Buddy's developing place on the All-Time Ladder

[ipk086]

Great thread ! Love stats

 

[FisherHawk]

Good thread mate. Well done

I can't believe he's about to pass Q Lynch. Buddy has 67 games (182 goals) to Lynch's 117 and 186 goals.

Here's some more silly stats.

At this rate, Buddy will have 319 goals by 117 games. And that’s assuming he will only travel at his career avg of 2.74 goals per game between now and then. If he continued his current 08 avg of 5.36, he would have 450 goals at the 117 game mark.

That would make him in 57th spot for the most goals ever at the age of 23. Only 14 goals behind Dermie.

Buddy should join the 200 club by round 16.

Now that would be an amazing effort considering Hudson had about 498 goals after 117 games.

The only difference is that Huddo has done it. Buddy has yet to do it.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Well, it seems I've been beaten to the punch...was waiting for the melbourne & collingwood scores to update but regardless,

Buddy is in the top 400 of all time!

Catapulting himself 34 places this week to # 374-his biggest jump in a long time

He is #27 at Hawthorn (just 8 goals behind a recent FF)

This is who he has surpassed this week, a couple of big names...

375 183 Darcy, L. 226 1994 Footscray/W Bulldogs
376 182 Flanagan, F. 163 1946 Geelong
377 182 Townsend, J. 153 1962 Melbourne
378 182 Waters, T. 163 1963 Collingwood
379 182 Daffy, N. 166 1992 Richmond/Sydney
380 181 Merrick, B. 59 1919 Fitzroy
381 181 Brittingham, B. 172 1943 Essendon
382 181 Johnson, S.* 98 2002 Geelong
383 180 Caine, F. 102 1905 Carlton/Essendon
384 180 Strang, D. 64 1931 Richmond
385 180 Williams, B. 124 1945 Sth Melb
386 180 Clarke, J. 263 1951 Essendon
387 180 Adams, F. 164 1953 Melbourne
388 180 Pickering, M. 157 1961 Nth Melb/Richmond/Melbourne
389 180 McConville, P. 194 1978 Carlton/St Kilda
390 180 Chapman, P.* 145 2000 Geelong
391 179 Galt, R. 123 1971 St Kilda/Carlton
392 179 Kickett, D. 152 1989 Nth Melb/Essendon/Sydney
393 179 Ablett, G.* 135 2002 Geelong
394 178 Collins, A. 99 1939 Footscray
395 178 McCarthy, J. 163 1986 Nth Melb/Fitzroy
396 178 Starcevich, C. 144 1987 Collingwood/Bris Bears
397 178 Holland, B.* 190 1996 Richmond/Melbourne
398 178 Waterhouse, C. 106 1996 Fremantle
399 177 Hart, S. 273 1990 Bris Bears/Bris Lions
400 177 Pickett, B. 204 1997 Port Adel/Melbourne/Nth Melb
401 177 Mooney, C.* 154 1999 Geelong/Kangaroos
402 176 Sudholz, J. 86 1966 Sth Melb
403 176 Judge, K. 89 1983 Hawthorn/Bris Bears
404 175 Rowell, T. 189 1901 Collingwood
405 175 Hughes, L. 225 1908 Collingwood
406 175 Libbis, B. 178 1925 Collingwood/Melbourne
407 175 Teasdale, G. 141 1973 Richmond/Sth Melb/Collingwood
408 175 Jess, J. 223 1976 Richmond
409 175 Scott, M. 78 1978 Hawthorn/St Kilda/Fitzroy

 

[Buddy Hero]

bahaha
mooney again!
brilliant

 

[thatswhatimtalkinabout]

Good thread mate. Well done

I can't believe he's about to pass Q Lynch. Buddy has 67 games (182 goals) to Lynch's 117 and 186 goals.

Here's some more silly stats.

At this rate, Buddy will have 319 goals by 117 games. And that’s assuming he will only travel at his career avg of 2.74 goals per game between now and then. If he continued his current 08 avg of 5.36, he would have 450 goals at the 117 game mark.

That would make him in 57th spot for the most goals ever at the age of 23. Only 14 goals behind Dermie.

Buddy should join the 200 club by round 16.

Now that would be an amazing effort considering Hudson had about 498 goals after 117 games.

The only difference is that Huddo has done it. Buddy has yet to do it.

Buddy's ave goals per season;

2005 - 1.1 per game
2006 - 2.2 per game
2007 - 3.3 per game
2008 - 5.3 per game.

While their is no doubt that the current rules favor the forward and we should all recognise that Buddy still has plenty of room for improvement, it's a wonderful start.

