Carlton’s soul exorcised, I am disappointed

[gbatman]

I'd like to know if Carlton convinced Mick they have a good list and told him to coach for a flag, or if he told them the list was in good shape and he could get them a premiership.

At the time it sounded like the first option was what was going on. Half the problem was that at some stage Carlton thought they were close to being able to win a flag and had every one convinced when there was still more work to go, they just stopped building the list around 2009-2011 and now things have gone down hill.

Malthouse as desperate to get back into coaching, it's what he does and has known for so long, seemed to hate being out of it. He's a competitive person, always has been, probably why he made it in league footy and coaching etc so will more than likely be up to the task of rebuilding the team. His direction will be different to the Carlton of old that's for sure, no more quick/cheap fixes and hole pluggers.

 

[Black Diamond]

At the time it sounded like the first option was what was going on. Half the problem was that at some stage Carlton thought they were close to being able to win a flag and had every one convinced when there was still more work to go, they just stopped building the list around 2009-2011 and now things have gone down hill.

Malthouse as desperate to get back into coaching, it's what he does and has known for so long, seemed to hate being out of it. He's a competitive person, always has been, probably why he made it in league footy and coaching etc so will more than likely be up to the task of rebuilding the team. His direction will be different to the Carlton of old that's for sure, no more quick/cheap fixes and hole pluggers.

Tend to agree. Even though his path to the Carlton job was handled comically and unprofessionally I think Carlton have ended up with a very good person to rebuild.

 

[gbatman]

Tend to agree. Even though his path to the Carlton job was handled comically and unprofessionally I think Carlton have ended up with a very good person to rebuild.

Really good coach is available, club goes after them and lures them in. It was the media who wrote the "story" and made it a circus, like what's going on at the moment.

When you ignore what you read/hear in the media, it's really not that strange how Carlton ended up with the coach. Much the same if you ignore all of what is going around you, club loses 4 games and is going poorly = it's everyone's fault, sack the lot, burn them at the stake. If you let a good story get in the way of what's really going on...

 

[Fadge]

Really good coach is available, club goes after them and lures them in. It was the media who wrote the "story" and made it a circus, like what's going on at the moment.

When you ignore what you read/hear in the media, it's really not that strange how Carlton ended up with the coach. Much the same if you ignore all of what is going around you, club loses 4 games and is going poorly = it's everyone's fault, sack the lot, burn them at the stake. If you let a good story get in the way of what's really going on...

Sounds as though you're happy with where Carlton are at currently?

Please enlighten us, what really is going on at Carlton?

 

[gbatman]

Sounds as though you're happy with where Carlton are at currently?

Please enlighten us, what really is going on at Carlton?

Not happy, just understand what's going on. Not going to go along with all the usuall media fairy tales, like it's the coach or the board etc. All the board did wrong was keep our old recruiter in the job for too long, turns out that is the problem but it's a problem that has been resolved. Simple problem with a simple reason.

 

[forwardflanker]

I'd like to know if Carlton convinced Mick they have a good list and told him to coach for a flag, or if he told them the list was in good shape and he could get them a premiership.

This is the key question imo. If he did tell the board they had a good list then he effectively misled them and should be responsible for Carltons performances. If he was persuaded they had a good list then it's not so bad, although you'd think a coach of his experience would have the ability to make his own judgments on list strength.

 

[Black Diamond]

This is the key question imo. If he did tell the board they had a good list then he effectively misled them and should be responsible for Carltons performances. If he was persuaded they had a good list then it's not so bad, although you'd think a coach of his experience would have the ability to make his own judgments on list strength.

If he was persuaded they had a flag in them despite his better judgement that speaks to either a) his love of money, and/or b)his love of the spotlight, and/or c) a lack of self respect.

 

[ScoobySnacks]

Bootsma will save the day

 

[go you pups]

The 2006 season was the hardest… JYD choosing to go ultra defensive (read: subtly tank) means a third pick in the draft : Lauchy Hansen. Has taken awhile to come on.. BUT it's the picks of Todd Goldstein (third round pick, Lindsay Thomas in the 4th) that have proven to be keepers.

The WB's made a blunder trade IMHO, giving away A Everett to the Swans for a slab of beer. (hello Chism)

Everitt plays for Carlton now, Everitt had a probable fallout with Eade and wanted to be traded, he was utilised poorly by Eade by just being a swingman/change of role every week and I don't blame him wanting to leave. We also gave away pick 6 to Hawthorn for free for Jade Rawlings back in the day just to stop him going to North even though we got him in the PSD in the end .

Carlton needs to play Docherty and keep pumping kids into the team, Yarran should be used as an outside mid as his vision with the ball looking to go inside 50 is very good.

 

[Thrawn]

Why should that be considered when giving out penalties?

Quite a moot question Jeff, considering I was talking about the severity of the penalties compared to Essendon's, not whether we deserved it or not.

 

[Silvagnis]

How does losing a game destroy your club's soul?

Such a poor and emotive argument that people use to say bottoming out doesn't work. There have been six drafts since we recruited Judd and Kreuzer. Plenty of time to change the culture and direction of a club.

Bottoming out didn't help us in 2006. That didn't turn out to be a super draft like all of the experts on here predicted. Yet we still used our PP in Hampson to get a former first round pick. I guess Sam Docherty who is a Carlton supporter doesn't feel that our soul has been exorcised.

Stand by this post...

I have more respect for people who don't post on forums and actually know more about football because they work at a club.

It was a smart business decison by Carlton to play the kids whilst giving us the chance to get better picks (not a flag or a genuine superstar). Some supporters need to have more faith in the new administration and coaching panel that is in place and trust them to do the right thing for the club. Saying we've destroyed the fabric of the culture by playing kids to ensure a loss and the players walking is a nonsense.

