Certified Legendary Thread Cam Rayner

[BigPond101]

Rayner and Elliot is a fair comparison what has Elliot ever done apart from that 1 goal after the siren ? He's been injured most his career. I would much prefer to have Rayner even if he's reached his peak and it's far below what people expected of him

 

[jonnobackpocket]

Rayner would need to step up a few levels to clean Jamie's boots. Ridiculous comment.

Really, typical one eyed Collingwood crap. Just for the record this year Rayner averages more inside 50’s, same amount of goals, more disposals with better efficiency, more kicks, handballs, contested possessions, uncontested possessions, intercept possessions, marks, contested marks, meters gained, stoppages and fantasy points. In your defence Elliot has almost one more tackle a game more. So how ‘ridiculous’ is it now?

 

[danster168]

I'm worried about Danster, why hasn't he posted in this thread since June 19.

Lol, because what else is there to say? I called it in the pre-season that another season of 14-16 possessions and a goal a game was on its way and here we are, like clockwork.

Lions fans came out in numbers when he played 1 decent game against Collingwood and I knew I wouldn't see them for a while and alas we haven't. So with regards to Rayner, I've been spot on at every juncture.

Who knows, he may break out like a Jack Sinclair when he's like 28. He has good athletic traits but that's about it.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

never put Rayner in the same sentence as Elliott with the word 'better' in there.

What’s the matter- can’t hitch your wagon to Spargo anymore because he is shit? Trying for Elliot now? Have a look at the stats. Don’t you get sick of looking like a complete goose in this thread?

 

[jonnobackpocket]

Think you have taken my comment out of context as well. I am not saying he is on the same level that Elliot has reached.

He is a better player than Elliot this year without doubt.

 

[danster168]

Really, typical one eyed Collingwood crap. Just for the record this year Rayner averages more inside 50’s, same amount of goals, more disposals with better efficiency, more kicks, handballs, contested possessions, uncontested possessions, intercept possessions, marks, contested marks, meters gained, stoppages and fantasy points. In your defence Elliot has almost one more tackle a game more. So how ‘ridiculous’ is it now?

Cam Rayner is basically Alex Neal-Bullen who doesn't defend. Statistically and in terms of impact on games they match up well. Neal-Bullen has more tackles (much more), more disposals, more inside 50's and meters gained. And none of these players should be mentioned in the same breath as Elliott.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

Thought he'd elevate his game this season but another lackluster affair.
Looks like he may have reached his ceiling as a player.

West Coast next week, perfect opportunity for Cam to turn it on against the bottom dwellers.

What’s the matter could not find anything negative to say about Brisbane’s performance last night so had to narrow it down to one player?

 

[Elixuh]

Lol, because what else is there to say? I called it in the pre-season that another season of 14-16 possessions and a goal a game was on its way and here we are, like clockwork.

Lions fans came out in numbers when he played 1 decent game against Collingwood and I knew I wouldn't see them for a while and alas we haven't. So with regards to Rayner, I've been spot on at every juncture.

Who knows, he may break out like a Jack Sinclair when he's like 28. He has good athletic traits but that's about it.

Thank you Mr Danster, it is good to know you are alive and well

 

[jonnobackpocket]

Cam Rayner is basically Alex Neal-Bullen who doesn't defend. Statistically and in terms of impact on games they match up well. Neal-Bullen has more tackles (much more), more disposals, more inside 50's and meters gained. And none of these players should be mentioned in the same breath as Elliott.

Don’t change the narrative you said Spargo and then Elliott. Your wrong again- what’s the matter the fact Rayner playing better than Elliot wreck your next crack at him?

 

[danster168]

What’s the matter- can’t hitch your wagon to Spargo anymore because he is s**t? Trying for Elliot now? Have a look at the stats. Don’t you get sick of looking like a complete goose in this thread?

How so? I said in the pre-season that he'd be a 14-16 disposal, 1 goal per game player and not break out. I've been bang on. My stance on Rayner could not have been proven to be any more correct than it currently is. Remember when the lions fans said Rayner was a gun because he played a good game against the pies? since then, not a word.

If there's a Spargo thread we can talk about him there but Rayner is still the 25-30th best player in his draft based on career output to this point in his career.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

How so? I said in the pre-season that he'd be a 14-16 disposal, 1 goal per game player and not break out. I've been bang on. My stance on Rayner could not have been proven to be any more correct than it currently is. Remember when the lions fans said Rayner was a gun because he played a good game against the pies? since then, not a word.

