Carlton’s soul exorcised, I am disappointed

[LordLucifer]

Anyway, the question I wanted to ask of Carlton supporters - to what extent are the salary cap dramas of almost a decade ago still hurting this club? They're really in their second rebuild since the sanctions finished, an maybe there are excuses for the first generation because they didn't have those talented 100-150 game players.

But is it still an excuse now? I tend to think not - but I'm curious to get some opinions.

Not an excuse at all.

But what is an excuse, maybe "reason" might be a better description is our woeful recruiting efforts over the past 10-15 years.

Every time we have pulled the wrong trigger, stupidity of the highest order !!

Throw in some very poor player development and what you end up with is the list we have now, substandard and lacking in fight.

And don't start me on our "quick fix" mentality either.

 

[Monkey King]

Carlton dominated the VFL for 100 years because its winning culture was based on buying the best players ...

This is becoming one of the biggest myths in football.

 

[gaelictiogar]

Yep no sympathy for Carlton, just like no one would have any sympathy for Essendon if we were smashed because of the saga.

You reap what you sow.

To have sympathy for Essendon would be simple bad taste.

As for sympathy for Carlton....hell no. I'm a Richmond fan. Come back in 20 years Blueboys and maybe you can get in the queue for sympathy.

In the meantime man up and prepare for year after year of turgid bottom 4 rubbish....just like us since we are little better but we are utterly immune to the horror by now. Richmond has been through the dark night of the soul. Welcome to our world.

 

[giantsully]

I don't really disagree, but the guys you mentioned there are typically the players that Mick actually seems to like. They're honest triers and are probably the ones that are in the good camp as far as effort and attitude on the field goes.

They're really just (or should be) role players and/or depth, which could be okay as bottom six type players in a better team, but in a team like ours they're relied upon to do a lot more heavy lifting instead of just playing a role as support to much better players in a better and balanced list.

Our list as a whole currently has too many of those types of players, leaving us a tad slow and unskilled versus a half-decent AFL side. Add in the problems across the board with attitude and consistent effort (looking at you Bryce Gibbs, for one), culture etc and it's a recipe for the failure we're seeing at the moment I guess.

Fair enough, reasonable comments - I was thinking those types of players tend to be younger with some upside in improvement - I don't see that in the players mentioned. But it was probably harsh to focus on those guys when it was really the leaders of the club that failed to stand up.

 

[cammo78]

I have absolutely no problem sticking the boots in at any opportunity.

The sheer arrogance of this organisation and those associated with it has been nothing short of staggering. This is an attitude mirrored, in my experience, by a majority of their supporters. We're Carlton - **** the rest. Pfft. Not anymore kids.

To see them be the worst performed club (bar the new ones) of the current century, with what I perceive to be the worst list in the game and a coach who is a dead man walking, pleases me no end. I take a perverse pleasure in it, in fact.

The chickens have well and truly come home to roost. This club is a parody of the successful, strong club it once was. At every turn, there's another **** up. Take Edelsten on Friday night. I cannot imagine ANY other club rubber stamping that. The lunatics truly are running the asylum at Princes Park.

As for John Elliott's "tragic history" diatribe - that right there is evidence of the existence of karma for mine.

Bugger them. Let them rot at the foot of the ladder for another decade.

 

[pinot]

I am proud to see The Dark Navy Blues can still stir so much hate!

As 150 year arse rubbings must be an arse sore now.

 

[fishardansin]

I don't.

Thrawn is right, there's a problem with Carlton's culture. That is, Carlton dominated the VFL for 100 years because its winning culture was based on buying the best players, and exploiting where it could exploit to stay on top.

Analyse Carlton since the launch of the AFL as a national competition, with professional management and equalisation.

They were competitive in the 1990s because they had a president who flaunted the new AFL system, hated equalisation, and thought he could keep on buying players and officials to ensure they remained on top. They eventually got busted and punished for it, but John Elliott till today is unapologetic, and still believes in the 'old VFL system' where Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon and Richmond ruled. He hated equalisation, he didn't want to play fairly, and although it's been many years since he left, his legacy still lingers in the way Carlton is run.