What we've done is accelerated the rebuild after the past six seasons has destroyed the fabric of our club and culture. The Carlton of old (not the one that cheated the salary cap and broke the rules) wouldn't have acted any differently to what we've done in the past month.

That's how we got to 16 flags before any other club.

And I'm not saying the PP and pick three will secure us the flag.

 

[Blues_Man]

Bootsma will save the day

He couldn't be any worse than the red headed spud the Hawks played on Hawkins the other Day

 

[forwardflanker]

I have more respect for people who don't post on forums and actually know more about football because they work at a club.

It was a smart business decison by Carlton to play the kids whilst giving us the chance to get better picks (not a flag or a genuine superstar). Some supporters need to have more faith in the new administration and coaching panel that is in place and trust them to do the right thing for the club. Saying we've destroyed the fabric of the culture by playing kids to ensure a loss and the players walking is a nonsense.

What we've done is accelerated the rebuild after the past six seasons has destroyed the fabric of our club and culture. The Carlton of old (not the one that cheated the salary cap and broke the rules) wouldn't have acted any differently to what we've done in the past month.

That's how we got to 16 flags before any other club.

And I'm not saying the PP and pick three will secure us the flag.

I know hindsight is 20/20 and everything but it turned out to not be a very good business decision didn't it. Tanking by playing the kids backfired shockingly for both Carlton and Melbourne and several years later these clubs find themselves in an almost identical position. It's undeniable that both clubs are contaminated by a defeatist culture, something that will take many years to change. I'm glad for the integrity of the competition that this kind of attitude has failed.

 

[etsal1]

No surprises that the Malthouse thread gets closed so the usual suspects bump this one.

 

[Monkey King]

No surprises that the Malthouse thread gets closed so the usual suspects bump this one.

Was just thinking the same thing. It's a migration. I'm staying out of this one. Just the same half thought out rubbish as in the other one.

 

[JeffDunne]

No surprises that the Malthouse thread gets closed so the usual suspects bump this one.

You having a go at Thrawn ?

And since he bumped the thread there's been only one post (until now) from a non-Carlton poster.

Proving yet again Carlton supporters are the world's most precious fans.

 

[ShanDog]

You having a go at Thrawn ?

And since he bumped the thread there's been only one post (until now) from a non-Carlton poster.

Proving yet again Carlton supporters are the world's most precious fans.

You been hitting the sauce early for ANZAC Day or am I missing something? There has been something like 6 pages of replies since the bump of the 2007 thread with multiple non-Carlton posters. Even still, assuming you were correct that its only been a few Carlton people on here, you're using that as proof of the bolded above?

EFA: Proving yet again Saints supports are the world's most idiotic fans.

 

[JeffDunne]

You been hitting the sauce early for ANZAC Day or am I missing something? There has been something like 6 pages of replies since the bump of the 2007 thread with multiple non-Carlton posters. Even still, assuming you were correct that its only been a few Carlton people on here, you're using that as proof of the bolded above?

I was replying to this post :

No surprises that the Malthouse thread gets closed so the usual suspects bump this one.

Clearly etsal1 was talking about the latest bump (ie since the Malthouse thread gets closed).

So was I.

Yes, you are "missing something".

EFA: Proving yet again Saints supports are the world's most idiotic fans.

Precious and stupid is not a good look!

 

[Fadge]

You been hitting the sauce early for ANZAC Day or am I missing something? There has been something like 6 pages of replies since the bump of the 2007 thread with multiple non-Carlton posters. Even still, assuming you were correct that its only been a few Carlton people on here, you're using that as proof of the bolded above?

EFA: Proving yet again Saints supports are the world's most idiotic fans.

The comment was about it being bumped.

The OP, Thrawn, bumped it after seven years, then again after a week of inactivity yesterday.

But please don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

 

[ShanDog]

Precious and stupid is not a good look!

Neither is smug and patronising.

All you want to achieve here is to have a go at all Carlton supporters. Right or wrong, the attitude in your post is shit. Make no mistake, your opinions mean absolutely nothing to me but I'll call out crap when I see it.

Suggest you have a look in the mirror and through your own backyard.

 

[JeffDunne]

Quite a moot question Jeff, considering I was talking about the severity of the penalties compared to Essendon's, not whether we deserved it or not.

It's not moot since you're linking the current state of a club to the severity of the penalties.

I know the AFL do, just look at their reaction to Melbourne with the ASADA issue, but it shouldn't.

Personally I've always thought Carlton got off lightly due to their position at the time. The awarding of a priority pick when you've been banned from the first two rounds of the draft was ridiculous (for example). But I also think you'd have been treated far less harshly had Elliott walked earlier. Swings and roundabouts I guess.

 

[Puddy]

Carlton and Melbourne failing is a good thing. It proves tanking just doesnt work.

 

[Shatterpoint]

I don't think we need a complete rebuild, what we do need is to recruit some KPP and a couple more inside midfielders, with good kicking skills, we need to get rid of some of the junk on the list. We have some good kids on the list, Menzel, Cripps, Temay, Bell, Casboult etc so I don't think we need an out and out rebuild just some smart drafting and free agency recruiting.

 

[Thrawn]

It's not moot since you're linking the current state of a club to the severity of the penalties.

I'm not linking anything, Jeff. We're talking about two different matters... if you think Carlton deserved a greater punishment, that's fine. That has nothing to do with whether or not the punishment we had was more painful than Essendon's. Thus, your question was completely and utterly irrelevant.

 

[chunkylover53]

If Carlton win tomorrow (doubt it), they will be equal with Essendon at 2-4.

Weren't they tipped for top 4 after annihilating Nth Melb and pushing Hawthorn? It's a long, long season.

See what happens with the Blues. Definitely need to continue building the list though and making tough calls.