hence why tanking is proven to be non effective
Carlton’s soul exorcised, I am disappointed
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Its just one mans opinion, but i would be very disappointed if Hawthorn trod that path. I think even taking Bailey at 18 in 2004 was a risk that to a large extent backfired on us.
Carlton have had three no one picks in a row and the best player in the land in judd and have still gone nowhere. Wishing for another top pick ain't the answer. It takes much hard work, dedication and smart people to build a club ala Geelong and hawthorn. Quick fixes don't work. Smart recruiting, good coaching and development is the only way. Sadly both Richmond and Carlton are now paying the price for some horrible decisions.
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The OP has nailed this and is exactly how I feel. Winning cultures and confidence within a team isn't easy to get especially when your club deliberately loses or adds to a losing culture to look for a gain in other areas.
Look what draft picks have done for Melbourne in the past 7 years. Their culture and development have been as poor as I've seen. Carlton are leaning the same way.
What's interesting is how often is the number 1 draft pick the best player of the draft years on?
Deliberately losing for an extra few spots in the draft order (which just ruins a club's culture) will do more damage than what the gain of the better draft pick can do.
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Look what draft picks have done for Melbourne in the past 7 years. Their culture and development have been as poor as I've seen. Carlton are leaning the same way.
What's interesting is how often is the number 1 draft pick the best player of the draft years on?
Deliberately losing for an extra few spots in the draft order (which just ruins a club's culture) will do more damage than what the gain of the better draft pick can do.
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Richmond and Brisbane supporters should be thanking us big time - all the media focus will be on us this week and rightly so.
We were so bad today it wasn't funny.
So many issues I don't even know where to start.
But, I agree with what Gus Poyet said - we have to keep Mick at the club as he will make the tough decisions at years end.
A small but significant point to this is that Waite and Garlett were dropped for the game.
Can't wait to see what happens at the selection table this week.
I want the blow torch fairly and squarely on punt road this week and next week.
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I think Ratts really needs to start getting the credit he deserves. Played an offensive game plan designed to get people out into space and try and beat teams in shoot-outs. Why? Cause he knew they were soft and preferred to play outside football. Also knew that he had guys there that could take risks and thrive. Malthouse has gone the other way, and the results are showing.
He also had Chris Judd. He plays today and Murphy and Gibbs get much more space and Carlton probably win.
Judd hasn't been worth tagging for about 2 years...
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He had the likes of Scotland, Carrazzo, Stevens, Judd, Betts, Fevola etc playing for him in the line up and undoubtedly some of them playing their prime age football.
Mick's got a midfield of what?
Hard to soar like an Eagle (pun intended)when ya flying with Turkeys.
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Tell that to Richmond.
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The whole process around getting rid of Ratts was knee-jerk self indulgent bullshit from the board. I'm fine with Malthouse coaching, but not with how it happened.
Carlton weren't just a soft outside team under Ratten, they were consistently near the top for clearances too. That's why Hawthorn picked him up as a midfield coach, his knowledge of stoppages. He had 265 clearances in 99, even with the huge increase in stoppages since then no-one else has even broken the 200 mark.
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Grundy at 17 is looking good to me ATM.
So not enough depth to beat Melbourne? Oh dear.....oh dear lord oh dear
the funny thing is, had Carlton not tanked that day they would have picked cotchin who no doubt would be their best player today
Problem for Carlton is it plain and simple is a dishonest and arrogant football club, and you can see that by the decisions it makes. It buys Greg Swann. It buys Mick Malthouse (who is not motivated by making Carlton great, he is motivated by showing Eddie he was wrong)
And they grabbed Daisy to stick it up the Pies.
If they hadn't they would have got a 1st round pick for Betts and heaps of $ to chase a more required player than Thomas.
Lose/Lose.
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The AFL is the main reason we're in this mess.
Hence why they've avoided going whack on Essendon.
Hence why they've avoided going whack on Essendon.
Rubbish, Carlton breached the salary cap and got fined $1m and two years draft picks while Essendon gave players peptides which are not yet proven to be illegal and copped $2m fine, dropped from finals and 1 years draft picks. I think many would agree Carlton's crime was far worse than Essendon's. It was a matter of circumstance which caused Carlton to suffer more than Essendon i.e. Carlton rebuilding at the time while Essendon close to their prime.
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You deliberately cheated. And that was in 2002.
In that time a lot of clubs have rebuilt and won flags.
You can't go on blaming the AFL forever. That's your biggest problem.
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How is the AFL to blame, they don't appoint Carlton's coaches and list managers
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Oh dear. You are kidding yourself.
The AFL just wanted to make an example out of Carlton after multiple salary cap breaches by teams in the late 80s and 90s.
Not going to get into an Essendon is guilty debate here but if Essendon truly is guilty (Jobe's admission alone makes them sound guilty), the AFL has allowed Essendon off lightly.
Ask yourself what's worse for the game's image and the game itself going forward? Cap breaches which multiple teams have done and now teams are doing it with third party stuff, or a doping program which could have effects on lives on the future?
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It really isn't. I doubt the current Carlton guys even think about 2002.
But it definitely changed us. Resulted in the Pagan era, stripped us of our great ground and has left us with a bunch of blokes who don't know how to play winning footy consistently.
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