But looking at that stat for Suma earlier, it pays to keep a lid on things and deal with what we know and what is done - not what might or should happen.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Buddy moved just the 2 places this week (+ Chappy shaded again)

Up to # 372 (And equal with Aaron Lord)

373 184 Duperouzel, B. 164 1974 St Kilda/Footscray
374 184 Chapman, P.* 146 2000 Geelong
375 184 Jones, C.* 136 2001 Kangaroos/Nth Melb

 

[Harry Yorkie]

Buddy's ave goals per season;

2005 - 1.1 per game
2006 - 2.2 per game
2007 - 3.3 per game
2008 - 5.3 per game.

While their is no doubt that the current rules favor the forward and we should all recognise that Buddy still has plenty of room for improvement, it's a wonderful start.

But looking at that stat for Suma earlier, it pays to keep a lid on things and deal with what we know and what is done - not what might or should happen.

It should be noted that Sumich was 21 years of age in his first season having played senior footy at WAFL level, the same age as Buddy is now. So more realistically Sumich 45, Buddy 60 and counting

 

[buddyhawks23]

can mods make this thread a sticky ?

im bumping it back up
i think it is a great idea,
and something that shouldnt go unnoticed

great to keep a track of buddys progress

 

[apiro]

Hey fellow Hawks, as someone who has spent most working days reading these boards but rarely posting, you may not know me (my first thread);

Anyway, as someone who enjoys the little things about our game and most importantly, the feats of Hawthorn players, I was toying with a (somewhat trivial) idea. I thought I would post, week-by-week, Buudy's place on the Alltime VFL/AFL Goalkicking list, so we can see him overtake our favourite/hated/current players and see the unfolding of what place in history he takes.

For example, this week:

Buddy moved to # 408 on the All-Time List with 175 goals

This week he overtook:
409 174 Alves, S.266 1965 Melbourne/Nth Melb
410 174 Bruns, N.223 1978 Geelong
411 174 Richardson, M.156 1983 Collingwood/Essendon/Bris Bears
412 174 Bayes, M.246 1985 Sydney
413 174 Gleeson, A. 176 1986 Carlton
414 174 Hall, T. 114 1988 Hawthorn/Adelaide
415 174 Lappin, N.* 279 1994 Bris Lions/Bris Bears
416 173 Mensch, D. 158 1992 Geelong
417 172 Bairstow, M. 146 1987 Geelong
418 172 Campbell, W. 297 1991 Richmond
419 172 Johnson, C. 264 1994 Bris Lions/Fitzroy
420 171 Cooper, R. 159 1932 Carlton/Nth Melb
421 171 Ross, J. 139 1946 St Kilda
422 171 Branton, R. 170 1953 Richmond
423 171 McGowan, B. 118 1955 Sth Melb
424 171 Elshaug, T. 137 1979 Melbourne/Essendon/Collingwood
425 171 Buhagiar, T. 108 1981 Essendon/Footscray
426 171 Heatley, J. 63 1995 West Coast/St Kilda
427 170 Harvey, M. 206 1984 Essendon
428 170 Broderick, P. 262 1988 Fitzroy/Richmond
429 170 Edwards, T.* 276 1995 Adelaide
430 170 Mooney, C.* 153 1999 Geelong/Kangaroos

Is this a something you guys are interested in? I can do it anyway you like, say 3 players above and below? only when he ovetakes current players? Hawks? Big names? etc.

If this is boring, that's fine too!

This is good stuff Guardian, please keep it up each week.

Just as it is here is great.

Nice to have additions from my perspective is his position on Hawks list and alert when this changes. Also, who's ahead of him on table, say next 10.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Buddy still at #372, overtaking the footballers below, but being caught by Chapman and Jones (the battle is on!)

373 185 Johnstone, N. 228 1944 Fitzroy
374 185 Lord, A. 150 1994 Geelong/Hawthorn

Apiro, these are the next ten:
362 189 Didak, A.* 133 2001 Collingwood
363 188 Hands, K. 211 1945 Carlton
364 187 Eason, B. 220 1902 Geelong
365 187 McNamara, D. 122 1905 St Kilda
366 187 McGuinness, T. 222 1986 Footscray/Adelaide
367 186 Davie, H. 58 1924 Melbourne/Carlton
368 186 Lewis, D. 182 1990 Sydney
369 186 Burgoyne, P.* 221 1997 Port Adel
370 186 Jones, C.* 137 2001 Kangaroos/Nth Melb
371 186 Lynch, Q.* 119 2002 West Coast

(Doing battle with Lynch this week)