Carlton still thinks it can win flags by buying (what they perceive to be) the best players (Judd) and coaches (Malthouse). It has no concept of development, and is so far behind the pack in the elite standards of top AFL teams set by the likes of Hawthorn, Collingwood, Geelong, Sydney, Adelaide, Freo etc.

Let them rot, I'll take 12 goal drubbings of Carlton every day of the week.

This is the truth. I think that Sylvani's role at the club is to turn that around though.

I'd also say that giving up a gun KPF was stupid. Also using nearly all the top picks on outside mids was a mistake. Kruezer being injured so much is just bad luck. However, there needed to be more big bodied mids and KPPs.

If Carlton had have traded Fev out at the end of 07 rather than trading Judd in they would be a very different list now. Josh Kennedy would be there and they probably would have picked up Hurley the following year. Then Knights coached Essendon started beating Carlton despite Carlton being higher rated with fast run and carry. So Ratts seemed to go out of his way to get speed on his list and continued to ignore the big body mids and KPPs.

For so many years Carlton hasn't really been a club just a bunch of mercenaries with supporters. So it's not surprise that they've taken a long time to adjust. Carlton finds it hard to accept that it takes a long time and even then is a gamble. St Kilda built a good list but never won a flag. I think Essendon and North have gone about a rebuild the right way but almost certainly wont win a flag with these lists. Port are there and about but have put less time into it than those two. A bit of luck comes into it. However, so much stupidity makes no success a certainty.

 

[Mr.X]

What's really depressing is what was written in the OP many years ago still applies today

 

[H2F]

What's really depressing is what was written in the OP many years ago still applies today

Hey that Richmond account you had (forget the guys name) was hilarious.

Where did that go?

 

[Footy 1st]

I am proud to see The Dark Navy Blues can still stir so much hate!

As 150 year arse rubbings must be an arse sore now.

First sentence ok.
Second sentence you said arse twice and rubbings. What?

 

[Blue1980]

I have absolutely no problem sticking the boots in at any opportunity.

The sheer arrogance of this organisation and those associated with it has been nothing short of staggering. This is an attitude mirrored, in my experience, by a majority of their supporters. We're Carlton - **** the rest. Pfft. Not anymore kids.

To see them be the worst performed club (bar the new ones) of the current century, with what I perceive to be the worst list in the game and a coach who is a dead man walking, pleases me no end. I take a perverse pleasure in it, in fact.

The chickens have well and truly come home to roost. This club is a parody of the successful, strong club it once was. At every turn, there's another **** up. Take Edelsten on Friday night. I cannot imagine ANY other club rubber stamping that. The lunatics truly are running the asylum at Princes Park.

As for John Elliott's "tragic history" diatribe - that right there is evidence of the existence of karma for mine.

Bugger them. Let them rot at the foot of the ladder for another decade.

Fair enough, what goes around comes around.


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[GetDimmaBack]

I am proud to see The Dark Navy Blues can still stir so much hate!

As 150 year arse rubbings must be an arse sore now.

Ha ha

Might have meant something twenty years ago, but now...

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Hey that Richmond account you had (forget the guys name) was hilarious.

Where did that go?

I remember that!

Was he called Peter something?

Biggest troll ever on BF

 

[gaelictiogar]

I have absolutely no problem sticking the boots in at any opportunity.

The sheer arrogance of this organisation and those associated with it has been nothing short of staggering. This is an attitude mirrored, in my experience, by a majority of their supporters. We're Carlton - **** the rest. Pfft. Not anymore kids.

To see them be the worst performed club (bar the new ones) of the current century, with what I perceive to be the worst list in the game and a coach who is a dead man walking, pleases me no end. I take a perverse pleasure in it, in fact.

The chickens have well and truly come home to roost. This club is a parody of the successful, strong club it once was. At every turn, there's another **** up. Take Edelsten on Friday night. I cannot imagine ANY other club rubber stamping that. The lunatics truly are running the asylum at Princes Park.

As for John Elliott's "tragic history" diatribe - that right there is evidence of the existence of karma for mine.

Bugger them. Let them rot at the foot of the ladder for another decade.

A thoughtful and infinitely supportable appraisal of the situation at Tankton Town Cammo. Spot on.

 

[Kappa]

I am proud to see The Dark Navy Blues can still stir so much hate!

