckley too much, which boosts his stats, but is detrimental to the team. That's why success should be considered because your efforts are wasted if it is not part of a winning gameplan.

The stats also don't accurately represent the influence that the players exert on a match. The reason why Voss (and Brown) are rated highly is because of their ability to impose themselves on a match. This might be a couple of strong tackles or a desperate spoil and 2nd effort or a freakish handball out of the pack. This not only can create a goal out of nothing, but it can also change the course of the match. These types of things are why fans opinions are more accurate than stats, because stats don't take that into account.

 

[Sedat!]

Stats are over-rated. See also "Jonathon Brown Conspiracy" thread for more proof. Matt Connell averaged 20+odd possessions a game for Adelaide in 1997-8. Going by the "stats mean everything" rule book, that would make him one of the key match-winners for Adelaide when they went back to back.

 

[Cogz24]

Your a moron Zeke

every single one of your posts about Player A > Player B just regurgitates their stats from some Fing website

Do you actally watch games of footy, or just pluck stats where u can find them

Oh and i find it hard to sperate the three, I would just leave it as they are champions of the game/

Who gives a **** whos better then who??

 

[SydneyBomber]

No one in their right mind should....

zeke does not seem to have a 'right mind'.

this is obvious by the amount of these threads that he keeps starting, and the amount of time he keeps getting bitchslapped in them.

stats do not (alone) prove that player a is better than player b.
is it really that hard to understand? FFS!

interesting to note that it looks like all non-pies supporters have pretty much gone with voss/hird > buckley.
yet again.

please take the hint.

 

[souvo_fc]

Zeke = brainless

Voss > not by much Hird > Bucks

Voss - 3 GF wins

Hird - 1GF or is it 2, did he play in 93? not sure!

Bucks = 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (could hvae had 3 and i think 4 if he stayed at the bears, but left to 'play premiership footy' lol)


Stats dont mean everything, all have brownlows so are pretty much even,, voss has had more luck

Dont forget Harvey

2 Brownlows, ok no GF's but averages 25possies a week for his whole career!!

 

[souvo_fc]

Buckley has had a far more productive (personally) career than the other two.

The others have had better cattle surrounding them, too.

if your going on that line, then robert harvey has had a better career.. average 'cattle' like bucks, but produced 1 more brownloaw and better stats!

 

[Zeke]

if your going on that line, then robert harvey has had a better career.. average 'cattle' like bucks, but produced 1 more brownloaw and better stats!

Harvey is a champion, absolute gun.

But no one wants to talk about him, ok?

 

[understudy]

All champions, anyone who who disrespects any of their achievements, as plenty have done in this thread, is a complete moron.

 

[Ari]

So it's settled.

Voss/Hird>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Buckley

I luv these debates they are so entertaining, until the next one!!

Cheers

That's how the order always ends up.....

 

[Ari]

Hird - 1GF or is it 2, did he play in 93? not sure!

Hird was in the 93 GF team yes.... but he didnt captain and was a kid so, while still a contributor, was a passenger to the leadership on the ground.

 

[Ari]

Harvey is a champion, absolute gun.

But no one wants to talk about him, ok?

 

[Armageddon]

Voss > Hird >> Buckley OBVIOUSLY.

The difference ? Buckley will never win a Premiership so Zeke take that rock out of your arse, you are startign to spout crap again.

Oh.... the guy who wants to sack Sheedy with a massive football knowledge, what an intelligent guy. Missing your fiance as well?

 

[loki04]

Who the players rate http://www.aflpa.com.au/index.cfm?menuid=D2B025FC-0158-3DFC-4F16358B8D4390B1

Lock this thread!!!!!!

Go back before the lions dominant era and Voss would not be in that list , it is easy to go as a player Brisbane are awesome Voss is there captain so he deserves the award.


Popularity contest = MVP

 

[don4eva]

Go back before the lions dominant era and Voss would not be in that list , it is easy to go as a player Brisbane are awesome Voss is there captain so he deserves the award.


Popularity contest = MVP

Voss is a champion, anyone who thinks otherwise or that Voss didn't deserve awards he got is a fool.

It would be much harder dominating as an individual when you're playing in a team of champions like Brisbane 02,03,04 like Voss did.

 

[Captain_Brown_7]

2006:

Career:

Conclusion:

Buckley > Hird > Voss

Conclusion:

You forgot to mention how many premierships each of them has won!

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Player MT K H D Avg M Avg HO Avg T Avg FF FA G Avg B SC Rat Avg
Cameron Bruce 10 139 91 230 23 83 8.3 3 0.3 41 4.1 12 11 13 1.3 8 86 1080 108
Nathan Buckley 9 146 65 211 23.4 73 8.1 0 0 21 2.3 11 8 15 1.7 5 95 953 105.9
Bruce > Buckley