This year, he has overtaken these Hawtrhorn goalkickers:
moving from #42 to #27
28 167 Green, J. 40 1934 Hawthorn
29 164 Young, G. 108 1956 Hawthorn
30 164 Martello, A. 223 1970 Hawthorn
31 159 Chick, D. 149 1996 Hawthorn
32 158 Judge, K. 72 1983 Hawthorn
33 145 Bohan, J. 131 1938 Hawthorn
34 144 Hall, T. 97 1988 Hawthorn
35 142 Ryan, J. 70 1929 Hawthorn
36 136 Lord, A. 93 1997 Hawthorn
37 135 Ablett, G. 202 1973 Hawthorn
38 133 Scott, D. 302 1967 Hawthorn
39 130 Dipierdomenico, R. 240 1975 Hawthorn
40 129 Goad, A. 138 1972 Hawthorn
41 129 Croad, T.* 172 1998 Hawthorn

 

[Hodgepodge]

Can somebody update the ladder?

 

[Boyler_Room]

No shit - he has more goals than C. Mooney. LOL.

Well considering he played a lot of his career in defence........

Wow. That explains a lot.

 

[Hodgepodge]

I certainly cannot find the goalkicking ladder @ allthestats.com anymore, apart from the top 100 goalkickers . . .

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

can mods make this thread a sticky ?

im bumping it back up
i think it is a great idea,
and something that shouldnt go unnoticed

great to keep a track of buddys progress

Agreed, I love it.


The memories also come flooding back of yester-year players that he passes.

 

[Hodgepodge]

if anybody can find the goalkicking ladder of all time, please slap me a link.

 

[MickyCrow]

This is an excellent thread. Well done to the dude doing it. I will be constantly vistiting this over the years (hopefully)

I may be an opposition supporter, but Im not one of these idiots who enjoy hanging shit on Buddy, I know hes going to be a champion of the game, and enjoy watching him at all times

It will be enjoyable watching him overtake the games greats over the years

Once again cheers and well done

 

[Ron The Bear]

After 69 games:

Rnk Player . . . . . . . Cb Year Gls
------------------------------------
. 1 Peter Hudson . . . . Ha 1970 388
. 2 John Coleman . . . . Es 1952 355
. 3 Sel Murray . . . . . Ka 1941 289
. 4 Ron Todd . . . . . . Co 1939 284
. 5 George Moloney . . . Ge 1934 279
. 6 Tony Modra . . . . . Ad 1996 278
.=7 Fred Fanning . . . . Me 1946 264
.=7 Michael Roach . . . .Ri 1981 264
.=7 Mark Jackson . . . . Ge 1984 264
.10 Jack Moriarty . . . .Fi 1927 262
.11 Peter McKenna . . . .Co 1970 261
.12 George Margitich . . Me 1934 259
.13 Lindsay White . . . .Ge 1945 258
.14 Brian Taylor . . . . Co 1986 257
.15 Simon Beasley . . . .WB 1985 255
.16 Bob Pratt . . . . . .Sy 1934 254
.17 Peter Sumich . . . . WC 1992 249
.18 Jason Dunstall . . . Ha 1988 248
.19 George Goninon . . . Ge 1953 247
.20 Warwick Capper . . . Sy 1987 244
.21 Saverio Rocca . . . .Co 1995 241
.22 Bill Mohr . . . . . .St 1932 237
.23 Claude Curtin . . . .Fi 1946 236
.24 Kelvin Templeton . . WB 1978 234
=25 Doug Wade . . . . . .Ge 1965 232
=25 Gary Ablett . . . . .Ge 1987 232
.27 Tom Reynolds . . . . Es 1941 229
=28 Eddie Hart . . . . . Fi 1950 226
=28 Tony Lockett . . . . St 1986 226
=30 Jock Spencer . . . . Ka 1951 222
=30 Simon Minton-Connell Ha 1995 222
=30 Matthew Richardson . Ri 1997 222
.33 Bill Wood . . . . . .WB 1948 219
=34 Horrie Clover . . . .Ca 1924 215
=34 William Young . . . .St 1960 215
=34 John Longmire . . . .Ka 1991 215
.37 Ted E.Johnson . . . .Sy 1927 212
.38 Larry Donohue . . . .Ge 1978 211
=39 Dick Lee . . . . . . Co 1910 208
=39 Paul Schmidt . . . . Ca 1942 208
.41 Bert Hyde . . . . . .Ha 1930 206
.42 Norm Smith . . . . . Me 1939 204
.43 Jimmy Freake . . . . Fi 1915 203
.44 Cliff Rankin . . . . Ge 1923 202
.45 Matthew Lloyd . . . .Es 1999 201
.46 Darren Bennett . . . Me 1992 198
.47 Bob Beecroft . . . . Fi 1979 196
=48 Dick Harris . . . . .Ri 1937 192
=48 Des Fothergill . . . Co 1940 192
=48 Alex Jesaulenko . . .Ca 1970 192
=51 Alby Morrison . . . .WB 1932 189
=51 Peter Bennett . . . .St 1951 189
.53 Les Allen . . . . . .Ka 1934 188
.54 Ted Freyer . . . . . Es 1933 187
.55 Lance Franklin . . . Ha 2008 186

So Buddy's not quite keeping pace with such luminaries as Minton-Connell and Darren Bennett. But good on him, he's great to watch and great for the game.

