Traded Cameron McCarthy [traded to Fremantle with picks 7, 33 and 71 for pick 3]

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Pat_Footy said:
Either you're ignorant about mental health, clueless about the situation, or just wallowing in self pity. It really doesn't matter - it just shows that people still have dinosaur views that should have been dispelled more than 20 years ago.
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No one forced him to sign a contract at GWS and 5 minutes later he wants out. He made his choice and now he has to live by it.
If I was in charge at GWS I'd make him honour the contract or spend another year twiddling his thumbs
 

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adammania9 said:
Patrick Ryder, Dayne Beams, Chris Judd, Lachie Henderson and Jake Carlisle all went for significantly large prices.
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This is a different situation though. McCarthy not too far from not even being on the GWS list. He's pretty much burnt his bridges from more than a year out from GWS having the opportunity of trading him again. GWS played hardball, and it couldn't have backfired more than it has. McCarthy is a rogue, unlike the others you mentioned, has proven form of telling a club to GAGF. The GWS-McCarthy relationship is pretty much irreparable.

Carlton, Essendon, Brisbane, Gold Coast, won't touch him, Carlton or Essendon because they will have picks 1 and or 2, which maybe worth more. Brisbane and GC will have the SAME issues as GWS, that scenario would be insane. The only other real threat is that is Freo finish above Richmond, Saints, Melbourne and maybe Port to make it interesting, and finish with pick 9. But then those clubs would be most unlikely to sacrifice a top ten pick on a player who is a good chance to walk out and has all the runs on the board of doing so. Plus there's the moral issue of taking a player who doesn't want to be there, I can't see it happening.

Most likely scenario, Freo have pick 5, and it will be off the table, GWS will have to accept something else, it'll be in the form of a three way trade, I've got no doubt players will want out of Freo in any case so something will get done.
 
PancitCabagan said:
This is a different situation though. McCarthy not too far from not even being on the GWS list. He's pretty much burnt his bridges from more than a year out from GWS having the opportunity from trading him again. GWS played hardball, and it couldn't have backfired more than it has. McCarthy is a rogue, unlike the others you mentioned, has proven form of telling a club to GAGF. The GWS-McCarthy relationship is pretty much irreparable.

Carlton, Essendon, Brisbane, Gold Coast, won't touch him, Carlton or Essendon because they will have picks 1 and or 2, which maybe worth more. Brisbane and GC will have the SAME issues as GWS, that scenario would be insane. The only other real threat is that is Freo finish above Richmond, Saints, Melbourne and maybe Port to make it interesting, and finish with pick 9. But then those clubs would be most unlikely to sacrifice a top ten pick on a player who is a good chance to walk out and has all the runs on the board of doing so. Plus there's the moral issue of taking a player who doesn't want to be there, I can't see it happening.

Most likely scenario, Freo have pick 5, and it will be off the table, GWS will have to accept something else, it'll be in the form of a three way trade, I've got no doubt players will want out of Freo in any case so something will get done.
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Any chance of GWS asking for players instead of another draft pick?
 
asian kittens said:
Any chance of GWS asking for players instead of another draft pick?
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That's interesting but a player's going to want to have to go there, and Freo's got to be willing to trade a player, If Lachie Neale wants to go there then it might get the job done on its own but he'll go to SA IMO, if the rumors of him wanting out are true. As for a player, it would have to be a fringe or an up and comer, maybe Weller, who was pick 13 in the 2014 draft?

Maybe a 3 way trade with a player going to GWS? There is a reason why GWS have had to settle for draft picks after draft picks with players wanting out in the past this time they look to be on the brink of domination though, without the lure of $$$ so it's a very different situation from the past. They might also grow off-field as they dominate the comp, which changes things completely to how they were.

But sometimes you have to accept what you are dealt with, Collingwood for instance, I know for fact that James Aish wanted to be a part of the Dayne Beams trade, but Brisbane refused. Brisbane had the upper hand with the cards they were dealt and they made the most of it, sure they squeeled the second time around and acted like spoilt brats who spat the dummy the second time around when Aish requested a trade, but the point is, Freo will have the upper hand, and GWS will have to accept what they are given, see the Beams/Aish precedent, and perhaps more like for like, the Bennell precedent.
 
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asian kittens said:
Any chance of GWS asking for players instead of another draft pick?
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Really doubtful. I'd never say 'never', but realistically GWS are more focussed on getting NSW-born players to reduce the go-home factor - as we saw in the 2015 draft with 4 academy kids. Reckon 2016 draft will be similar. The right player is always a possibility, but don't see that Fremantle has a player that would want to go to Sydney that matches both Fremantle willing to release AND Giants see as equitable value.
 