If there's a Spargo thread we can talk about him there but Rayner is still the 25-30th best player in his draft based on career output to this point in his career.

He plays on a forward flank, want him to average 25 touches do you. Jesus Christ you have no idea- Lions drafted him as a high impact explosive player which is exactly what they getting. 30th best, really, another stupid, incorrect comment. You spent a hell
of a lot of time telling us Spargo was as good a pick- now you completely back away because you are WRONG saying we will talk about it in the Spargo thread, there will never be one of those because he is not worth discussing.

 

[danster168]

Don’t change the narrative you said Spargo and then Elliott. Your wrong again- what’s the matter the fact Rayner playing better than Elliot wreck your next crack at him?

lol, do you really want me to list every player in the afl that have been better than Rayner this season? Put it simply, Rayner is probably 15th best in most teams. 13-15th x 18 teams = 234- 270th in the league.

If we look at a low team like hawthorn to support this, they have Sicily, Newcombe, Impey, Will Day, Dylan Moore, Breust, Mitch Lewis, Nash, Worpel, Jiath, Hardwick and Amon. I would even have Seamus Mitchell ahead of him but even if not that puts him at 13th best in one of the worst teams in the comp.

He needs to find more of the ball. If he's not defending or tackling and being a defensive pressure forward then he needs to find more of the footy. I'm not saying he's a poor player. He's just average.

 

[danster168]

He plays on a forward flank, want him to average 25 touches do you. Jesus Christ you have no idea- Lions drafted him as a high impact explosive player which is exactly what they getting. 30th best, really, another stupid, incorrect comment. You spent a hell
of a lot of time telling us Spargo was as good a pick- now you completely back away because you are WRONG saying we will talk about it in the Spargo thread, there will never be one of those because he is not worth discussing.

He hasn't always played forward flank though. This season Brisbane tried to play him in the midfield and even half back to get the ball in his hands more often but he just couldn't find it enough so they put him back into the forward line. This is correct no?

Spargo has been a good pick. He was pick 29 and has almost played 100 games and has played a defensive role for us in a premiership year and been consistent at this. He's had a poor season. But he'll go on to play 150-200 games. A massive success for a pick 29.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I doubt even Spargo's mum would recognise him in the Melbourne team photo.

 

[Elixuh]

He hasn't always played forward flank though. This season Brisbane tried to play him in the midfield and even half back to get the ball in his hands more often but he just couldn't find it enough so they put him back into the forward line. This is correct no?

Spargo has been a good pick. He was pick 29 and has almost played 100 games and has played a defensive role for us in a premiership year and been consistent at this. He's had a poor season. But he'll go on to play 150-200 games. A massive success for a pick 29.

Isn’t spargo a fringe player though. He was sub recently. In a team that has a horrendous forward line.

I haven’t minded cams impact tbh. Has played mainly up forward with stints in the midfield and down back. Gives us a nice point of difference.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

lol, do you really want me to list every player in the afl that have been better than Rayner this season? Put it simply, Rayner is probably 15th best in most teams. 13-15th x 18 teams = 234- 270th in the league.

If we look at a low team like hawthorn to support this, they have Sicily, Newcombe, Impey, Will Day, Dylan Moore, Breust, Mitch Lewis, Nash, Worpel, Jiath, Hardwick and Amon. I would even have Seamus Mitchell ahead of him but even if not that puts him at 13th best in one of the worst teams in the comp.

He needs to find more of the ball. If he's not defending or tackling and being a defensive pressure forward then he needs to find more of the footy. I'm not saying he's a poor player. He's just average.

Change the narrative again- you said 30th in his draft year, now you including every player in the league in the argument. Spargo- you said he is a better player and if the draft was done again you would pick him before Rayner. Now it’s he is a good pick for pick 29. There is no point having the discussion with you, you just change your argument every time you are wrong, which is alot by the way.

 

[scott_the_man]

never put Rayner in the same sentence as Elliott with the word 'better' in there.

Classic Danster at it again. Getting upset at anyones opinion that doesn't involve blowing smoke up Melbourne players ass.

 

[scott_the_man]

lol, do you really want me to list every player in the afl that have been better than Rayner this season? Put it simply, Rayner is probably 15th best in most teams. 13-15th x 18 teams = 234- 270th in the league.