 

[thatswhatimtalkinabout]

After 69 games:

Rnk Player . . . . . . . Cb Year Gls
------------------------------------
. 1 Peter Hudson . . . . Ha 1970 388
. 2 John Coleman . . . . Es 1952 355
. 3 Sel Murray . . . . . Ka 1941 289
. 4 Ron Todd . . . . . . Co 1939 284
. 5 George Moloney . . . Ge 1934 279
. 6 Tony Modra . . . . . Ad 1996 278
.=7 Fred Fanning . . . . Me 1946 264
.=7 Michael Roach . . . .Ri 1981 264
.=7 Mark Jackson . . . . Ge 1984 264
.10 Jack Moriarty . . . .Fi 1927 262
.11 Peter McKenna . . . .Co 1970 261
.12 George Margitich . . Me 1934 259
.13 Lindsay White . . . .Ge 1945 258
.14 Brian Taylor . . . . Co 1986 257
.15 Simon Beasley . . . .WB 1985 255
.16 Bob Pratt . . . . . .Sy 1934 254
.17 Peter Sumich . . . . WC 1992 249
.18 Jason Dunstall . . . Ha 1988 248
.19 George Goninon . . . Ge 1953 247
.20 Warwick Capper . . . Sy 1987 244
.21 Saverio Rocca . . . .Co 1995 241
.22 Bill Mohr . . . . . .St 1932 237
.23 Claude Curtin . . . .Fi 1946 236
.24 Kelvin Templeton . . WB 1978 234
=25 Doug Wade . . . . . .Ge 1965 232
=25 Gary Ablett . . . . .Ge 1987 232
.27 Tom Reynolds . . . . Es 1941 229
=28 Eddie Hart . . . . . Fi 1950 226
=28 Tony Lockett . . . . St 1986 226
=30 Jock Spencer . . . . Ka 1951 222
=30 Simon Minton-Connell Ha 1995 222
=30 Matthew Richardson . Ri 1997 222
.33 Bill Wood . . . . . .WB 1948 219
=34 Horrie Clover . . . .Ca 1924 215
=34 William Young . . . .St 1960 215
=34 John Longmire . . . .Ka 1991 215
.37 Ted E.Johnson . . . .Sy 1927 212
.38 Larry Donohue . . . .Ge 1978 211
=39 Dick Lee . . . . . . Co 1910 208
=39 Paul Schmidt . . . . Ca 1942 208
.41 Bert Hyde . . . . . .Ha 1930 206
.42 Norm Smith . . . . . Me 1939 204
.43 Jimmy Freake . . . . Fi 1915 203
.44 Cliff Rankin . . . . Ge 1923 202
.45 Matthew Lloyd . . . .Es 1999 201
.46 Darren Bennett . . . Me 1992 198
.47 Bob Beecroft . . . . Fi 1979 196
=48 Dick Harris . . . . .Ri 1937 192
=48 Des Fothergill . . . Co 1940 192
=48 Alex Jesaulenko . . .Ca 1970 192
=51 Alby Morrison . . . .WB 1932 189
=51 Peter Bennett . . . .St 1951 189
.53 Les Allen . . . . . .Ka 1934 188
.54 Ted Freyer . . . . . Es 1933 187
.55 Lance Franklin . . . Ha 2008 186

So Buddy's not quite keeping pace with such luminaries as Minton-Connell and Darren Bennett. But good on him, he's great to watch and great for the game.

RTB - awesome stats, I seem to remember you have an edge over most of us in that regard.

The Mark Jackson one really suprises me.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Sorry guys (Hodgepodge)...I thought it would be fairer to wait until the end of each round but people seem to want it straight away so i'll try to do it as soon as the stats are updated.

