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Geelong's forward line>>> Collingwood's
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No Geelong Midfield >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Collingwoods Midfield
Forward line arnt that much better
I agree I think our forward line is just about on par with Collingwoods.
Between Chapman and Didak I would take Chappy over Didak any day, but that's because I am a blatant Chapman lover and wouldn't trade him for anyone. Didak has the skills, Chapman has the toughness. Line ball.
Steve Johnson and Leon Davis both have their moments but I would rate Johnson ahead of Davis. Probably more consistent.
Rocca's good moments are streaks ahead of Mooney's, but his bad moments are as well. Mooney probably just at the moment.
Cloke at the moment is better than Hawkins. Only time will tell how good Hawkins will be, but Cloke is ahead there.
Medhurst and Stokes is line ball. Medhurst is the better goalkicker IMO, but Stokes provides more in the midfield. Hard to seperate. Consistency probably helps Stokes a bit.
As a forward I would rate Rusling ahead of Kelly, but Kelly is a great link man for the Cats in the forward line.
So I think the Cats have it, but I would like to see how they go with Collingwood's midfield supplying them.
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With the comparisons
Didak v Johnson
Davis v Stokes
Cloke v Mooney
Hawkins v Rocca
Medhurst v Chapman
Didak and Johnson i would have even
Davis and Stokes maybe stokes just infront
Cloke and Mooney is a hard one Mooney atm because Clokes out of form
Rocca and Hawkins Rocca at his best can win games Hawkins isnt up to his level Rocca infront easily
Medhurst and Chapman Chapman offers more toughness and more in the Midfield Medhurst offers that Goal kicking target and can be a very good assist man Chapman infront
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Mooney is not a dud. But he is not on par with the best CHFs running around (Brown, Buddy, Pav, Roo, etc). Not his fault. He's been given a role in a team with a top-class midfield who have less need of a top-class forward than other teams might have. Generally, he performs that role credibly.
But should not have been made CHF in the Dream Team.
But should not have been made CHF in the Dream Team.
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Finally (I think) someone has expressed what i think of him.
HE'S A DUD!
Does anyone remember how bad he was for Geelong when it was just him and Kingsley in the goal square?
He gets FIRST CLASS delivery, something you can't argue about and still is not a game-breaker.
He's soft, he's dirty and he's not an All Australian or a Dream Team!
Much as I hate the prick, Lloyd is better than Mooney.
Burton is better than Mooney.
Hell, Quinten Lynch is up there!
One premiership medal does not a full-forward make.
HE'S A DUD!
Does anyone remember how bad he was for Geelong when it was just him and Kingsley in the goal square?
He gets FIRST CLASS delivery, something you can't argue about and still is not a game-breaker.
He's soft, he's dirty and he's not an All Australian or a Dream Team!
Much as I hate the prick, Lloyd is better than Mooney.
Burton is better than Mooney.
Hell, Quinten Lynch is up there!
One premiership medal does not a full-forward make.
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Anyone who truly believes Mooney is a dud either has no knowledge of the game, or is horribly bitter over the fact he's got two premierships and an AA.
He's not elite, by any stretch, but calling him a dud is incredibly ignorant.
How could anyone remember something that never happened?
The only time he played forward when Kingsley was here was for part of 2002, and he never played out of the 'goal square'.
1) He is an All-Australian
2) You're right, he's not a "Dream Team"
3) Mooney is anything but soft. The only soft ones are those keyboard warriors who constantly label players soft, despite the fact they'd shit and fall back in it if ever confronted by said players.
That doesn't even make sense.
Oh, and it's two premiership medals (that's one more than the entire Hawthorn list)
And in one sentence you've summed up how intelligent that post was.
Mooney is not an elite player. I think most Cats fans would agree. But he is by no margain at all a dud. He kicked over 60 goals last year, in a premiership year. A dud would kick 20 or less.
As for the comment about Mooney playing forward with Kingsley, I'm not sure if that ever happened. He may have started there when he came across in 2000, but after that he mainly played across half back until 2005, when he pushed into the midfield as a medium sized ruckman.
2006 he went forward but was suspended too many times to have an impact, so 2007 was the first time he spent any real time forward.
In conclusion I believe your post is flawed.
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Let's create a thread that bags Ben Rutten like this thread has bagged Mooney.
People argue Mooney is a beneficiary of first class delivery from an elite midfield, Rutten is a beneficiary of an immensely defensive and rigidly disciplined gameplan.
People argue Mooney was lucky to get AA for such reasons, was Rutten not lucky in 2005 stepping in to such a negative gameplan without any games under his belt and 'suddenly' becomming a star.
People argue that Mooney shouldn't have played, should Rutten have got a game ahead of Lake based on form?
People argue Mooney was exposed last week as a pretender playing on the best FB and without the game's best midfield giving him lace out delivery, was Rutten not exposed playing on the best FF and actually having to 'defend' for once.
Just some fuel for thought...
If you are going to bag one to the degree you all have, take a swipe at some others like Rutten who were worse.
People argue Mooney is a beneficiary of first class delivery from an elite midfield, Rutten is a beneficiary of an immensely defensive and rigidly disciplined gameplan.