PancitCabagan said:
I know for fact that James Aish wanted to be a part of the Dayne Beams trade, but Brisbane refused.
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Nice "fact". Shame about any truth in the matter. :D

PancitCabagan said:
Brisbane had the upper hand with the cards they were dealt and they made the most of it, sure they squeeled the second time around and acted like spoilt brats who spat the dummy the second time around when Aish requested a trade, but the point is, Freo will have the upper hand, and GWS will have to accept what they are given, see the Beams/Aish precedent, and perhaps more like for like, the Bennell precedent.
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Brisbane came out ahead by not trading Aish in the Beams trade anyway. Instead they gave up pick 25 in the Beams trade, but got two second rounders back for Aish. Not really a great example for trading the player.
 
dlanod said:
Nice "fact". Shame about any truth in the matter. :D



Brisbane came out ahead by not trading Aish in the Beams trade anyway. Instead they gave up pick 25 in the Beams trade, but got two second rounders back for Aish. Not really a great example for trading the player.
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You trade Aish the first time around like you should have, you keep your second rounder in the stronger draft, and potentially keep Crisp, who would be walk up start in your midfield.

By refusing to trade Aish the first time around, all in all, in isolation of Aish, you really only gained a second rounder.
As far as Collingwood goes, we dodged a massive bullet on Freeman thanks to the Saints, so we got him on the cheap the second time around. Think we will come out of those two trades, big, big winners in the long run.
 

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Why do gws have to trade McCarthy for unders just because he has a mental illness. Perhaps if his illness is such a concern to fremantle and their supporters, they could do the right thing and pay the price required to ensure mccarthy's well being is looked after by getting him home. I don't understand why the burden is solely lumped on the Giants.
 
Bonkers000 said:
Why do gws have to trade McCarthy for unders just because he has a mental illness. Perhaps if his illness is such a concern to fremantle and their supporters, they could do the right thing and pay the price required to ensure mccarthy's well being is looked after by getting him home. I don't understand why the burden is solely lumped on the Giants.
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Because a player that walks away from footy for a year has his value plummet. The AFL environment is a tough & uncompromising, and huge concerns would be had with a player who has crumbled under the stress, and even if it is under the guise of "Home sickness". You want mentality tough players to build a team around and you certainly wouldn't sell the farm in picks to get a player who could be mentality weak
 
Balony_pony16 said:
Because a player that walks away from footy for a year has his value plummet. The AFL environment is a tough & uncompromising, and huge concerns would be had with a player who has crumbled under the stress, and even if it is under the guise of "Home sickness". You want mentality tough players to build a team around and you certainly wouldn't sell the farm in picks to get a player who could be mentality weak
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It can't change that much because fremantle's interest hasn't seemed to change at all.
 
Bonkers000 said:
It can't change that much because fremantle's interest hasn't seemed to change at all.
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Freo could still be interested but it doesnt mean their value of him would stay the same. He isnt that great a talent to demand multiple top picks now after walking away from footy for a year. Keep in mind that Freo offered a fair bit for him while they over valued their list. Freo have since acknowledged they will go down the rebuild path and Id be surprised if they cough up top picks for a guy who walked away from footy
 
Balony_pony16 said:
Freo could still be interested but it doesnt mean their value of him would stay the same. He isnt that great a talent to demand multiple top picks now after walking away from footy for a year. Keep in mind that Freo offered a fair bit for him while they over valued their list. Freo have since acknowledged they will go down the rebuild path and Id be surprised if they cough up top picks for a guy who walked away from footy
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I don't think a top 10 draft pick is outrageous. And like I said, if fremantle care about mccarthy's wellbeing as much as the supporters on this thread are saying gws should, then they'll pay a little overs to get him.
 
Suma Magic said:
You can trade future picks.
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Spot on. GWS well placed in this draft already anyway. Giants would be much more interested in something in the 2017.

The Clarke trade as a comparison is interesting. Closest fit to what's happening. It was resolved really well in that Lumumba and Varcoe also wanted out. As General Giant correctly points out, GWS have a shrinking list, so even if someone wants out of Freo; even in a 3-way trade GWS still wouldn't want the third player in the deal - which leaves you back at square one: What pick is he worth?

Fair to say this is uncharted territory.

Got to hand it to SOS. When they drafted McCarthy at 14 I thought it was a strange pick given The Giants already had Cameron, Patton, Tomlinson and Boyd. I was pretty sure they'd take Darcy Gardner who was the best key defender in that cohort, or even another outside mid like a Blake Acres, Billy Hartung or Darcy Lange. Is it possible SOS took another key forward in the knowledge that down the track they would be worth more at the trade table and keep GWS's position in the draft as strong as possible for as long as possible? If so, it's pure genius.

My only hope now is that cool heads prevail and the rhetoric dies down. Downplaying mental illness doesn't help, and nor does the 'make him sit out' rubbish. Those who call for him to sit out another year are agitating for a lose-lose-lose situation. It's better if the clubs can get together with Cam, sit down and work out what's best. If he can go back to GWS and start enjoying footy again - great. If a trade can be worked out - great. Worst case scenario is that grown men can't find common ground because of posturing or spite. I'd be embarrassed for everyone involved and feel shame that my club was involved in any way.

Just can't wait for this to be over TBH
 

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Traded Cameron McCarthy [traded to Fremantle with picks 7, 33 and 71 for pick 3]

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