After a fine 5 goal effort against WC (and cruising past Q.Lynch)

Buddy has jumped 18 places to #354

Leaving these guys in his wake:


355 Allen, Les 190 70 Carl/NM 1930 1934
356 Searl, Doug 190 143 Coll/Fitz 1966 1976
357 Madden, Justin 190 332 Ess/Carl 1980 1996
358 Stockdale, Greg 189 106 Ess 1920 1928
359 Eagleton, Nathan 189 225 Port/WB 1997 2008
360 Power, Luke 189 209 Bris 1998 2008
361 Stockdale, Greg 189 106 Ess 1920 1928
363 Hands, Ken 188 211 Carl 1945 1957
364 Eason, Bill 187 220 Geel 1902 1915
365 McNamara, Dave 187 122 StK 1905 1923
366 McGuinness, Tony 187 222 Foot/Adel 1986 1996
367 Davie, Harry 186 58 Melb/Carl 1924 1928
368 Lewis, Dale 186 182 Syd 1990 2001
369 Burgoyne, Peter 186 221 Port 1997 2008
370 Jones, Corey 186 138 Kang/NM 2001 2008
371 Johnson, Steve 186 100 Geel 2002 2008
372 Lynch, Quinten 186 120 WC 2002 2008

 

[Ron The Bear]

RTB - awesome stats, I seem to remember you have an edge over most of us in that regard.

The Mark Jackson one really suprises me.

Cheers. Yeah, few realise how well Jacko's record reads on paper. Everyone remembers the antics and constant club changes though.

Interesting too that the only players on that list younger than Franklin were Lee, Lloyd, Lockett, Longmire and Des Fothergill (who was barely 20, and three games shy of winning the Brownlow along with his third Copeland Trophy). Gordon Coventry was nearly 24 and had 'only' 162 goals at the same stage; plenty of time for Buddy yet.

 

[SJT76]

Cheers. Yeah, few realise how well Jacko's record reads on paper. Everyone remembers the antics and constant club changes though.

Interesting too that the only players on that list younger than Franklin were Lee, Lloyd, Lockett, Longmire and Des Fothergill (who was barely 20, and three games shy of winning the Brownlow along with his third Copeland Trophy). Gordon Coventry was nearly 24 and had 'only' 162 goals at the same stage; plenty of time for Buddy yet.

It's scary how far in front of the rest Coleman and Hudson are though... the two of them are so far clear of 3rd it's just not funny.

Buddy's great to watch, but as a pure goal kicker has a long way to go.

The other thing that's nice to notice is longevity... Dunstall, Ablett and Lockett do OK in this, but not outstanding. But where is Matthews?

Finally, the one player closest to Franklin is ahead of him on this. I think a lot of us have forgotten how good Richo was when he hit the scene. I just hope Franklin can address his flaws better and kick on further.

Thanks for the good read though Ron.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Sorry guys (Hodgepodge)...I thought it would be fairer to wait until the end of each round but people seem to want it straight away so i'll try to do it as soon as the stats are updated.

After a fine 5 goal effort against WC (and cruising past Q.Lynch)

Buddy has jumped 18 places to #354

Leaving these guys in his wake:


355 Allen, Les 190 70 Carl/NM 1930 1934
356 Searl, Doug 190 143 Coll/Fitz 1966 1976
357 Madden, Justin 190 332 Ess/Carl 1980 1996
358 Stockdale, Greg 189 106 Ess 1920 1928
359 Eagleton, Nathan 189 225 Port/WB 1997 2008
360 Power, Luke 189 209 Bris 1998 2008
361 Stockdale, Greg 189 106 Ess 1920 1928
363 Hands, Ken 188 211 Carl 1945 1957
364 Eason, Bill 187 220 Geel 1902 1915
365 McNamara, Dave 187 122 StK 1905 1923
366 McGuinness, Tony 187 222 Foot/Adel 1986 1996
367 Davie, Harry 186 58 Melb/Carl 1924 1928
368 Lewis, Dale 186 182 Syd 1990 2001
369 Burgoyne, Peter 186 221 Port 1997 2008
370 Jones, Corey 186 138 Kang/NM 2001 2008
371 Johnson, Steve 186 100 Geel 2002 2008
372 Lynch, Quinten 186 120 WC 2002 2008

Thanks sir, where do you find these stats? I've been looking, but no luck as yet.

 

[Hawkers Hero]

Thanks sir, where do you find these stats? I've been looking, but no luck as yet.

http://afl.allthestats.com/records/goalsrec.php?pg=1

Thats the link - its done 20 at a time

Looking at the list he is on track to be around #250 by the end of this year (234 goals or 43 more for the season).

And for the poster asking about Roughie - he has now moved into position 820 level with Scott West on 104 goals. His 6 goals on the weekend took him past such current luminaries as David Hille, Jarrad Waite and Josh Carr

 

[blackhead&boil]

any updates following his four against sydney??

 

[hawksrule111]

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