If we look at a low team like hawthorn to support this, they have Sicily, Newcombe, Impey, Will Day, Dylan Moore, Breust, Mitch Lewis, Nash, Worpel, Jiath, Hardwick and Amon. I would even have Seamus Mitchell ahead of him but even if not that puts him at 13th best in one of the worst teams in the comp.

He needs to find more of the ball. If he's not defending or tackling and being a defensive pressure forward then he needs to find more of the footy. I'm not saying he's a poor player. He's just average.

15th best?

He's currently the 6th best at the Lions in the 2023 MVP. 6th best in a top 4 side is a fair way off your claim of 15th best in most sides.

Once again you have proven just how little you actually know about the bloke.

 

[Nunez]

Poor Danster

 

[danster168]

15th best?

He's currently the 6th best at the Lions in the 2023 MVP. 6th best in a top 4 side is a fair way off your claim of 15th best in most sides.

Once again you have proven just how little you actually know about the bloke.

In what world is he 6th? Daniher, Dunkley, Neale, Andrews, McCluggage, Zorko, C.Cameron, Hipwood, Bailey, Starcevich. At best he's 11th. But I'd have Berry, Wilmot and Ashcroft before him. So that's 15th for me. No way in hell is Rayner a top 10 player at Brisbane.

 

[scott_the_man]

In what world is he 6th? Daniher, Dunkley, Neale, Andrews, McCluggage, Zorko, C.Cameron, Hipwood, Bailey, Starcevich. At best he's 11th. But I'd have Berry, Wilmot and Ashcroft before him. So that's 15th for me. No way in hell is Rayner a top 10 player at Brisbane.

The 2023 Lions MVP which is a reasonably accurate metric for measuring how players are going in a given year.

You are right, Neale, Dunkley, Cameron Daniher and Ashcroft are ahead of him.

Andrews and Hipwood close behind. Starc, Bailey, Mccluggage and Berry have all had down years and have been less effective than Rayner.

But I'll take your word for it that he's outside the top 10 at Brisbane as you clearly know more about it than me.

 

[danster168]

The 2023 Lions MVP which is a reasonably accurate metric for measuring how players are going in a given year.

You are right, Neale, Dunkley, Cameron Daniher and Ashcroft are ahead of him.

Andrews and Hipwood close behind. Starc, Bailey, Mccluggage and Berry have all had down years and have been less effective than Rayner.

But I'll take your word for it that he's outside the top 10 at Brisbane as you clearly know more about it than me.

yeah but games played doesn't factor into the mvp right? People were saying he was going to break out and I said 'no, it'll be another 14-16 touch, 1 goal per game' season. And that's bang on his average.

If you look at the dees Oliver, May, Lever, Viney, Petracca, Rivers, Petty, Fritsch, Pickett, Salem, Brayshaw, Langdon. So that's 11 without even making cases for Neal-Bullen, Bowey, Sparrow and Hunter. And Melbourne and Brisbane have similar depth imo.

Either way, let's agree to disagree. I see Rayner as a 13-15 player in most teams best 22. You see him as a top 6 player. We're too far apart to agree and that's fine.

 

[scott_the_man]

yeah but games played doesn't factor into the mvp right? People were saying he was going to break out and I said 'no, it'll be another 14-16 touch, 1 goal per game' season. And that's bang on his average.

If you look at the dees Oliver, May, Lever, Viney, Petracca, Rivers, Petty, Fritsch, Pickett, Salem, Brayshaw, Langdon. So that's 11 without even making cases for Neal-Bullen, Bowey, Sparrow and Hunter. And Melbourne and Brisbane have similar depth imo.

Either way, let's agree to disagree. I see Rayner as a 13-15 player in most teams best 22. You see him as a top 6 player. We're too far apart to agree and that's fine.

Not sure why you keep banging on about this 15 touch nonsense like it means something. He's spending the majority of his time deep in the forward line so 15 touches is expected. If you watched some of his recent games you would realise that he impacts quite a lot even with low possession numbers.

 

[danster168]

Not sure why you keep banging on about this 15 touch nonsense like it means something. He's spending the majority of his time deep in the forward line so 15 touches is expected. If you watched some of his recent games you would realise that he impacts quite a lot even with low possession numbers.

Rayner roams a hell of a lot outside the 50m. so he's not deep inside 50m.

 

[scott_the_man]

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Rayner roams a hell of a lot outside the 50m. so he's not deep inside 50m.

So does every forward. When the footy is in deep defence everyone presses up.