As 150 year arse rubbings must be an arse sore now.

It's evolving into pity.

A once great club to be feared, now a club to be laughed at.

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[gaelictiogar]

It's evolving into pity.

A once great club to be feared, now a club to be laughed at.

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Even their most hated status has gone now that the Bumblers have put their hands up for that accolade in such spectacular fashion.

Less despised than Essendon and even more woefully inept onfield than Richmond ( almost unimaginable but true ) the Blue carcrash lurches into being an object not of scorn but indifference.

 

[cammo78]

Fair enough, what goes around comes around.


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And hasn't it come around...

 

[Blue1980]

As pitiful as we are we have made finals as many times in the last 6 years as Richmond have in 33, with as many finals wins.

Also won finals more recently than Essendon.

We are at a low ebb, but it's not like other big Victorian clubs have been immune.


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[chunkylover53]

“I felt in my time at Carlton there was always a number of players that weren’t really driven for team success, they were more concerned with just getting a game or getting another contract,” said Judd on SEN’s Crunch Time.

Someone give this guy a mirror.

He hasn't lead or pushed those around him to excel. Last night his efforts away from the ball were just as bad as any of the other blokes out there in a Carlton jumper.

Taking the ****ing piss aren't you mate?

Judd is the only player to give his all week in, week out. He still cops the number 1 tagger and had an ordinary night Friday night. After being our best every time he played.

He did everything he could to influence the group of no-hopers. He single-handedly got us to finals and won them for us.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Yeah lol at Richmond and Essendon supporters, we're still better than you over the last decade even with everything we've struggled through.

The current state of the Carlton Football Club is horrible, but we're still better than that awful list down at Punt Road or the drug cheats up at Windy Hill.

 

[Blue1980]

Yeah lol at Richmond and Essendon supporters, we're still better than you over the last decade even with everything we've struggled through.

The current state of the Carlton Football Club is horrible, but we're still better than that awful list down at Punt Road or the drug cheats up at Windy Hill.

It may change over the next couple of years but at this current moment that is true.

I'm actually quite certain we will be bottom 4 for the next 3 years (including this year)


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[chunkylover53]

Yeah lol at Richmond and Essendon supporters, we're still better than you over the last decade even with everything we've struggled through.

The current state of the Carlton Football Club is horrible, but we're still better than that awful list down at Punt Road or the drug cheats up at Windy Hill.

Meh.

We've accepted we're shit and will launch into a rebuild. Essendon and Richmond will linger around finals for the next 3 years or so - can't see either of them winning a flag though.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Taking the ******* piss aren't you mate?

Judd is the only player to give his all week in, week out. He still cops the number 1 tagger and had an ordinary night Friday night. After being our best every time he played.

He did everything he could to influence the group of no-hopers. He single-handedly got us to finals and won them for us.

Judd plays smart. He knows how to get the ball at a stoppage, but his work away from stoppages is pretty poor these days, and his leadership is questionable.

On Friday night I watched him specifically to see what he was doing or saying to his teammates in order to get more out of them when they didn't have the ball, and he looked as uninterested in demanding more of them as Gibbs did in getting a tackle next to his name. He was also going at about half rat power for most of the night, and even more so when Carlton did not have the ball.

For him to come out and pot others in the jumper, when he wasn't exactly busting his arse the night prior was very poor.

 

[Seadog]

Judd plays smart. He knows how to get the ball at a stoppage, but his work away from stoppages is pretty poor these days, and his leadership is questionable.

On Friday night I watched him specifically to see what he was doing or saying to his teammates in order to get more out of them when they didn't have the ball, and he looked as uninterested in demanding more of them as Gibbs did in getting a tackle next to his name. He was also going at about half rat power for most of the night, and even more so when Carlton did not have the ball.

For him to come out and pot others in the jumper, when he wasn't exactly busting his arse the night prior was very poor.

Probably come to the realization he should have retired last year. It's like smashing your head against a brick wall, it's nice when you stop.
He's stopped.

 

[keepzitreal]

[QUOTE="
Is a single PP worth destroying our soul over?[/QUOTE]

Think you destroyed your soul when Sticks axed Ratts in favor of Mick.