People argue Mooney was lucky to get AA for such reasons, was Rutten not lucky in 2005 stepping in to such a negative gameplan without any games under his belt and 'suddenly' becomming a star.
People argue that Mooney shouldn't have played, should Rutten have got a game ahead of Lake based on form?
People argue Mooney was exposed last week as a pretender playing on the best FB and without the game's best midfield giving him lace out delivery, was Rutten not exposed playing on the best FF and actually having to 'defend' for once.
Just some fuel for thought...
If you are going to bag one to the degree you all have, take a swipe at some others like Rutten who were worse.
haha, ignorant meens ill informed, so thats not me, even Geelong supporters have started using the old, "but hes in the top 10" argument, that doesnt make him the best, or warrant an AA selection, hes a good player, in a great side, thats all!
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Mooney is not an "elite" player, no fan or even Geelong fan for that matter thinks of him in that light, it is almost accepted from all perspectives that he is a good player in a great team.
BUT, he's a good player who gives his team exactly what they need up forward, and is crucial to their success.
In general he probably isn't in the Top 10 best forwards in the game, but last season he had a tremendous year and his AA spot was a toss up between he, Franklin and Lucas.
The reason it went to Mooney was because the selectors chose to reward a guy who not only kicked goals and took a lot of grabs, but someone who provided almost better than any KP forward in terms of creating for teammates, he was 3rd in the game for contested grabs, averaged 2 score assists a game, averaged over a tackle per game (for a KP forward) and was a huge vocal and physical prescence for us, breaking open packs and forming space for other forwards to move into, all these things he did and he did them CONSISTENTLY. Plus it was almost unanimously agreed that his play was just about the most important factor in our turnaround.
Mooney's work rate, toughness, leadership and all round team game were what got him his AA jumper last year, and it was great to see selectors not go for blokes who might have kicked more goals when you look at the raw stats but were inconsistent as anything (Lance Franklin) and/or are the complete opposite of team players (Scott "Kick it from anywhere" Lucas).
All this hatred that has gone Mooney's way this week, which has been completely blown out of proportion by all you cretins, can be simply boiled down to a case of extreme tall poppy syndrome on the part of the Geelong Football Club. Just insane.
Anyone who truly believes Mooney is a dud either has no knowledge of the game, or is horribly bitter over the fact he's got two premierships and an AA.
He's not elite, by any stretch, but calling him a dud is incredibly ignorant.
How could anyone remember something that never happened?
The only time he played forward when Kingsley was here was for part of 2002, and he never played out of the 'goal square'.
1) He is an All-Australian
2) You're right, he's not a "Dream Team"
3) Mooney is anything but soft. The only soft ones are those keyboard warriors who constantly label players soft, despite the fact they'd shit and fall back in it if ever confronted by said players.
That doesn't even make sense.
Oh, and it's two premiership medals (that's one more than the entire Hawthorn list)
Oh please. He has only earned one of them. In 1999 he hardly played a game and only got selected to play because of McCartney's suspension. Sat on the bench for the vast majority of the GF and his only stat was a free kick against. I did just as much for North as Mooney did on that day.
What annoys me the most about Mooney is that he should have had the decency to give Jason the medal.
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I couldn't give a flying ____ whether he earned one or both of them, the FACT is that he is a dual premiership player.
You can type for the next decade, nothing will take away the fact he is a dual premiership player.
Decency?
You're the person deriding a then kid because he, through no fault of his own, barely had a chance to contribute in a premiership win.
He didn't choose to get picked, and he didn't choose to sit on the bench for the majority of the game.
Decency? You wouldn't know the meaning of the word.
Oh come on. I don't think anyone here from Geelong is going to tell you that Cam Mooney is the most talented superstar CHF going round but he does play his guts out and adds both a leadership and a tough quality to our forward line that we wouldn't otherwise have. MOOOOooons is brilliant, wouldn't trade him for anything and his contribution to Geelong as a team is immense.
Oh i guess the fact that he is a dual premiership player means his standing in the game should be considered higher than Skilton, Robbie Flower and Robert Harvey.
Yes Decency. Im deriding someone receiving something they didnt earn and not giving the bloke who deserved it the honour of receiving a Premiership Medallion.
Jason McCartney was more integral to North winning the flag than Mooney was.
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When did i say anything of the sort?
I made a factual statement that he was in fact a dual premiership player, i made no reference whatsoever to his 'standing' or anything else.
For the second time, it wasn't his fault he was selected, nor was it his fault he didn't get on the ground until late.
Nor was it his fault that Jason McCartney was unavailable for the game.
Mooney was selected by your club and played in a premiership, thus deserves his medallion and any talk about him giving it to McCartney is pure and utter tripe.
To deride him for something out of his control is as pathetic as it is classless.
And?
Mark Blake was more 'integral' to Geelong winning the 2007 premiership than Steven King was, does that mean King should give his medal to Blake? Of course not.
My club chose King, just as your club chose Mooney, neither deserved to play in the game, but both did, and both played in premierships thus deserve their medals.
BTW Thanks for Moons (and Corey Enright). We wouldn't have won a premiership without them
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